I have proven that God exists

[Oldmanwillow]

about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

A cat in a radioactive box does not constitute concrete proof.

/thread.

This sir is made of win. The cat is alive i tell you ALIVE.

 

[domble]

about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

A cat in a radioactive box does not constitute concrete proof.

I'm not sure I understand the reference...

I did hear somewhere that every action or inaction creates an alternate universe, or something along those lines.

No, but because our universe has such a small chance of existing, that if just about anything was different nothing could exist. For example, if protons were .02% times heavier, they would destabilize and all atoms would cease to exist. The presence of "dark matter" always provides a lot of evidence towards the multiverse theory.

In short, their are two explanation on how we exist by looking at it on that level:
1) A benevolent creator.
2) Multiverse theory.

I read a paper about it the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

But if there are indeed an infinite number of universes, probability wouldn't have much effect. There are an infinite number of chances for our universe to go ahead, too.

lol my babbling has reached it's limits, i'm afraid.

 

[GoldenCondor]

No, you have not proven a god exists.

 

[domble]

about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

A cat in a radioactive box does not constitute concrete proof.

The box wasn't radioactive, the gas was.

Anyways, what proof i there, we only hypothesized there can be, Physics will always be theory thanks to the impossibility of seeing anything past the molecular level.

lol I need to reiterate that this WAS IN NO WAY ANYTHING TO DO WITH SUBSTANCES WHICH HAD ENTERED MY BODY.

The idea just stuck with me for some reason, I don't feel I can discuss it face to face with anyone cos they'll think I'm mad.

No, it's a physics joke based off of Schroedinger's "cat puzzle".

lol i will look it up in the morning

 

[Sacman]

God isn't a creature that can manipulate things on a molecular level that I believe is an alchemist. God is supposed to be an all powerful, perfect creator of the universe. personally I believe God does exist but only because hes is an omnipresant being created and given power by the minds that conceive him. in other words God only exists and has power because people believe he does the same way Peter Pan can fly...

 

[Ph0t0n1c Ph34r]

Well, if you believe that M-Theory is credible, then you are probably right. I find the whole "P-Branes" part of M-Theory esoteric, but you do raise a valid point.

 

[USSR]

You can't suplex what isn't real.

Spoiler

But Harry Potter is a fictional character o.o..

 

[cuddly_tomato]

about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

A cat in a radioactive box does not constitute concrete proof.

I'm not sure I understand the reference...

I did hear somewhere that every action or inaction creates an alternate universe, or something along those lines.

No, but because our universe has such a small chance of existing, that if just about anything was different nothing could exist. For example, if protons were .02% times heavier, they would destabilize and all atoms would cease to exist. The presence of "dark matter" always provides a lot of evidence towards the multiverse theory.

In short, their are two explanation on how we exist by looking at it on that level:
1) A benevolent creator.
2) Multiverse theory.

I read an article about it the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

snip

You should read my post. I'll really try to find that article.

I have a problem with this because I really can't see how that chance has been calculated. We have one example for the creation of a universe, and we are completely uncertain of how that universe came into being. If you were to try to determine the most popular food on earth, and you did it by asking one single person what it was, the answer you would get would be worthless as there are just so many variables that would forever be unknown. Even if the 'how' of the universe is determined, it wouldn't really tell us about the chances of such an event occuring. We would need to collect a lot of statistical data from other universes being created.

My sense is that it will remain a mystery, but that won't stop humans from trying to unravel it.

 

[Sark]

When you finally open the box with the cat, it will empty, as it got tired of getting irradiated and not irradiated.

Edit: In an infinite universe anyting that can happen will happen, or is likely to. Although, what part of a creature that can manipulate matter at that level is even probable? If you view this phenomena as impossible, it will never happen, despite the size of the universe.

 

[Archemetis]

I don't know about the proving of "God's" existance, but the multiverse theory has always intrigued me.

And I supposed, the idea of opposite dimensions in which all things become inverted would be a possiblity within the idea of the Multiverse.

Thus, if a God fails to exist in one universe/dimension then it would stand to reason he would exist in at least one other universe/dimension.

But as for this world, he is still an unproven rumour more than anything else.

 

[Berethond]

No, you have not proven a god exists.

Of course gods exist.
<quote=Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary>
3 : a person or thing of supreme value
4 : a powerful ruler
I can think of multiple gods.

 

[GoldenCondor]

No, you have not proven a god exists.

Of course gods exist.
<quote=Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary>
3 : a person or thing of supreme value
4 : a powerful ruler
I can think of multiple gods.

Let me fix that for myself.

You have not proven that the god mentioned in the bible exists.

 

[Berethond]

about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

A cat in a radioactive box does not constitute concrete proof.

I'm not sure I understand the reference...

I did hear somewhere that every action or inaction creates an alternate universe, or something along those lines.

No, but because our universe has such a small chance of existing, that if just about anything was different nothing could exist. For example, if protons were .02% times heavier, they would destabilize and all atoms would cease to exist. The presence of "dark matter" always provides a lot of evidence towards the multiverse theory.

In short, their are two explanation on how we exist by looking at it on that level:
1) A benevolent creator.
2) Multiverse theory.

I read an article about it the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

snip

You should read my post. I'll really try to find that article.

I have a problem with this because I really can't see how that chance has been calculated. We have one example for the creation of a universe, and we are completely uncertain of how that universe came into being. If you were to try to determine the most popular food on earth, and you did it by asking one single person what it was, the answer you would get would be worthless as there are just so many variables that would forever be unknown. Even if the 'how' of the universe is determined, it wouldn't really tell us about the chances of such an event occuring. We would need to collect a lot of statistical data from other universes being created.

My sense is that it will remain a mystery, but that won't stop humans from trying to unravel it.

That is really the main argument against multiverse theory.
And it really is true, we can't know and never will. That's why it's just a theory, not a law. There's no real way to argue for it either way yet. There may be in the future, but there really isn't now.

 

[Sacman]

How about this?
If there were no God, there would be no atheists.
The point is that humans can create nothing. To create means to make from nothing or nothingness. We can't do that, even in our own heads. Try it now. Invent a color based on no other color in existence. Invent a sound or a type of animal. Can't do it? We need a frame of reference or a base to build from. So if there were no God, what could we build our belief in one from? Hmm? An immortal, all-powerful and all-wise being. What frame of reference do we have?

I don't know if you get my point or not.

one of my favorite philosiphers once said Cogito Ergo Sum or I think therefore I am meaning that the only reason something exists is simply because we believe it to exist he also states that he believes that his senses are false meaning that everything he can possibly perseive is a lie but he also says that if nothing truly exists for certain than does he exist the conclusion he comes to is that he must exist simply because he is thinking and the mind is the only truth that noone can possibly prove is wrong. then of course the mind created the senses which created the world which u see touch smell and taste which means what u said "the human mind cannot create without a frame of refrence" is not true because the human mind has created everything u think feel and see around you including this omnipresent being known as God...

 

[Berethond]

No, you have not proven a god exists.

Of course gods exist.
<quote=Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary>
3 : a person or thing of supreme value
4 : a powerful ruler
I can think of multiple gods.

Let me fix that for myself.

You have not proven that the god mentioned in the bible exists.

Thank you. Say what you mean, why don't'cha!

 

[domble]

No, you have not proven a god exists.

Of course gods exist.
<quote=Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary>
3 : a person or thing of supreme value
4 : a powerful ruler
I can think of multiple gods.

Let me fix that for myself.

You have not proven that the god mentioned in the bible exists.

God in the bible de facto cannot exist.

The bible teaches that the only thing worse than an evil man is a good man who does nothing. God has the power to stop any kind of evil, but he doesn't.
By his own doctrine, God is an evil being, therefore not capable of being the god in the bible.

Also whilst NOT ON ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES. lol

 

[Booze Zombie]

If God doesn't exist in this dimension, I fail to see how it created this dimension.
Further more, what creature from another dimension created God and what created that and what created that and...?

 

[ddq5]

By definition, a truly omnipotent God would be able to traverse multiple universes. Thus, assuming both that your reasoning is correct (a risky assumption, I believe) and that there are, in fact, multiple dimensions, if God existed in one universe, He would have to exist in all universes. There's no telling where this sort of reasoning could lead, infinite gods, things like that. Basically, I think you're making some pretty big logical jumps. Though I agree with your conclusion, your method of reaching it is questionable at best.

Also, whoever said that proving God exists proves that He doesn't exist, wasn't that from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?

 

[crudus]

Sorry for the sensationalist title, but I really want to discuss this idea I've had.

I was thinking[footnote]These thoughts were in no way aided by ANY illegal substance. Honest.[/footnote] about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

This means that anything that can happen will happen.
Statistically speaking, doesn't this mean that there must be a God? Or at least something approximately the same?
I mean God is, what, a creature that can manipulate matter at the molecular level?
It would also mean that every religion is the right one.

I'm not a religious man, I don't really mind if there's a God or not. But I just think it's something worth wondering about.

What do you all think?

Well, using that logic I am this "God" fellow at some point. However, why does it matter if they are not in this one? That is like wondering if the weather on Eris is favorable for your summer home.