Left 4 Dead 2 not different? Yeah right

[cocoadog]

i pre ordered also so yes it is a vast improvement over the first but anyone who boycotts valve in the first place should be hung upside down into a vat of skags. also if you shoot a horde in the dick his intestines will indeed fall out

 

[Chunko]

Remember how a lot of people thought that L4D2 wasn't going to be much different to L4D at all? (Read: boycotters) Yeah, well, I can safely say: bullshit. You can feel the difference with it at the very moment you start playing. Everything feels different, and it's fucking good. Who else has the demo, and what do you think of it?

I agree, I have the demo as well, and I can say that it's a completely different game

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

"talked to some of the boycotters"? Did you actual read the 'manifesto', because that's what I was paraphrasing. I can't help feeling you misunderstood something, because I never took the boycott as having that view, ESPECIALLY not the leaders. But perhaps the people you talked to misunderstood the boycotters views themselves, or had their own views, its hard to say. I mean I could say people from the united states are all gay, based on talking to a couple gay people from the US, but that doesn't make it a fact. It's just an observation taken from an entirely too small sample size.

Ugh, that's very different. All of the boycotters I talked to had different views, not all of them had the views I gave an example of. I'm fully aware that this wasn't an example of what the group was founded on. You really do strike me as assuming I'm somewhat of a retard.

 

[Taerdin]

I agree, I have the demo as well, and I can say that it's a completely different game

Completely different? I think some of you are trying a little too hard here. Completely different would be like, a mellow puzzle game. It has new features but its essentially the same game. If it wasn't then they wouldn't call it Left 4 Dead

"talked to some of the boycotters"? Did you actual read the 'manifesto', because that's what I was paraphrasing. I can't help feeling you misunderstood something, because I never took the boycott as having that view, ESPECIALLY not the leaders. But perhaps the people you talked to misunderstood the boycotters views themselves, or had their own views, its hard to say. I mean I could say people from the united states are all gay, based on talking to a couple gay people from the US, but that doesn't make it a fact. It's just an observation taken from an entirely too small sample size.

Ugh, that's very different. All of the boycotters I talked to had different views, not all of them had the views I gave an example of. I'm fully aware that this wasn't an example of what the group was founded on. You really do strike me as assuming I'm somewhat of a retard.

Your OP really comes across as being solely a jab at the boycotters, which to be honest I'm sick to death of. People are so incredibly hypocritical, constantly whining about how the boycotters are whiners, and stating their views as stupid and uninformed while not actually informing themselves as to what their actual views actually are.

Also, the game is not COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, read above for a slight explanation which I fear I will have to eventually defend more in depth

 

[NotAPie]

i pre ordered also so yes it is a vast improvement over the first but anyone who boycotts valve in the first place should be hung upside down into a vat of skags. also if you shoot a horde in the dick his intestines will indeed fall out

I guess that's what I did...but a pistol?

 

[Chunko]

I agree, I have the demo as well, and I can say that it's a completely different game

Completely different? I think some of you are trying a little too hard here. Completely different would be like, a mellow puzzle game. It has new features but its essentially the same game. If it wasn't then they wouldn't call it Left 4 Dead

Why don't you wait for the demo to be available to the public before you say that (I'm not trying to be mean, but a lot has changed).

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

How is the AI Director different? I'm DLing it now, and it takes forever.

Remember how a lot of people thought that L4D2 wasn't going to be much different to L4D at all? (Read: boycotters) Yeah, well, I can safely say: bullshit. You can feel the difference with it at the very moment you start playing. Everything feels different, and it's fucking good. Who else has the demo, and what do you think of it?

Any chance of enlightening the rest of us what "feels different and it's fking good" means?

I've quoted you again Mazty because I want to read this bit which should've been included in my first answer to you:
TO answer both of your questions, infected now come at you, to put it bluntly, whichever way they fucking please. Remember in L4D how they'd frequently all file in through one doorway? Not anymore. Now they'll come from every which way you look. Rooftops, over fences, out of buildings...it truly is epic, and really feels much more exhilarating.

Well I'm downloading the pre-load for when it comes out. Sounds actually like a pretty good improvement on the last game. Any idea if custom maps from the 1st will work in the 2nd?

Not a clue my man, unfortunately I'm playing it on the Xbox.

I agree, I have the demo as well, and I can say that it's a completely different game

Completely different? I think some of you are trying a little too hard here. Completely different would be like, a mellow puzzle game. It has new features but its essentially the same game. If it wasn't then they wouldn't call it Left 4 Dead

How are we trying too hard? We simply think that it's very different. You seem to be letting your opinions get a bit hysterical.

 

[Taerdin]

I agree, I have the demo as well, and I can say that it's a completely different game

Completely different? I think some of you are trying a little too hard here. Completely different would be like, a mellow puzzle game. It has new features but its essentially the same game. If it wasn't then they wouldn't call it Left 4 Dead

How are we trying too hard? We simply think that it's very different. You seem to be letting your opinions get a bit hysterical.

How is what I said hysterical? Explain how it didn't make sense, please, so I can correct the apparent disconnect between my common sense approach and your understanding.

 

[JugglerPanda]

To be perfectly honest I really didn't like the L4D2 demo, and may well cancel my pre-order until I can play the full game elsewhere and decide on it...

The atmosphere is non-existent, the "fun-factor" just isn't there, the presentation no longer gritty and the gore childish and overdone....

The Parish is the least atmospheric level out of all of them. All the others take place during the night in much more horror movie-like places. The demo was designed to let you experience the gameplay, the gritty realism and atmosphere is in the other campaigns.

 

[HaloHappy]

Only one thing comes to my mind after playing the demo: THE MACHETE IS FUCKING SWEET!!

 

[GamingAwesome1]

I'm a L4D freak, got all achivements on the first game including the Crash Course ones and I found that this one doesn't play THAT much differently, it's got a few new sweet additions here and there, their main gimmick the melee weapons are piss weak and ineffective on the higher difficulties, maybe it's because we haven't been given the better ones yet. Also the weapons are quite rubbish, the two types of basic gun have no fucking difference apart from looks (two shotguns, two submachine guns.) And the upgraded guns are just re skins of the ones from L4D1.

Also to go off on a rant, the demo is shit. The fucking online multiplayer (which I'll remind is what the the game is built around) barely works, I didn't get into a single game that wasn't either lagging like crazy or was full of fucking morons. And if you know anything about L4D playing with the bots is just not an option.

I still can't wait for the full thing when I can play the full campaigns in all their glory and kick some major ass in Versus with all the new Infected!

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

I agree, I have the demo as well, and I can say that it's a completely different game

Completely different? I think some of you are trying a little too hard here. Completely different would be like, a mellow puzzle game. It has new features but its essentially the same game. If it wasn't then they wouldn't call it Left 4 Dead

How are we trying too hard? We simply think that it's very different. You seem to be letting your opinions get a bit hysterical.

How is what I said hysterical? Explain how it didn't make sense, please, so I can correct the apparent disconnect between my common sense approach and your understanding.

Wow, you really are unpleasant with this whole thing, aren't you? How is what we think 'trying too hard'? I didn't say it didn't make sense, please don't put words in my mouth. But that, what you've said there, is the source of this all. Your 'common sense approach'? What exactly is that supposed to mean?

 

[Taerdin]

Wow, you really are unpleasant with this whole thing, aren't you? How is what we think 'trying too hard'? I didn't say it didn't make sense, please don't put words in my mouth. But that, what you've said there, is the source of this all. Your 'common sense approach'? What exactly is that supposed to mean?

hys⋅ter⋅i⋅cal
irrational from fear, emotion, or an emotional shock.

I guess I could've said explain how what I said it 'irrational', but I thought not making sense was close enough, if not the exact same thing. I'm not putting words in your mouth.

Anyways, you still didn't dispute my statement you basically are asking me to say what I've already said. It's not COMPLETELY different, if it was it wouldn't be a first person shooter thats intense and requires teamwork, it would be a mellow puzzle game you do on your own. Now is it more clear what completely different means? Yay for you, gold star!

Common sense is hard to define, but basically if two things look similar and feel similar, they're not completely different. This is common sense, most people can recognize that while a red delicious and a golden delicious are different, they are not completely different as they are both apples. While Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2 are different, they are not completely different as they are both Left 4 Dead games, and essentially they play the same.

As for you guys 'trying to hard', you seem to be formulating your arguments with the hidden intent of slighting the boycotters in some way by stating "hey they believe this, but it's COMPLETELY something else". Even if they did believe that, its not completely different. AKA, you're trying too hard.

If you SERIOUSLY don't get this still then I'm not sure what to say to you. You're not my special project and I won't treat you as such. I have a lot of work to do as it is.

 

[DoctorDisaster]

The most valid criticism I've read here is that the atmosphere is totally different. That part's true: the original was going for a sort of creepy, rasps-on-the-nerves horror. This one is taking a different subset of grindhouse zombie movies: over-the-top action gorefests. Listen to the soundtracks and you'll immediately hear what I'm talking about.

Then again, I personally LOVE the new atmosphere. L4D was never my favorite Valve game, because TF2 was fun and crazy and not so damned serious all the time. I feel like the shlock action approach is more appropriate to the shooter genre anyway; once I got decent at L4D, the atmosphere became paper-thin because the mechanics didn't support it. Witches were terrifying when I first encountered them, but one couldn't raise my pulse with an adrenaline shot now; once you pick up the cr0wn technique, they're just a repetitive obstacle with a simple solution. Casting the players as Ash-from-Housewares crazy badasses is a setup that I think will stand the test of time a lot better.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Remember how a lot of people thought that L4D2 wasn't going to be much different to L4D at all? (Read: boycotters) Yeah, well, I can safely say: bullshit. You can feel the difference with it at the very moment you start playing. Everything feels different, and it's fucking good. Who else has the demo, and what do you think of it?

Well that whole boycott was bullshit with the things they actually requested but that is what sequels are they just improve on the the previous system and add various things.

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

Wow, you really are unpleasant with this whole thing, aren't you? How is what we think 'trying too hard'? I didn't say it didn't make sense, please don't put words in my mouth. But that, what you've said there, is the source of this all. Your 'common sense approach'? What exactly is that supposed to mean?

hys⋅ter⋅i⋅cal
irrational from fear, emotion, or an emotional shock.

I guess I could've said explain how what I said it 'irrational', but I thought not making sense was close enough, if not the exact same thing. I'm not putting words in your mouth.

Anyways, you still didn't dispute my statement you basically are asking me to say what I've already said. It's not COMPLETELY different, if it was it wouldn't be a first person shooter thats intense and requires teamwork, it would be a mellow puzzle game you do on your own. Now is it more clear what completely different means? Yay for you, gold star!

Common sense is hard to define, but basically if two things look similar and feel similar, they're not completely different. This is common sense, most people can recognize that while a red delicious and a golden delicious are different, they are not completely different as they are both apples. While Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2 are different, they are not completely different as they are both Left 4 Dead games, and essentially they play the same.

As for you guys 'trying to hard', you seem to be formulating your arguments with the hidden intent of slighting the boycotters in some way by stating "hey they believe this, but it's COMPLETELY something else". Even if they did believe that, its not completely different. AKA, you're trying too hard.

If you SERIOUSLY don't get this still then I'm not sure what to say to you. You're not my special project and I won't treat you as such. I have a lot of work to do as it is.

You really are fucking arrogant. Just because other people dare think that this is a great game, or that it's very different, and you think it warrants to you be sarcastic, rude, and above all just an asshole.
I didn't ask for a definition of common sense, genius. I asked why you believe your approach is common sense, and that everyone else seems to be going against common sense, i.e. that your opinion is superior. You seem to be taking 'completely different' way too literally. Of course it isn't 100% completely different down to not one single feature being repeated, it's a sequel. We don't mean it like that, we're not being that analytical with our speech to care.
I'm quite happy not to be the special project of someone as horribly arrogant as you, you go and do your work, even though that does raise the question of why you're even on here, arguing opinions with painful futility when real work needs to be done.

 

[Taerdin]

I agree, I have the demo as well, and I can say that it's a completely different game

Completely different? I think some of you are trying a little too hard here. Completely different would be like, a mellow puzzle game. It has new features but its essentially the same game. If it wasn't then they wouldn't call it Left 4 Dead

Why don't you wait for the demo to be available to the public before you say that (I'm not trying to be mean, but a lot has changed).

Why do I have to wait for the demo to go public? I have beaten the demo thoroughly already backwards and forwards, my friends and I even did a melee only run on expert, no guns allowed to be fired at all even while on the ground. I probably have more experience with it than you, but feel free to prove me wrong. Explain how L4D2 is more different from L4D than a mellow puzzle game, because apparently I need to wait for the demo to go public before I can say such a statement and it be true... or something (?)

 

[Nullphantom]

Currently downloading, I just like the fact that it's 1.69 GB. Hopefully it will provide me with some good entertainment for the rest of the day. I mean, I'm gonna be blowin the shit outta zombies, that sounds fun already

 

[JugglerPanda]

I'm a L4D freak, got all achivements on the first game including the Crash Course ones and I found that this one doesn't play THAT much differently, it's got a few new sweet additions here and there, their main gimmick the melee weapons are piss weak and ineffective on the higher difficulties, maybe it's because we haven't been given the better ones yet. Also the weapons are quite rubbish, the two types of basic gun have no fucking difference apart from looks (two shotguns, two submachine guns.) And the upgraded guns are just re skins of the ones from L4D1.

Also to go off on a rant, the demo is shit. The fucking online multiplayer (which I'll remind is what the the game is built around) barely works, I didn't get into a single game that wasn't either lagging like crazy or was full of fucking morons. And if you know anything about L4D playing with the bots is just not an option.

I still can't wait for the full thing when I can play the full campaigns in all their glory and kick some major ass in Versus with all the new Infected!

The guns are nowhere close to being just reskins.

Sniper Rifle- 30 rounds per clip, doesn't shoot through walls.
Hunting rifle- 15 rounds per clip, shoots through walls.

The shotguns I'll give you. The only difference between the 2 automatic shotguns is the range and rate of fire.

AK-47- High amount of damage per shot, incredibly inaccurate, medium clip size
3 round burst thingy- 3 round burst. Self-explanatory.
M16- Assault rifle from the previous game. Most well balanced of the guns.

They aren't exactly the most mind-blowingly amazing differences, but if you try to play expert while using the AK47 in the same way you'd use the M16, you'll go down very easily.

I don't know what L4D you were playing, but I prefer bots over randoms any day of the week. Bots don't friendly fire, bots don't run off on their own, bots can be meat shields, bots can be tank distractions, bots are very capable of getting you through the game on expert. I've completed The Parish on expert with bots way more often than I've completed it with randoms.

I don't know what was wrong with your multiplayer experiences connection wise. I haven't had a problem all week.

 

[Chunko]

I agree, I have the demo as well, and I can say that it's a completely different game

Completely different? I think some of you are trying a little too hard here. Completely different would be like, a mellow puzzle game. It has new features but its essentially the same game. If it wasn't then they wouldn't call it Left 4 Dead

Why don't you wait for the demo to be available to the public before you say that (I'm not trying to be mean, but a lot has changed).

Why do I have to wait for the demo to go public? I have beaten the demo thoroughly already backwards and forwards, my friends and I even did a melee only run on expert, no guns allowed to be fired at all even while on the ground. I probably have more experience with it than you, but feel free to prove me wrong. Explain how L4D2 is more different from L4D than a mellow puzzle game, because apparently I need to wait for the demo to go public before I can say such a statement and it be true... or something (?)

Sorry, I assumed you hadn't played the demo yet. I exaggerated when I said it was completely different, but a lot has changed. There is now a realism mode (I can't wait to see what that is) there are new infected classes, new weapons, new melee weapons, and a plot on top of all that. I would say that a lot has changed wouldn't you?