Becoming a donor is supposed to be a charitable thing you do out of the kindness of your heart. Not something you are forced to do because of a legal obligation. By your logic, everyone should also have to give blood in order to receive blood transplants. People have a right to keep their body the way they want it. I am uncomfortable with the idea of having my organs harvested for medical reasons. It's just a personal issue. Why should I be denied an organ transplant just because of this?voorhees123 said:They would be on donor list but would be unable to donate. Way i see it is if you are unwilling to donate your organs, why should you be allowed to have someone else's?Madara XIII said:voorhees123 said:If you are not a donor then you are not allowed to receive donor organs. Seems fair to me. Why can't that not be a law? Maybe they should make everyone a donor by law, but you have to opt out. If you decide you do not want to donate, then you are screwed if you need a transplant.![]()
What about people who can't donate organs due to their frail state or failing? Should we deny them an organ?
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah NO. There's a reason BS like this isn't implemented. Honestly let people decide how to distribute THEIR body parts.
That sounds expensive. I think that indifference is probably what stops people from signing up so it would probably stop them from opting out. I donate blood because it just requires me to be in a certain place once every 16 weeks. Organ donation means I need to fill out paperwork!Trivun said:You know what i think? I reckon that everyone in the country (UK here) should automatically be made an organ donor from birth, as a legal requirement. Then, they can opt-out later if they wish to do so, but only if they can provide proper reasonable justification to a judging panel that they shouldn't have their organs donated. Obviously anyone with medical conditions preventing them from donating shouldn't be put on the list at all, but that's seperate. That way, we drastically reduce the waiting lists for organs as there are plenty more people who are donors by default, and we can still make allowances for those with good reason not to donate. Then everyone wins!
The problem with that myth is that any doctor who's prepared to kill to harvest organs is probably not going to care if they don't have a card saying they can.Mackheath said:No. But you are a hypocrit.
To be honest I think organ donation should be an opt-out scheme, rather than opt in; most people don't sign up due to sheer laziness, or because they are paranoid about urban myths where doctors harvest them for organs alive.
screaming, naked, bald, slimy and inside your mother?Celtic_Kerr said:I'd like to leave the world the same way I entered it, and to be hoenst
You took the words out of my mouth.Trivun said:You're not evil, but you are somewhat selfish. You'd be willing to take someone else's organ when you need it, but you don't want to give yours away after you die and have no further use for them? Aside from religious reasons, I can see no justification for that, given the organs will be useless to you when you die but could prove to be very useful for someone else...
You know what i think? I reckon that everyone in the country (UK here) should automatically be made an organ donor from birth, as a legal requirement. Then, they can opt-out later if they wish to do so, but only if they can provide proper reasonable justification to a judging panel that they shouldn't have their organs donated. Obviously anyone with medical conditions preventing them from donating shouldn't be put on the list at all, but that's seperate. That way, we drastically reduce the waiting lists for organs as there are plenty more people who are donors by default, and we can still make allowances for those with good reason not to donate. Then everyone wins!
Last time I checked, there's an opt-in option right on the back of your driver's lisence. Just put your signature there and you're good to go.Aeriath said:That sounds expensive. I think that indifference is probably what stops people from signing up so it would probably stop them from opting out. I donate blood because it just requires me to be in a certain place once every 16 weeks. Organ donation means I need to fill out paperwork!Trivun said:You know what i think? I reckon that everyone in the country (UK here) should automatically be made an organ donor from birth, as a legal requirement. Then, they can opt-out later if they wish to do so, but only if they can provide proper reasonable justification to a judging panel that they shouldn't have their organs donated. Obviously anyone with medical conditions preventing them from donating shouldn't be put on the list at all, but that's seperate. That way, we drastically reduce the waiting lists for organs as there are plenty more people who are donors by default, and we can still make allowances for those with good reason not to donate. Then everyone wins!
Then you havn't read all my posts. Take a look back and see the one where I basically say "Natural decomposition is natural. Being sliced upen my surgeons ans systematically taken apart and scavenged for my good parts is desecration in my mind". Whether they cut me open or not, I decompose. It's the artifical addition of having your body pulled apart that turns me offajemas said:"A desecration of your body"? Have you seen what happens after you die? Natural decomposers break down every part of your corpse. It becomes bloated and disgusting, as every single body system and organ gets slowly consumed and degraded. Believe me, if you've really looked at a decaying corpse, you'd realize that giving an organ is far less of a desecration than normal decomposition.Celtic_Kerr said:I don't know to be honest, I've asked myself that a few times, and each time I come up thinking it would feel like a certain desecration of my body. I'd like to leave the world the same way I entered it, and to be hoenst, I'd prefer to die of an organ failure than to have someone's organs used to keep me alive.archvile93 said:What do you care if someones taking your organs, you'll be dead?Celtic_Kerr said:I'm an avid believer in "You get what you give"
If I need help, I wouldn't expect an organ to be given to me, as I have not signed an organ donor card, but if they wish and do give me an organ then I'd be fine with it, I just don't really expect it.
I suppose if ever someone's organ does save me I'll sign the card
Fully intact and all my proper parts in placeGrinningManiac said:screaming, naked, bald, slimy and inside your mother?Celtic_Kerr said:I'd like to leave the world the same way I entered it, and to be hoenst
Eugh
OT: Not evil at all. I'm not a donor, though I haven't given it much thought. Dosen't really cocern me, which I guess is a LITTLE short-sighted...
I don't think I can judge you solely off of those things.ayuri said:I'm not a donor, a ,a soldier, a doctor or charitable. do you think any less of me.
This post kinda reeks of asshole. You expect to be given an organ from someone else if you need the help, and when fully capable of doing the same, you say that you "Think it's an uncomfortable" idea. The difference between me and you is that sure, I don't want to give my organs away, and I would probably deny an organ transplant. However, if they gave me one and I lived, i's sign my donor card and "return the favor" to another.Internet Kraken said:Becoming a donor is supposed to be a charitable thing you do out of the kindness of your heart. Not something you are forced to do because of a legal obligation. By your logic, everyone should also have to give blood in order to receive blood transplants. People have a right to keep their body the way they want it. I am uncomfortable with the idea of having my organs harvested for medical reasons. It's just a personal issue. Why should I be denied an organ transplant just because of this?voorhees123 said:They would be on donor list but would be unable to donate. Way i see it is if you are unwilling to donate your organs, why should you be allowed to have someone else's?Madara XIII said:voorhees123 said:If you are not a donor then you are not allowed to receive donor organs. Seems fair to me. Why can't that not be a law? Maybe they should make everyone a donor by law, but you have to opt out. If you decide you do not want to donate, then you are screwed if you need a transplant.![]()
What about people who can't donate organs due to their frail state or failing? Should we deny them an organ?
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah NO. There's a reason BS like this isn't implemented. Honestly let people decide how to distribute THEIR body parts.
Honestly, the idea of forcing people to have their bodies cut open when they die just seems wrong.