"It's totally okay if the girls are hot!": Hypocrisy and The World

[KeiraZodiac]

To me it seems to be a new cultural system to create sexual experiences without moral consequences. It's saying "oh hey, you're not gay, so you can have as much intimate experience with someone of the same gender and it means nothing"

Quite frankly, this further deformation of human intimacy sickens me, as we as human beings are the only species to take sexuality to a new emotional level.

Especially when one considers that the snog is idosyncratic to the human race (as opposed to most other acts of intimacy which are shared amongst other animals in this crazy kingdom) which is being devalued.

It also (as many people before me have probably said) further glorifies the objectification of not only women, but also of homosexuality in general, creating fruther associations between infidelity and homosexuality.

Second of all if you get off on your partner being intimate with a person who isn't you then what the frak is wrong with you!?

/rant over

...hey, that felt good.

 

[JaredXE]

Indeed, this seems to be the case. New research on the original Hebrew version of the "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind" has pointed out that different words were used for the man (which was translated to "Thou") and the man meant in "mankind", and that the word used for the former was generally used for adult men, and the word used for the latter was generally used for male children.

This would suggest that the phrase is actually condemning paedophilia, rather than homosexuality.

Yeah, I never really trust the Bible translations. I mean, it says that it's ok to stone your kids, sell your daughters as sex slaves and if you are without a wife to grab one off the road. OBVIOUSLY someone mistranslated it many times to get THOSE lines.

 

[Sparrow]

Anti-homosexuality pisses me off.

Well, tackling an opinion with an opinion isn't going to get you very far in life.

Don't get me wrong, gay people are actually awesome. No, seriously. My male gay friend is quite possibly the best wingman in existance, and my female gay friend is the only person who understands my terrible sense of humour. However, simply saying "I dislike this opinion", isn't doing much about it.

And another note, why do people say "homosexual"? Every gay person I've met, prefers to be called gay. Saying homosexual is being a bit too politically correct.

 

[The Hairminator]

I fear that porn is responsible for this way of viewing the matter. However, most my friends dislike all homosexuals, no matter the gender. No one is discriminated. Myself I don't mind homos at all, although i haven't met any gay ones, just lesbians.

 

[latenightapplepie]

Eh, it's really not that bad. Everyone needs to relax a little. If you're a heterosexual man and you aren't utterly disgusted when you see two men kiss, relax : you're not gay. You don't have to be. Be secure in your sexuality. Don't worry about it so much. Hell, I don't mind watching two girls kissing, and will watch it. Doesn't mean I'm straight.

 

[JordanMillward_1]

I feel quite insulted you're including the whole wide world in this statement. Here in Britain, gay-marriage under the term civil union is perfectly legal and a non-issue. No-one puts these bumper stickers on you talk about.

I can't speak for the rest of Europe, but I reckon most of them are fine with it too (especially Holland, pretty much the land of 'anything goes').

And I live in the glorious knowledge that not only am I a Brit (so I could marry a guy if I wanted to), but my girlfriend and half her family are Dutch, so I get to go on holidays over there!

Getting the best of both worlds = the win!

 

[Gerazzi]

don't care.
do whatever you want.

 

[JordanMillward_1]

Yeah, I never really trust the Bible translations. I mean, it says that it's ok to stone your kids, sell your daughters as sex slaves and if you are without a wife to grab one off the road. OBVIOUSLY someone mistranslated it many times to get THOSE lines.

I also find the fact that the King James I (of England), the man to authorise the first English translation of the Bible, was gay (or at least bisexual) himself, and he was the one that made sure the "being gay is bad, m'kay?" were put into the Bible, extremely ironic.

It's theorised he did so so people wouldn't cotton on to the fact he was gay... despite his blatant preference for men in his court, which included openly gay men, and his general dislike for women.

Seems he was so far into the closet he fell through the back of it... and then decided to fix it with a metal security door and cameras.

 

[devildog1170]

same dumbasses who say you can believe what you want as long as jesus is in it

Beacuase EVERY threde here needs to flame relegion
*facepalm*

so just because i have dumbasses and jesus in the same sentence means im flaming religion now?

Well you're making the assumption that everyone who likes lesbians but not gay people also follows the teachings of Christianity.

So yes, you are flaming religion by associating it with stupidity.

Win

 

[JordanMillward_1]

Ah The Netherlands. I know it well.

And it's a country where 'anything goes' because it has the attitude that we can tolerate anything as long as we don't have to do it ourselves.
Sure it has an upside, but don't forget it's the dutch mentality that led to South Africa's Apartheid regime.

To be fair, the white South Africans that instituted Apartheid are as related to Holland as most white Americans are to the UK.

That is, not really.

I can't imagine Holland instituting Apartheid, just like I can't see Britain suddenly deciding that having gay marriage/civil unions be illegal is a good idea (like they did in some states of the US).

 

[ShakyFiend]

Incidentally I recently realised just how stupid the argument about Gay marriage can get when a particualy homophobic friend of mine said he thought gay marriage was wrong because 'the idea felt wrong inside him'

 

[dallan262]

im going to be honest here:

im male and i am straight im not homophobic, i have been to a gay bar but i have to say the reason why lesbians are perfectly fine infact awsome its because their both female and thats fucking attractive ... 2 guys at it = not attractive because im not gay i dont see why that makes you angry.

its the same idea say im having a chat with one of my bi friends i talk about sex infront of the girls etc etc but not infront of the guys as i dont want them talking about what they get upto.


i know how that sounds, but its just how the human mind works ofcourse your going to be more comfortable talking about and seeing what you think is sexually attractive.

 

[Treblaine]

Getting a group of guys to admit to be pro-homosexual, especially for male-male... good luck.

Even if each individual of the group will support you, none will admit open support because being gay is such a loaded label.

I blame these Gay Pride Rallies, yes they force people to realise gay people exist but they associate what is merely a sexual preference with an attitude, dress style and mannerism that straight men and I suspect a large proportion of gay men DO NOT WANT to have anything to do with. It also caricatures gay men in a horrible way and forces stereotypes which effect employment, friendships and family unity.

Homosexuality is JUST about sexual preference, not about how effeminate a man acts or how masculine a woman acts.

If the gay community could actually do something about that and make homosexuality less of a loaded term then we would not have as much of a problem. I mean the media treats homosexuals like some alien species from star trek, completely different and no real common link which drives a wedge between this minority group and the rest of society.

Then there are the gay districts, that is fucking ridiculous and in my mind they are the same as Jewish Ghettos of the 1930's. The entire reason these places exist is because when they come out they leave (mostly out of fear) their families/friends/lives to live in a separate world rather than being fully integrated into society. Gay bars I understand but NOTHING will be achieved by collectivising into these gay ghettos.

That's my two pence.

 

[dallan262]

ADD ON:

also i would like to state i dont know why gays have to talk walk and act the way they do it annoys me talk and walk the way you use too ok your gay but you dont have to put on a false personality because of it!!

i have fallen out with a few friends that way

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I don't think that the attitude that you mention above is right, but what can you do? It's how guys work. There are just some things women won't understand about guys and vice-versa.

DISCLAIMER: I know you agree with me for the most part, but i'm using this bit of your post to make a point.

It's not about being a guy, it's about having a rediculously fragile ego and a stupid need to seem manly. Oh, wait. Then yes I suppose it is about being a guy. >_> Or at least that's how most of them are, but not me thankfully.

Straight guys don't just naturally find gays discusting, as much as some would like the world to believe, it's to do with fitting into gender roles. Thats all. It's a stupid idea implanted into guys heads by people around them that they need to be a 'real' man, and that not only includes being straight yourself but showing discust for people who aren't, just to secure your place in the straight club.

I am a straight guy, but I don't find gay people discusting at all, how can anyone? I actually find it dispicable that someone can look at two people together, happy, and think it's discusting. I have never been able to understand that mindset, and I don't think I ever will. I can sort of understand people finding gay sex discusting, (though I don't, it's just not my cup of tea) but then, maybe these people should stop thinking about the sex for gods sake. How is that even relevant?

I am a guy who doesn't understand the way most guys think. These sort of men baffle me much more than any woman ever could... I am sometimes ashamed to be in the same gender as people who think this way. At least women are accepting.

 

[antipunt]

That said, if people are -SERIOUS- about this (people who actually seriously condemn homosexuality with a jerk-ass attitude, and then support chick on chick action)...then yeah, those people are just kind of stupid.

This is what I'm on about. I've seen it more than once, actually asked people if they are serious, and they are. Makes me want to grab a twatting stick.

*facepalm*
Go for the knees

 

[Doug]

I can't speak for the rest of Europe, but I reckon most of them are fine with it too (especially Holland, pretty much the land of 'anything goes').

And the land of little wooden shoes.

Eh, Europe seems to be pretty chill with a great many issues that are bugging America, but that's what happens when you kick all your uptight super religious freaks over the ocean and let them colonize a new nation.

Well, you could always deport all your uptight-super-religious freaks to the Pacific islands...? Just a thought to mul over

Ah The Netherlands. I know it well.

And it's a country where 'anything goes' because it has the attitude that we can tolerate anything as long as we don't have to do it ourselves.
Sure it has an upside, but don't forget it's the dutch mentality that led to South Africa's Apartheid regime.

'We will allow you to do whatever you want, but you have to keep away from the rest of us'.

Or thereabouts.

Oh really? Damn, thats bad. I hadn't known about that.