Is There Such Thing as Bad Music...
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of course there's bad music,
even if we don't go in to the mine field that is 'people's opinions', i could hearl a drum kit down a flight of stairs, and call that music, and it would be bad
still, would probably sound better than the druming on St.Anger
HIIII OOOOOOO
even if we don't go in to the mine field that is 'people's opinions', i could hearl a drum kit down a flight of stairs, and call that music, and it would be bad
still, would probably sound better than the druming on St.Anger
HIIII OOOOOOO
No, there's only good music and stuff that's not music.
EDIT: Unless off course you mean bad as a grade of evil.
EDIT: Unless off course you mean bad as a grade of evil.
im going to call out a local band because of a song in wich the chorus goes "te lavaste la cara y el mono no" translation: "you washed your face but not your monkeybeaver" xD
You know? I just don't know. Her singing voice is pretty decent. But I can see your point. But sort of disagree... argh. And now my head hurts.Archaon6044 said:
As a matter of fact: your example deepens this discussion in ways most won't even comprehend.
Mmmm yes.
We can look at it the same way we look at bad movies and games. There are certain elements that make a song good; melody, rhythm, dynamics, harmony, emotion, and technique(there are a few more but these will do). some of these elements are there by default, like melody and rhythm, but dynamics and emotion have to be created. Even with the elements like melody and rhythm you can stuff up, there are some notes that just don't work together and you can easily make a rhythm sound bad. Sometimes if you muck those you up can recover by having great emotion and/or technique, but if there is none of that, then you are in trouble.
So if we start to remove the elements, we can start to get some really bad songs.
The song has notes that clash and the melody is not catchy at all, the rhythms are blocky and rough, there is no dynamics, as in it is the same level the whole song, the harmonies are rough (to many 4ths!), there is no emotion and the playing is sloppy and dull.
Of course, just like the worse movie or game, you will have people who like this song, no matter how shitty it is. On the same page, you can have a song with all these elements and still have people hating it, for example, most pop songs have these (however emotion and technical ability are disputable), but people still hate it. Dispite what you may thing, most pop songs are 'perfect' in the fact that their production is flawless, and the musical side all fits, yet people still don't like them.
In conclusion - You can have a bad song, even though there will be some people who still like it.
We can look at it the same way we look at bad movies and games. There are certain elements that make a song good; melody, rhythm, dynamics, harmony, emotion, and technique(there are a few more but these will do). some of these elements are there by default, like melody and rhythm, but dynamics and emotion have to be created. Even with the elements like melody and rhythm you can stuff up, there are some notes that just don't work together and you can easily make a rhythm sound bad. Sometimes if you muck those you up can recover by having great emotion and/or technique, but if there is none of that, then you are in trouble.
So if we start to remove the elements, we can start to get some really bad songs.
The song has notes that clash and the melody is not catchy at all, the rhythms are blocky and rough, there is no dynamics, as in it is the same level the whole song, the harmonies are rough (to many 4ths!), there is no emotion and the playing is sloppy and dull.
Of course, just like the worse movie or game, you will have people who like this song, no matter how shitty it is. On the same page, you can have a song with all these elements and still have people hating it, for example, most pop songs have these (however emotion and technical ability are disputable), but people still hate it. Dispite what you may thing, most pop songs are 'perfect' in the fact that their production is flawless, and the musical side all fits, yet people still don't like them.
In conclusion - You can have a bad song, even though there will be some people who still like it.
Ahh, it's good to see another reluctant fan of that band. I used to listen to that album like there was no tomorrow.Gilbert Munch said:
And then tomorrow came. Then I started listening to metal, which canceled rap out in my head.
I'll see your terrible Regina Spektor and raise you one technocore (calm down, I just don't know what the fuck to call it) song!Archaon6044 said:
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See how long you can last before your ears start to bleed.
give me something that gets my adrenaline and imagination go crazy and ill think its the best song ever. to me thinking about the universe and the divine energy that created it is a lot more meaningful than getting horny.
I'm afraid there is bad music, and it goes like this.....R&B remakes/remixes/rewhatevers of classical songs.
Over the past few months I've gone into record shops to hear what I assume is eiffel 65 singing 'I'm blue babadi babada etc' and while this song is hardly a work of genius, in pops some R&B gangsta singing about how he likes stuffing diamonds in his teeth and beating his wife. Now I used to have no problem with R&B. A few years ago i was happy listening to Nate Dogg, Dre, Pharell, and several other acts, but I have officially given up on the R&B label because every single song i have heard for the past 4 months has been some materialistic nob mouthing off about his cars and women (like anybody really cares) while ripping off what were once classical songs. Victims so far have been the likes of Dead Or Alive, Soft Cell, The Zombies and even....I'm afraid....Adam & the Ants. Observe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-95sEUopsRk
Now before I'm called an oldie or out of touch (though i am deliberately out of touch with mainstream music and fashion because i think it's all generally a pile of arse), I am 21, and was barely born when most of these songs were made, but even I know when something classical should not be torn apart and used as a money-making machine so that another R&B artist can add another sprinkle to the cocaine bucket.
Honestly, watch the youtube video and devise your own opinion, but frankly, I think any artist that tears apart a classic like that with no effort to do it justice deserves an almost identical act to be performed on their own genitals
Over the past few months I've gone into record shops to hear what I assume is eiffel 65 singing 'I'm blue babadi babada etc' and while this song is hardly a work of genius, in pops some R&B gangsta singing about how he likes stuffing diamonds in his teeth and beating his wife. Now I used to have no problem with R&B. A few years ago i was happy listening to Nate Dogg, Dre, Pharell, and several other acts, but I have officially given up on the R&B label because every single song i have heard for the past 4 months has been some materialistic nob mouthing off about his cars and women (like anybody really cares) while ripping off what were once classical songs. Victims so far have been the likes of Dead Or Alive, Soft Cell, The Zombies and even....I'm afraid....Adam & the Ants. Observe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-95sEUopsRk
Now before I'm called an oldie or out of touch (though i am deliberately out of touch with mainstream music and fashion because i think it's all generally a pile of arse), I am 21, and was barely born when most of these songs were made, but even I know when something classical should not be torn apart and used as a money-making machine so that another R&B artist can add another sprinkle to the cocaine bucket.
Honestly, watch the youtube video and devise your own opinion, but frankly, I think any artist that tears apart a classic like that with no effort to do it justice deserves an almost identical act to be performed on their own genitals
Theres two kinds of bad music.
Theres the kind thats bad in my opinion; "Coldplay are weak wristed strummers who vomit half arsed nursery rhymes at middle class people who don't have time to get a soul"
And theres actually bad music. No examples come instantly to mind though.
Theres plenty of stuff I dislike, but there is usually a modicum of skill or thought put into it, and that stuff appeals to someone else, so it has some sorta use.
Theres the kind thats bad in my opinion; "Coldplay are weak wristed strummers who vomit half arsed nursery rhymes at middle class people who don't have time to get a soul"
And theres actually bad music. No examples come instantly to mind though.
Theres plenty of stuff I dislike, but there is usually a modicum of skill or thought put into it, and that stuff appeals to someone else, so it has some sorta use.
I like my industrial music, so yes, it is music, right down to the grinding climax as your hard drive diesNovskij said: