I have proven that God exists

[Supreme Unleaded]

That is definitely one way to look at it lol.

seconded

Certainly undeniable. But someone has yet to prove he exists in this dimension!

also seconded.

Untill there is proof that he still exists in this demention and that alternate universes are acually proven, like proven not a theory, then i remain a objective athiest (or something like that, i can't remeber the real term).

Agnostic? Lol i remember it from hot fuzz.

Thats probably it but i swear it was a differnt word.

 

[GrimTuesday]

This really doesn't prove anything, other than that you are rather good at hypothesising that which has already been thought of. And besides, if there is a god, it certainly didn't write the Bible, because that would make it a ne'er-do-well who just adores contradictions, and we can't have that.

 

[domble]

By definition, a truly omnipotent God would be able to traverse multiple universes. Thus, assuming both that your reasoning is correct (a risky assumption, I believe) and that there are, in fact, multiple dimensions, if God existed in one universe, He would have to exist in all universes. There's no telling where this sort of reasoning could lead, infinite gods, things like that. Basically, I think you're making some pretty big logical jumps. Though I agree with your conclusion, your method of reaching it is questionable at best.

Also, whoever said that proving God exists proves that He doesn't exist, wasn't that from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?

I believe a wise philosopher once said "... science so soft you could spread it on a croissant."

I believe that applies here, I really just intended it for something to be thought about lol, I mean it's not like I presented it in a particularly serious way.

 

[mokes310]

Interesting theory, but I believe the argument goes back to who/what/how the universe and all existence was created. Any and all parallel universes/dimensions would thusly revert back to that initial question/problem.

 

[Contun]

This is an interesting way to think about it indeed....

 

[Silver Scribbler]

I'm not sure I understand the reference...

I did hear somewhere that every action or inaction creates an alternate universe, or something along those lines.

Schrodinger's cat [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat#The_thought_experiment], which is the only thing I can think of that comes even close to proving this sort of idea.

Edit:URl tag failed....

As far as I am aware, Shrodinger's cat has nothing to do with alternate dimensions. It is merely the idea that an object/particle/whatever can be thought of as existing in two different states at the same time.

Man I hate quantum physics.

 

[Kuchinawa212]

hmm good point. I suppose this puts a twist on things. Ohhh wait if there was a god then in another universe wouldn't there be an anti god to destroy him or something

 

[JohnSmith]

Funnily enough your theory disproves a creationist or even interventionist god affecting our universe. Furthermore the possible number of alternate universes is a pure math theory, with no empirical evidence.

 

[ddq5]

By definition, a truly omnipotent God would be able to traverse multiple universes. Thus, assuming both that your reasoning is correct (a risky assumption, I believe) and that there are, in fact, multiple dimensions, if God existed in one universe, He would have to exist in all universes. There's no telling where this sort of reasoning could lead, infinite gods, things like that. Basically, I think you're making some pretty big logical jumps. Though I agree with your conclusion, your method of reaching it is questionable at best.

Also, whoever said that proving God exists proves that He doesn't exist, wasn't that from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?

I believe a wise philosopher once said "... science so soft you could spread it on a croissant."

I believe that applies here, I really just intended it for something to be thought about lol, I mean it's not like I presented it in a particularly serious way.

Which, again, poses the question of why religion threads keep popping up on a gaming website...

 

[archvile93]

No, the key word in "anything that can happen will happen" is can. God is supposedly omnipotent which can not happen, therefore it will not happen.

 

[DarkLordofDevon]

Sorry for the sensationalist title, but I really want to discuss this idea I've had.
Just for the record, I don't believe I'm now the major philosopher of our time lol. This is really just something to think about.

I was thinking about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

This means that anything that can happen will happen.
Statistically speaking, doesn't this mean that there must be a God? Or at least something approximately the same?
I mean God is, what, a creature that can manipulate matter at the molecular level?
It would also mean that every religion is the right one.

I'm not a religious man, I don't really mind if there's a God or not. But I just think it's something worth wondering about.

What do you all think?

Wrong, some events have a quantum probability of 0 because due to the laws of physics it is impossible. EG - I never have or will spontaneously develop super powers. Reason? Whilst it is a possible event that could concievably occur, it is an effect without a cause. There is no possible cause that could transpire that could cause this event, hence the event, whilst being theoretical possibility, infact has a quantum probability of 0, hence never occurs.

I realised this myself recently, when dealing with the problem of impossible events in an infinite number of parallel universes. If it cannot occur within the laws of physics, it cannot occur. Ever. God does not follow the laws of physics. Ergo, god does not exist.

Whilst there may be beings of higher intelligence that created us, there is no all powerful god. Any creator must have a beginning and end like all other life in this universe, and is bound by the same laws. It cannot increase the speed of light. It cannot change the past due to paradoxes. It is a powerful being, true, but not a god.

 

[dls182]

Sorry for the sensationalist title, but I really want to discuss this idea I've had.

I was thinking[footnote]These thoughts were in no way aided by ANY illegal substance. Honest.[/footnote] about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

This means that anything that can happen will happen.
Statistically speaking, doesn't this mean that there must be a God? Or at least something approximately the same?
I mean God is, what, a creature that can manipulate matter at the molecular level?
It would also mean that every religion is the right one.

I'm not a religious man, I don't really mind if there's a God or not. But I just think it's something worth wondering about.

What do you all think?

If you prove God exists, then therefore he cannot exist. For proof denies faith, and without faith he is nothing. Q.E.D.

Someone's a Hitchhiker fan... =D

 

[domble]

By definition, a truly omnipotent God would be able to traverse multiple universes. Thus, assuming both that your reasoning is correct (a risky assumption, I believe) and that there are, in fact, multiple dimensions, if God existed in one universe, He would have to exist in all universes. There's no telling where this sort of reasoning could lead, infinite gods, things like that. Basically, I think you're making some pretty big logical jumps. Though I agree with your conclusion, your method of reaching it is questionable at best.

Also, whoever said that proving God exists proves that He doesn't exist, wasn't that from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?

I believe a wise philosopher once said "... science so soft you could spread it on a croissant."

I believe that applies here, I really just intended it for something to be thought about lol, I mean it's not like I presented it in a particularly serious way.

Which, again, poses the question of why religion threads keep popping up on a gaming website...

and if i put it under "gaming discussion" there might be a problem, yes.

Like i said this is just an idea that came to me and i wanted to discuss it, I'm sorry if i've offended you in any way.

 

[TheGreatCoolEnergy]

about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

Realy? because last time I checked, that was just a theory.

 

[Berethond]

Sorry for the sensationalist title, but I really want to discuss this idea I've had.
Just for the record, I don't believe I'm now the major philosopher of our time lol. This is really just something to think about.

I was thinking about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

This means that anything that can happen will happen.
Statistically speaking, doesn't this mean that there must be a God? Or at least something approximately the same?
I mean God is, what, a creature that can manipulate matter at the molecular level?
It would also mean that every religion is the right one.

I'm not a religious man, I don't really mind if there's a God or not. But I just think it's something worth wondering about.

What do you all think?

Wrong, some events have a quantum probability of 0 because due to the laws of physics it is impossible. EG - I never have or will spontaneously develop super powers. Reason? Whilst it is a possible event that could concievably occur, it is an effect without a cause. There is no possible cause that could transpire that could cause this event, hence the event, whilst being theoretical possibility, infact has a quantum probability of 0, hence never occurs.

I realised this myself recently, when dealing with the problem of impossible events in an infinite number of parallel universes. If it cannot occur within the laws of physics, it cannot occur. Ever. God does not follow the laws of physics. Ergo, god does not exist.

Whilst there may be beings of higher intelligence that created us, there is no all powerful god. Any creator must have a beginning and end like all other life in this universe, and is bound by the same laws. It cannot increase the speed of light. It cannot change the past due to paradoxes. It is a powerful being, true, but not a god.

No, because according to multi-verse theory each universe will have its own physics.

Second and third paragraphs are good, though.

 

[riskroWe]

Multiverse theory is a load of nonsense.
I mean if it's not in our universe, in what sense can you justify saying that it 'exists'?

 

[ddq5]

Like i said this is just an idea that came to me and i wanted to discuss it, I'm sorry if i've offended you in any way.

Not at all. I'm not very easily offended, unless it involves the Jonas Brothers. It's an interesting idea either way.

 

[Clashero]

Sorry for the sensationalist title, but I really want to discuss this idea I've had.

-Edit, from here on I've changed the post slightly as it came across a bit more serious than I intended. Sorry guys, this really is just something I intended people to have a bit fun with -

Just for the record, I don't believe I'm now the major philosopher of our time lol. This is really just something to think about.

I was thinking[footnote]These thoughts were in no way aided by ANY illegal substance. Honest.[/footnote] about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

This means that anything that can happen will happen.
Statistically speaking, doesn't this mean that there must be a God? Or at least something approximately the same?
I mean God is, what, a creature that can manipulate matter at the molecular level?
It would also mean that every religion is the right one.

I'm not a religious man, I don't really mind if there's a God or not. But I just think it's something worth wondering about.

What do you all think?

God is not a creature.

 

[danosaurus]

When did we prove there's an unlimited amount of alternate universes? I mean, it's an interesting theory, but I don't think we've proved it...

This.

 

[Cap'n Haddock]

Sorry for the sensationalist title, but I really want to discuss this idea I've had.
-edit, from here on I've changed the post slightly, it was a bit more serious than I intended. Sorry guys-
Just for the record, I don't believe I'm now the major philosopher of our time lol. This is really just something to think about.

I was thinking[footnote]These thoughts were in no way aided by ANY illegal substance. Honest.[/footnote] about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

This means that anything that can happen will happen.
Statistically speaking, doesn't this mean that there must be a God? Or at least something approximately the same?
I mean God is, what, a creature that can manipulate matter at the molecular level?
It would also mean that every religion is the right one.

I'm not a religious man, I don't really mind if there's a God or not. But I just think it's something worth wondering about.

What do you all think?

Those infinite universes all play by the same laws of physics and reality that we obey.
In the frame of infinite universes a God would only exist to our minds if we ourselves can prove that it can accomplish anything in our physical plane.
The definition of God disproves itself in twofold.

As an omnipotent being God should be able to accomplish all things, with all meaning an infinite number. Since we could only prove the existence of God by proving that every task he accomplishes is possible in the physical plane it is thus impossible for us to say if God exists or not, since we cannot comprehend infinity, much less define the validity of an infinite number of tasks.

God's omnipotence is also shattered by that superlative moniker itself.
If god is all powerful could he create a rock large enough that he could not lift it? if the answer is yes, then god is not all powerful because he cannot lift the rock. If the answer is no then god is not all powerful because he cannot create the rock. If our definition of a God is something or someone who can accomplish anything, then whatever that is it is not a God because it cannot accomplish anything.