Is the Wii really that bad??

[SilverKyo]

i should have elaborated that "currently" their marketing set is one first party title on the Wii. they changed their philosophy when they went for the casual market. Think about it, it's been two and a half years since twilight princess, the engine is fine, the controls are as good as their gonna get probably, the graphics are probably the best you could ever hope to push that little thing, and yet, not a word, not one. i wish i could find it for you where nintendo has said this marketing design for the Wii, but i'm having trouble finding the article. when i find it again, i'll post it. The fact of the matter is that a second Zelda should have been released by now, or atleast a trailer, if they had any intentions of making one.

 

[Devildoc]

The Wii is the frisbee of the new generation... It will enetertain you for a good 5 secs then you get bored and play with a real console... long story short, the Wii is less of a gaming console and more of a cheap novelty!!!

Lemme guess, you have buyer's remorse for your overpriced PS3 that has mostly a collection of mediochre FPS games, a genre which is much much better played on a PC (or even a Wii remote control system would work better than a controller with an analog stick for aiming)..

Or you're playing an Xbox 360 which is losing all of its exclusives and in the end is a poor man's PC.

 

[Internet Kraken]

The Wii is the frisbee of the new generation... It will enetertain you for a good 5 secs then you get bored and play with a real console... long story short, the Wii is less of a gaming console and more of a cheap novelty!!!

Lemme guess, you have buyer's remorse for your overpriced PS3 that has mostly a collection of mediochre FPS games, a genre which is much much better played on a PC (or even a Wii remote control system would work better than a controller with an analog stick for aiming)..

Or you're playing an Xbox 360 which is losing all of its exclusives and in the end is a poor man's PC.

All the consoles have flaws. The Wii just has more flaws than the others.

Don't act like any one console is perfect.

 

[Mr. Fister]

Now that I have some actual time to elaborate, it's time to post my opinion.

The Wii's biggest problem is not the so-so online, downplayed graphics, or "gimmicky" controls. Its biggest issue is this idea going around developers that it's not worth it to make a proper Wii game. If you think about it from a business standpoint, you could understand why people are hesitant to make "hardcore" games for the platform. Why spend so much time and effort on a AAA title that might not sell very well if you can spend much less time and resources on a casual game that you know will sell? This is only made worse by the high sales of games like WiiPlay and WiiFit, and the (relatively) low sales of games like No More Heroes, MadWorld, and House of the Dead: Overkill, despite SEGA's claims that its satisfied with the latter two. Developers aren't just going to start suddenly supporting the Wii with high-quality games if it looks like the majority of Wii owners won't support them back. This is why games like MadWorld, The Conduit, and Zack & Wiki need to succeed; to stop this horrible idea from being proven true.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Wii, and think it's worth every cent for games like Brawl and Galaxy, but it really needs some shaping up in order to live up to the glory of past Nintendo consoles.

 

[WorldCritic]

So sorry to anyone who tries to kill me for this comment, but the Wii is just not that good. I have all three consoles and the Wii is the one I play the least. All that keeps me coming back to it is an occasional Brawl fight or some virtual console games for the sake of nostalgia.

 

[Enlong]

It isn't. I for one have not yet played a Wii game I didn't like.

 

[Devildoc]

i should have elaborated that "currently" their marketing set is one first party title on the Wii. they changed their philosophy when they went for the casual market. Think about it, it's been two and a half years since twilight princess, the engine is fine, the controls are as good as their gonna get probably, the graphics are probably the best you could ever hope to push that little thing, and yet, not a word, not one. i wish i could find it for you where nintendo has said this marketing design for the Wii, but i'm having trouble finding the article. when i find it again, i'll post it. The fact of the matter is that a second Zelda should have been released by now, or atleast a trailer, if they had any intentions of making one.

They're working on another Zelda for the Wii. They themselves would think it was unfair to give us only TP, since TP was originally intended for the GC anyway.

As far as graphics potential... well the Wii only has very minor upgrades on the GC so we can't expect that much better out of it. Metroid Prime 3 is probably as good as a Wii game is ever going to get.

So what does that mean? Games will need to be artistic rather than focusing on photorealism with their presentation. Developers will have to get creative, using stylized graphics (Madworld is an excellent example of this) is a way to make a game look good, while masking the hardware limitations of the console.

 

[Devildoc]

Now that I have some actual time to elaborate, it's time to post my opinion.

The Wii's biggest problem is not the so-so online, downplayed graphics, or "gimmicky" controls. Its biggest issue is this idea going around developers that it's not worth it to make a proper Wii game. If you think about it from a business standpoint, you could understand why people are hesitant to make "hardcore" games for the platform. Why spend so much time and effort on a AAA title that might not sell very well if you can spend much less time and resources on a casual game that you know will sell? This is only made worse by the high sales of games like WiiPlay and WiiFit, and the (relatively) low sales of games like No More Heroes, MadWorld, and House of the Dead: Overkill, despite SEGA's claims that its satisfied with the latter two. Developers aren't just going to start suddenly supporting the Wii with high-quality games if it looks like the majority of Wii owners won't support them back. This is why games like MadWorld, The Conduit, and Zack & Wiki need to succeed; to stop this horrible idea from being proven true.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Wii, and think it's worth every cent for games like Brawl and Galaxy, but it really needs some shaping up in order to live up to the glory of past Nintendo consoles.

It's true and one of the things that bothers me the most about the current state of things is that the Wii is apparently very easy to pirate. If you look on 4chan /v/ and such it's just sad, people complaining about shovelware on the Wii and all the garbage, then when a game like Madworld comes out, that people are excited for, that appeals to older gamers rather than children, they don't buy it, they pirate it.

It gives the devs no reinforcement to keep putting effort into making good games. Meanwhile casuals don't appear to pirate, they buy games.

Which is a sad state of affairs for us gamers who like to play high quality games and are willing to pay for them. We get called "moralfags" and told off.

 

[BigCat91]

It's because it is a marketing gimmick. I saw an advert for the wii earlier today specifically aimed at housewives. The wii isn't making good games but causing the game industry to stagnate under mountains of shovelware.

Thats exactly how i feel but only in better words. the wii is just a marketing gimmick aimed at people who probably won't buy the next generation of consoles at any point of time. it's just a way so people can spend 250 dollars burning a hole in their pocket and only give like 3 good games to back it up. really the wii pushes games out extremely fast without considering that they are setting lower standards for the game industry.

The last system that had something similar to this is the ps2. it had the largest game library ever. a good number of those were bad games. however the ps2 did market towards all audiences and eventually getting them all. it's ironic how not a lot of people hated the ps2 which is similar in a way to the wii, but the wii his hated a lot by fan boys both ps3 and 360 and even some wii owners which is strange.

 

[SilverKyo]

i should have elaborated that "currently" their marketing set is one first party title on the Wii. they changed their philosophy when they went for the casual market. Think about it, it's been two and a half years since twilight princess, the engine is fine, the controls are as good as their gonna get probably, the graphics are probably the best you could ever hope to push that little thing, and yet, not a word, not one. i wish i could find it for you where nintendo has said this marketing design for the Wii, but i'm having trouble finding the article. when i find it again, i'll post it. The fact of the matter is that a second Zelda should have been released by now, or atleast a trailer, if they had any intentions of making one.

They're working on another Zelda for the Wii. They themselves would think it was unfair to give us only TP, since TP was originally intended for the GC anyway.

As far as graphics potential... well the Wii only has very minor upgrades on the GC so we can't expect that much better out of it. Metroid Prime 3 is probably as good as a Wii game is ever going to get.

So what does that mean? Games will need to be artistic rather than focusing on photorealism with their presentation. Developers will have to get creative, using stylized graphics (Madworld is an excellent example of this) is a way to make a game look good, while masking the hardware limitations of the console.

I never said that Wii graphics weren't acceptable, it's just that i think Metroid 3 and TP pushed them as far as they're going to get on the Wii. don't get me wrong, one of my favorite games that came out recently was Prince of Persia, and one of the larger reasons was because of the beautiful cell shaded graphics. One of the larger problems with the improvement of graphics is that it takes a lot of money and time to make current generation games, and it's made developers hesitant to try anything new, culling creativity from the world of game design, which is why we see a lot of the some stuff and less innovation with the PS3 and 360 games. Of course, the designers of some of the Wii games had to be high when they designed some of these random games with the amount of nonsense and oddness in them, so it can't really be applied to them. BTW: this is the first I had heard of a New Zelda, but since TP was intended for the GC, my argument could potentially still be correct and valid. I just really wish i could track down that blasted article.

 

[Devildoc]

i should have elaborated that "currently" their marketing set is one first party title on the Wii. they changed their philosophy when they went for the casual market. Think about it, it's been two and a half years since twilight princess, the engine is fine, the controls are as good as their gonna get probably, the graphics are probably the best you could ever hope to push that little thing, and yet, not a word, not one. i wish i could find it for you where nintendo has said this marketing design for the Wii, but i'm having trouble finding the article. when i find it again, i'll post it. The fact of the matter is that a second Zelda should have been released by now, or atleast a trailer, if they had any intentions of making one.

They're working on another Zelda for the Wii. They themselves would think it was unfair to give us only TP, since TP was originally intended for the GC anyway.

As far as graphics potential... well the Wii only has very minor upgrades on the GC so we can't expect that much better out of it. Metroid Prime 3 is probably as good as a Wii game is ever going to get.

So what does that mean? Games will need to be artistic rather than focusing on photorealism with their presentation. Developers will have to get creative, using stylized graphics (Madworld is an excellent example of this) is a way to make a game look good, while masking the hardware limitations of the console.

I never said that Wii graphics weren't acceptable, it's just that i think Metroid 3 and TP pushed them as far as they're going to get on the Wii. don't get me wrong, one of my favorite games that came out recently was Prince of Persia, and one of the larger reasons was because of the beautiful cell shaded graphics. One of the larger problems with the improvement of graphics is that it takes a lot of money and time to make current generation games, and it's made developers hesitant to try anything new, culling creativity from the world of game design, which is why we see a lot of the some stuff and less innovation with the PS3 and 360 games. Of course, the designers of some of the Wii games had to be high when they designed some of these random games with the amount of nonsense and oddness in them, so it can't really be applied to them. BTW: this is the first I had heard of a New Zelda, but since TP was intended for the GC, my argument could potentially still be correct and valid. I just really wish i could track down that blasted article.

Like I said, the track record aside from the SNES (and GBA unless you count the Link to the Past Remake) is 2 Zeldas per console

 

[SilverKyo]

For Zelda maybe, but for most of their other ones, it's been 1, and again, still tracking down that article, but i'm running out of time i can waste on a form, lol. Homework, your annoying call like a noisy cousin or bird that won't shut up.

 

[hero in flames]

The Wii is the frisbee of the new generation... It will enetertain you for a good 5 secs then you get bored and play with a real console... long story short, the Wii is less of a gaming console and more of a cheap novelty!!!

Lemme guess, you have buyer's remorse for your overpriced PS3 that has mostly a collection of mediochre FPS games, a genre which is much much better played on a PC (or even a Wii remote control system would work better than a controller with an analog stick for aiming)..

Or you're playing an Xbox 360 which is losing all of its exclusives and in the end is a poor man's PC.

Not really, im white enough to own all three consoles...and the Wii seems to have the worse collection of games, and graphics... The only really decent console is a pc!!!... preferably one that can run crysis with no troulbe what so ever!!!

 

[Devildoc]

For Zelda maybe, but for most of their other ones, it's been 1, and again, still tracking down that article, but i'm running out of time i can waste on a form, lol. Homework, your annoying call like a noisy cousin or bird that won't shut up.

Well I don't think there's any underlying plot to rob us fans and dole the games out 1 per franchise per console like you do.. I mean with Metroid they skipped a console then released 2 on the Gamecube.

Mario.. it's really hard to pin down because he gets put in so many crossover games.

Sometimes they release a new version of a franchise on each new console because fans want it (or they anticipate that fans will) or they just want to take advantage of the new console. Remember because nobody is as familiar with the console as the first party, they're able to take best advantage of it and in a lot of cases, Nintendo 1st party titles are tech demos of the new console as much as they are good games (in fact some damn good franchises were started out as tech demos.. see F-zero)..

Anyway.. that's why you'll pretty much see a mario kart game on each new console.. and I don't think fans would have it any other way in that instance.

I'm still waiting for a Star Fox and Fzero game on the Wii. (they have mentioned interest in developing a Wii Starfox)

 

[Devildoc]

The Wii is the frisbee of the new generation... It will enetertain you for a good 5 secs then you get bored and play with a real console... long story short, the Wii is less of a gaming console and more of a cheap novelty!!!

Lemme guess, you have buyer's remorse for your overpriced PS3 that has mostly a collection of mediochre FPS games, a genre which is much much better played on a PC (or even a Wii remote control system would work better than a controller with an analog stick for aiming)..

Or you're playing an Xbox 360 which is losing all of its exclusives and in the end is a poor man's PC.

Not really, im white enough to own all three consoles...and the Wii seems to have the worse collection of games, and graphics... The only really decent console is a pc!!!... preferably one that can run crysis with no troulbe what so ever!!!

Yeah, but I think PC + Wii is the way to go this round. The Wii probably has the most exclusives out of the consoles, and when they're a first party Nintendo game, it's exclusive and will never come to PC, but I can see pretty much every game on the 360/PS3 coming to PC.

 

[phar]

I used to be the biggest Nintendo fanboy around because they used to have so many quality games and never had all these crappy games ported to their system. Now with the Wii there is just so many terrible games. Considering its the most popular console of this generation they developers should be spending time with their ports. What also soured me from the console was the lack of upcoming Nintendo brand games. They released Mario, Zelda and Metroid and I certainly got the use out of my machine from those 3 titles.. but theres absolutely nothing on the Horizon thats remotely appealing to a hardcore Nintendo fanboy.

tldr : too many crap games and too many Nintendo party games for the Nintendo fanboys.

Id love Nintendo again if they announced another Zelda or Mario... until that time it will collect dust

 

[SilverKyo]

For Zelda maybe, but for most of their other ones, it's been 1, and again, still tracking down that article, but i'm running out of time i can waste on a form, lol. Homework, your annoying call like a noisy cousin or bird that won't shut up.

Well I don't think there's any underlying plot to rob us fans and dole the games out 1 per franchise per console like you do.. I mean with Metroid they skipped a console then released 2 on the Gamecube.

Mario.. it's really hard to pin down because he gets put in so many crossover games.

Sometimes they release a new version of a franchise on each new console because fans want it (or they anticipate that fans will) or they just want to take advantage of the new console. Remember because nobody is as familiar with the console as the first party, they're able to take best advantage of it and in a lot of cases, Nintendo 1st party titles are tech demos of the new console as much as they are good games (in fact some damn good franchises were started out as tech demos.. see F-zero)..

Anyway.. that's why you'll pretty much see a mario kart game on each new console.. and I don't think fans would have it any other way in that instance.

I'm still waiting for a Star Fox and Fzero game on the Wii. (they have mentioned interest in developing a Wii Starfox)

I could have sworn that i read this somewhere though, and it's bugging me to no end that i can't find it. and i know the 1st party still has to be making something, but their big, main series seems to only release one a console, and i know i read this somewhere. My point in all of this was that since Nintendo seems to have only garbage third party games except for possibly a handful of diamonds in the pools of human waste, they need to be releasing more of their good series, their juggernaut titles. Every bit of news I've seen about the Wii as of late has been that they got nothing good coming out, or atleast to me. My other argument of poor marketing choices going for the casual gamer still stands aswell.

 

[Singularly Datarific]

Its because there has been very few epic games recently. Early on, it had its superstar tag-team of Metroid, Zelda, and Mario that could crush anything in its path, but now it's conducting Mii's, which Microsoft, um, borrowed for no apparent reason, as its audience is usually 20+ year-olds.

 

[Devildoc]

For Zelda maybe, but for most of their other ones, it's been 1, and again, still tracking down that article, but i'm running out of time i can waste on a form, lol. Homework, your annoying call like a noisy cousin or bird that won't shut up.

Well I don't think there's any underlying plot to rob us fans and dole the games out 1 per franchise per console like you do.. I mean with Metroid they skipped a console then released 2 on the Gamecube.

Mario.. it's really hard to pin down because he gets put in so many crossover games.

Sometimes they release a new version of a franchise on each new console because fans want it (or they anticipate that fans will) or they just want to take advantage of the new console. Remember because nobody is as familiar with the console as the first party, they're able to take best advantage of it and in a lot of cases, Nintendo 1st party titles are tech demos of the new console as much as they are good games (in fact some damn good franchises were started out as tech demos.. see F-zero)..

Anyway.. that's why you'll pretty much see a mario kart game on each new console.. and I don't think fans would have it any other way in that instance.

I'm still waiting for a Star Fox and Fzero game on the Wii. (they have mentioned interest in developing a Wii Starfox)

I could have sworn that i read this somewhere though, and it's bugging me to no end that i can't find it. and i know the 1st party still has to be making something, but their big, main series seems to only release one a console, and i know i read this somewhere. My point in all of this was that since Nintendo seems to have only garbage third party games except for possibly a handful of diamonds in the pools of human waste, they need to be releasing more of their good series, their juggernaut titles. Every bit of news I've seen about the Wii as of late has been that they got nothing good coming out, or atleast to me. My other argument of poor marketing choices going for the casual gamer still stands aswell.

Well a few of their projects as far as I know...

Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (DS)
Legend of Zelda: No Title Announced Yet (Wii)
Wii Sports Resort which might not be something that great by itself, will include the Wii motion plus which is an improvement on the motion sensing, making it more possible to track 1:1 motion (where currently it can only track vague directions) which will be useful for other games.
Punch Out!!
Excitebots
New Play Control series (they're released Pikmin and Mario Tennis so far, planning on Pikmin 2, Metroid Primes 1 and 2 as far as I know (hmm wonder if they'll do Windwaker..))

Then like I said there's rumors of a Starfox, and 2d DS Metroid game

 

[peduncle]

yes