Intolerance and Judgemental thinking - SO FUCKING ANNOYING

[Mr Pantomime]

I just love the part where you complain about your mother criticising your choice in music, then in the same sentence refer to her choice of music as "fucking Gospel shit".

You just sound like yet another venomous little teenager who's complaining because his mummy won't let him wear his hat sideways or something.

Your words remind me of this picture

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Funny, cause Hebrew Satan is just one of God's angels that watches the world and gives a status report to God on how everyone is doing.

Then again, the Hebrew God is more human than Buddha half the time.

See?
The guy is just doing his job and suddenly EVERYONE says he's the ultimate bad guy.
He's like the parking attendant of the angels, Everyone needs him but no one likes him the poor guy.
To quote one particularly weird guy with an unhealthy obsession with britney spears:

"Leave satan alone......LEAVE HIM ALONE......I'M SERIOUS!"

....Hail satan!!

Exactly, I think that, when the word was created, God was like, "some people are pricks, im going to send them to a bad place called hell, but I need someone to watch over them", and Lucifer was all like "Its cool Big Man, I got this". And he goes and spends all eternity with douchebags, and noone thanks him!

I know I got spammed for a week when...

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[color= white]I told everyone I was dating my cousin...[/color]

which I still am...

I find this really cute. Is that weird?

 

[Swny Nerdgasm]

To be completely clear: I strongly disapprove of blowing up, shooting, stabbing, or otherwise injuring/killing another living being simply because you disagree with them.

Damnit, you people never let me have any fun

 

[Gralian]

I know. Any time I see some liberal cuntmuffin claim that someone else is obviously a christian, a republican or a freedom hating nazi just because they disagree with them on something really minor like whether gays should be allowed to marry, I just want to execute them on the spot.
Being open minded does not mean only open minded when they agree with your point of view.

This, a thousand times. Because you know, people being intolerant can work both ways. Say someone is liberal and says something like (using the example of the poster) "Gays should be able to marry". But someone comes along and says "Actually, i don't agree with that because marriage is a traditional ceremony and it should be between a man and a woman". The liberals will completely flame and abuse him or her for that opinion. You HAVE to be tolerant of everything, and the intolerance of the tolerant people towards people they deem 'intolerant' is just fucking hypocritical. Everyone should respect everyone's ideals and beliefs, but that means if someone dislikes members of another race, religion sexual preference or whatever for whatever reason you should respect that's just how the person feels, otherwise you're forcing your liberalism down their throats, and anyone who disagrees with you is instantly a vile freedom-hating Nazi. All this forced liberalism reminds me of the death camp of tolerance in South Park.

Rant aside, i think being narrow-minded is different to intolerance, OP. It's not that your mother is intolerant of what you do it's just that she's too narrow minded to accept anything other than her perception of what you do and / or believe, and there's just no arguing with those people. It's impossible to be civil so just try not to discuss it with her and move on with your life. I for one have no idea why people need to announce everything like I AM A CHRISTIAN or I AM A SATANIST. Can't you just worship or practice whatever religion privately? I don't announce to the world i'm an atheist outside of internet discussion, they shouldn't announce it to me. I could be a Muslim and pray to Allah every night quietly if i wanted and no-one would know the difference from when i last claimed to be atheist. Announcing your faith doesn't make you instantly 'part of the club'. But this doesn't just apply to religion. It's any hobby. Don't go announcing you watch anime or enjoy an aspect of geek culture or other socially excluded hobby or group if you don't want backlash. Don't want your mother bitching about your metal? Put some fucking headphones on, geez.

 

[Fangface74]

This is probably exactly whats running through your mother's mind, she just doesn't articulate it as such because... well, she's your mother. She shouldn't have to.

Being a parent automatically qualifies someone from NOT putting a point across to their child successfully?. Read it back and have a rethink maybe?

 

[Gralian]

-snip because the post was getting long-

The point wasn't about gay marriage specifically, it was about people's kneejerk reactions to people with a less than open-minded view to something for whatever reason. You seem to think that people with 'prejudice' are going to hop in a pickup with a 12-guage and maybe grab some "GOD HATES " signs. No. Doesn't work that way. Just like if someone has a paedophilia fetish(?) it doesn't mean they're going to act on it. Or to make it more down to earth just because someone plays violent games doesn't mean they are going to start shooting people in the real world. Do you see what i mean here?

You're assuming people who aren't open minded are 'walking all over you with their hate'. They don't have to hate something to disagree with it. Someone may disagree with gay marriage (using the same example) but that doesn't mean they hate homosexuals. You're labelling them with the same 'freedom hating Nazi' label i described earlier on. And you know there are some people who genuinely feel less than warm between immigrants or people who prefer the same gender or whatever and that's just how they are. Just because someone feels less than comfortable around homosexuals for example, doesn't mean they deserve to be spat on for being a 'homophobe'. I don't spit on you for being an 'arachnophobe', do i? (Edit: I realise you may argue that being arachnophobic doesn't affect the human rights of anyone the way homophobia so often does but a homophobic does not have to act violently or offensively towards homosexuals to still have reservations about them and wish to avoid contact) I think you have to make a distinction between someone with opposing views and a bigot that acts on his or her beliefs. Not everyone will agree with you. I don't' see why everyone should be forced to agree with your liberal views when you won't agree with their conservative views. Smells a bit of double standard to me.

Incidentally as i said before i dislike closed minded folk of either side of the spectrum. But there is a difference as South Park also said on the death camp of tolerance episode between 'tolerance' and 'acceptance'. A homophobe may tolerate homosexuality being a part of society but that doesn't mean he or she has to like it or to agree with what comes with it (fight for gay rights and so on). You are forcing people to accept what they tolerate when tolerating and accepting are two completely different things. Don't you think that forcing a liberal view of acceptance is a bit different than tolerating and disagreeing in a civil manner?

 

[Elle-Jai]

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So it is for the exact reason I stated. It's nothing more than cheap shock and awe. I think I'll stick to just being myself. Surely he has to understand how hypocritical it is to be so vocal against conformity, only then to make a set of distinct rules that his followers have to conform to?

I just think it's really cheap to be frank. The use of 'Satan' is little more than a way to grab attention. That's pretty much how I feel about the people who claim to be followers of it too.

You are entitled to your opinion I disagree, and I'll explain why 2moro when I am actually awake (it's 2am, I can't keep my eyes open, so check back in on the forums 2moro )

On another subject: Y'all need to quit the sideline discussion of marriage, incest, homosexuality etc. It's fast developing into a flame war, no one is winning, and you are FEEDING TEH TROLLZ! Just be the bigger man and STOP already.

 

[archvile93]

I know I got spammed for a week when...

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[color= white]I told everyone I was dating my cousin...[/color]

which I still am...

You understand that you were pretty stupid about it. You didn't tell anyone that it was a non blood related cousin and by the time you did the damage was done.

Going out with anyone that closely related by blood is fucked up man, the blood thing is crucial.

We weren't overly judgemental, you didn't give us enough info.

you don't know how many times I got spammed pictures of King Charles II of Spain...

Only him? I figured they'd send a portrait of every member of the medieval and renaissance royalty that ever lived. It was the style back then. Maybe that's why there were so many wars, all the leaders were retarded from constant inbreeding.

 

[HT_Black]

It pisses me off to no end when someone of a different point of view is ignorant and judgmental towards you. Honestly, there's nothing worse than the frustration that comes from this.

For example, my mother somehow can't understand no matter how many times I tell her that Satanism has nothing to do with Devil Worship, or even the Christian idea of Satan. She constantly criticizes me for listening to metal, she's even tried to claim that it's not music - just because it's not "relaxing" or "happy" sounding like her fucking Gospel shit that she insists on playing 24/7 because it gives the house a 'Spiritual protection'.

Buddy, I could really care less what you do on your own time, but for the love of all that is clean and good, WHAT IS WITH YOUR AVATAR? I spent well on three minutes just watching it play over and over again in a state of disbelieving horror; seriously, what gives?

On-topic, I'm a Christian (note how liberal I am with that word in this case), and I really couldn't care less what everyone else thinks. As long as you don't feel compelled to go blow somebody up, I think we all agree that you're entitled to do whatever you want with your life.

 

[Something Amyss]

Honestly, I don't care what people believe or if/who they worship, but is it any shock that Christians see "Satan" in "Satanism?"

By the way, I'm a Klanite, but it's totally not what you think. Sure, the Klan predates my religion and means something utterly different, and adherents to the Klan have a long history compared to my limited years as a Klanite, but why don't people get it?

 

[AgentNein]

If you're unwilling to allow someone to marry because of who they're choosing to marry. Put simply that is hate. This isn't a question about open mindedness.

No its not. Hate may have nothing to do with it. For some it may be tradition. It may have to do with their religious beliefs. It could even come down to their choice of language. After all during prop 8 many said they would happily support civil unions with all the rights and responsibilities of marriage but will not support the use of the term marriage.
Besides, we do not allow child marriages, inter family marriages or polygamy either so it is clearly not a right but a privilege.

TWO CONSENTING ADULTS. Fucking A. This is the fundamental difference between gay marriage, and fucking child marriages or interfamily marriages (which have that nasty habit of leading to inbreeding; children with a much higher chance of being born with birth defects, depending on the strength of the relation of the parents). It's positively stupid of you to equate these things. Again: TWO CONSENTING ADULTS.

Homophobia is fear and/or hostility towards homosexuals and the homosexual lifestyle. Denying people the right to marriage because you believe marriage is sacred and that these folks are below it is homophobia. Denying the right to marriage for no real logical reason is homophobia. It's also silly people assuming that a particular religion or religions have some exclusive right to marriage. Yes, people are denied things in the world all the time, and when there's a logical reason to that denial that's not steeped in superstition hey I'm all for it!

Polygamy is an issue dealing with more than two people joining one of these unions, which is it's own debate.

 

[KEM10]

Funny, cause Hebrew Satan is just one of God's angels that watches the world and gives a status report to God on how everyone is doing.

Then again, the Hebrew God is more human than Buddha half the time.

Its more accurate to describe 'Satan' as a sort of title. Basically, a Satan is just a douche bag that tempts humanity, try's to lead them astray, and challenges their beliefs in God, and when he succeeds, runs off to tattle to the big man.

Christians 'In the Know' often refer to such a being as 'The Tempter.'

A satan is just someone who opposes you. When King David fought the army of Satan, it was referring to the Philistines. Also, he has no power over people. The angel ha-satan only watched, if he interfered with the people it would create participation error. Only God actively participated in the day to day lives of the people (if he participated). And you're probably thinking of Job, who was the perfect follower of God (we know this because the book tells us in the preamble) and God, yes God, punished him to see if he was truly faithful. Satan just suggested that people only praise him because they fear him.

Christians "In the Know" don't often look at the old testament because of Hebrews 8:13.

By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear

Well, that and actually picking up the Bible and reading it is for fanatics.

Also the Catholic Church has taken all that is old and twisted it to fit their needs and dogma. Hence, Satan = Lucifer = The Devil.

Now, I think that is enough of that for now. I could explain Job in more depth and how 75% of people are wrong, but it works better if you read it without the whole "overcoming adversity" bit that everyone has tagged onto it.