I have proven that God exists

[Cliff_m85]

Imagine for a moment that you are in a room. This room has two tables, you are seated at one. Next to you is a gun that has a powerful sedative. You are a crack shot, unable to miss a target you aim at.

Across the room is another table with a child, about 6 years old, playing with trucks. A man of about 65 sits next to him, playing along with him. As you watch, you see the man look around. He quickly grabs the child and throws him on the table, starting to undo his pants. You absolutely know that this man will try to do something sexual with the child. There's absolutely no doubt.

Do you pick up the gun and shoot him? What would you think of the person who didn't do anything and just let the kid get raped?

That person, who would just let it happen, would be god (if he were to exist).

Just a little gedunken. Why worship something that doesn't feel it's necessary to prevent such an action? Free will is not a valid answer because the child isn't very 'free', is he?

 

[Assassin Xaero]

There is no way to prove or disprove god, along with many other things (big foot, santa, easter bunny, FSM, IPU, etc.), just like there is no way to prove or disprove that this is all just a dream...

 

[iJosh]

Don't do religion threads. They are generally looked down upon, and have a good chance of devolving into a flame war.
I don't really know if there is a god, and personally, I don't particularly care. If there is, I'll repent and get into heaven, and if there isn't, I'll cease to exist. It doesn't really matter in my eyes. Although, I guess you could be right.

Words out of my mouth. This is exactly what I think.

 

[Turtleboy1017]

I don't believe in alternate universes. There really isnt any proof for it, in the sense you could use the same evidence to claim "aliens must have done this."

Which would make you a Scientologist, and thus, wrong.

Well, what about the concept of time? Prove me wrong, but if I'm correct time has no beginning and has no end. Doesn't that mean that everything that COULD happen, has already happened before, in the distant, distant past? I don't believe in a God, but if everything that could ever happen has already happened, this would mean that perhaps a figure like God has appeared before.

 

[Maze1125]

Prove me wrong, but if I'm correct time has no beginning and has no end. Doesn't that mean that everything that COULD happen, has already happened before, in the distant, distant past?

No.
The universe changes over time, this means that something can be possible without being certain.

In fact, provided the probabilty generaly decreases over time, you can have an event that has positive probabilty for all time, yet might still never happen.

 

[mattseffect]

Well, there are certain things that ARE impossible. Like, a living breathing sentient stone golem with HNO3 for blood that shoots nuclear rocks out of it's hands. At least in the biological/organic sense. If you assume conditions in the universe are the same as they are here, (gravity, molecules/atoms etc) certain things simply are impossible.

 

[feather240]

Your entire theory is based on the idea that there are even any alternative universes out there. And even if that were so, according to this theory, this would only explore derivates of our history - not change the very matter of existance so that Gods or magic could be formed.

Even if there's only one universe it's infinite so no matter how long it took there would eventually be God, but I don't think there is right now.

Sorry for the sensationalist title, but I really want to discuss this idea I've had.
Just for the record, I don't believe I'm now the major philosopher of our time lol. This is really just something to think about.

I was thinking about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

This means that anything that can happen will happen.
Statistically speaking, doesn't this mean that there must be a God? Or at least something approximately the same?
I mean God is, what, a creature that can manipulate matter at the molecular level?
It would also mean that every religion is the right one.

I'm not a religious man, I don't really mind if there's a God or not. But I just think it's something worth wondering about.

What do you all think?

Wrong, some events have a quantum probability of 0 because due to the laws of physics it is impossible. EG - I never have or will spontaneously develop super powers. Reason? Whilst it is a possible event that could concievably occur, it is an effect without a cause. There is no possible cause that could transpire that could cause this event, hence the event, whilst being theoretical possibility, infact has a quantum probability of 0, hence never occurs.

I realised this myself recently, when dealing with the problem of impossible events in an infinite number of parallel universes. If it cannot occur within the laws of physics, it cannot occur. Ever. God does not follow the laws of physics. Ergo, god does not exist.

Whilst there may be beings of higher intelligence that created us, there is no all powerful god. Any creator must have a beginning and end like all other life in this universe, and is bound by the same laws. It cannot increase the speed of light. It cannot change the past due to paradoxes. It is a powerful being, true, but not a god.

Yes, yes you could gain super powers. We just don't have the time to think of an incredibly elaborate solution allowing it to happen, but if the universe is infinity smaller and larger than there could be a way. Even if the superpowers are just by weird chance and luck. If you can imagine it than it can happen.

 

[accountant]

Sorry for the sensationalist title, but I really want to discuss this idea I've had.

-Edit, from here on I've changed the post slightly as it came across a bit more serious than I intended. Sorry guys, this really is just something I intended people to have a bit fun with -

Just for the record, I don't believe I'm now the major philosopher of our time lol. This is really just something to think about.

I was thinking[footnote]These thoughts were in no way aided by ANY illegal substance. Honest.[/footnote] about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

This means that anything that can happen will happen.
Statistically speaking, doesn't this mean that there must be a God? Or at least something approximately the same?
I mean God is, what, a creature that can manipulate matter at the molecular level?
It would also mean that every religion is the right one.

I'm not a religious man, I don't really mind if there's a God or not. But I just think it's something worth wondering about.

What do you all think?

God is not a creature.

God is a "being" then? It means pretty much the same thing, it's best not to get annoyed by such trivial things.

 

[Escapefromwhatever]

I mean God is, what, a creature that can manipulate matter at the molecular level?

Just a small digression here, but for God, as we know him/her/it, to actually work, he/she/it would have to be able to:
1) create matter
2) create energy
3) manipulate both in any way he/she/it sees fit
4) be omniscient.

And that's not even taking antimatter, strange matter, dark matter, plasma, and things like that into consideration.

Wrong, some events have a quantum probability of 0 because due to the laws of physics it is impossible. EG - I never have or will spontaneously develop super powers. Reason? Whilst it is a possible event that could concievably occur, it is an effect without a cause. There is no possible cause that could transpire that could cause this event, hence the event, whilst being theoretical possibility, infact has a quantum probability of 0, hence never occurs.

I realised this myself recently, when dealing with the problem of impossible events in an infinite number of parallel universes. If it cannot occur within the laws of physics, it cannot occur. Ever. God does not follow the laws of physics. Ergo, god does not exist.

Whilst there may be beings of higher intelligence that created us, there is no all powerful god. Any creator must have a beginning and end like all other life in this universe, and is bound by the same laws. It cannot increase the speed of light. It cannot change the past due to paradoxes. It is a powerful being, true, but not a god.

What if another universe exists where our laws of physics do not apply? What if God is possible within our laws of physics and we just have not found a way to explain it yet?

 

[UsefulPlayer 1]

hahaha, I applied this kind of thought a lot when I was little.

That's how I rationalized the possibility of a DBZ and pokemon universe.

 

[Turtleboy1017]

Prove me wrong, but if I'm correct time has no beginning and has no end. Doesn't that mean that everything that COULD happen, has already happened before, in the distant, distant past?

No.
The universe changes over time, this means that something can be possible without being certain.

In fact, provided the probabilty generaly decreases over time, you can have an event that has positive probabilty for all time, yet might still never happen.

Your response confuses me. If there's any sort of possibility that an event can happen, and if you agree with me that time has no beginning and no end, logically and statistically that even would already have had to happen.

 

[Xpwn3ntial]

That ain't bad.

 

[NeutralDrow]

What do you all think?

I don't think anything on the subject. I just wanted to thank you for showing me how to use footnotes.

 

[kahlzun]

I was thinking about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

When did we prove that??

The closest I can think of is the Heisenberg uncertainty Principle, which states that you can never be sure what something will do before it does it.

Quantum theory states that at any moment, any object has a 'probability cloud' around it containing all the possible states that it might change into in the next moment.

There is, however, no evidence or proof that once the particle 'chooses' its next state that there is any "alternative universe" created.

Also, even if your hypothesis was correct, and there were free-spawn alternative universes, nothing in one universe can affect the other universes (definition of universe)

Furthermore, if the argument is raised that "God transcends the universe, and is outside its 'walls' and 'rules'", then obviously 'God' is not bound by the 'spawn_multiverse' effect, and is still not proven.

 

[Rooster893]

I'm not a religious man, I don't really mind if there's a God or not.

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So you're a nihlist?

 

[crystalsnow]

...Having unlimited universes doesn't mean everything ever thought of can happen.

 

[lukemdizzle]

did I miss when they proved that there are an infinite number of alternate universes. I know that this is a component of manny prominent theories but I don't think it has ever been proven. but ya I guess hypothetically if there are infinite number of universes with infinite possibilities there probably is an omnipotent being in one of them, but probably not ours, or one for the soup of universes, imo, hypothetically, probably, screw it

 

[Worgen]

definatly a more interesting take on it then most but Im not sure I subscribe to the infinate number of universe idea, I think its just a way to explain bad math that explains something else