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woodaba said:
Plinglebob said:
I vote for Sentinal, and *big thumbs up* for eye of the tiger.
There really is no other choice for a training montage, is there?
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No, there really isn't. It's part of the law of the internet. breaking the law can cause consequences to never be the same.

so, by the way, has anyone played The Old Republic yet?
 

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CM156 said:
woodaba said:
Plinglebob said:
I vote for Sentinal, and *big thumbs up* for eye of the tiger.
There really is no other choice for a training montage, is there?
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No, there really isn't. It's part of the law of the internet. breaking the law can cause consequences to never be the same.

so, by the way, has anyone played The Old Republic yet?
Yes.

I've been playing MMOs since Ultima Online, and I have lamented the Everquest age ever since it began. I can honestly say that The Old Republic is the best WoW style MMO out there, in my opinion. The PvP is fun and refined, dungeons are entertaining because of the stories, and the quests are much better than your standard "Collect 100 Bear Arses" fare. It won't be many people's cup of tea, and I wish we had a proper KOTOR III, but, as it stands, TOR is a damn good game, and well worth the price of admission.
 

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woodaba said:
CM156 said:
woodaba said:
Plinglebob said:
I vote for Sentinal, and *big thumbs up* for eye of the tiger.
There really is no other choice for a training montage, is there?
'

No, there really isn't. It's part of the law of the internet. breaking the law can cause consequences to never be the same.

so, by the way, has anyone played The Old Republic yet?
Yes.

I've been playing MMOs since Ultima Online, and I have lamented the Everquest age ever since it began. I can honestly say that The Old Republic is the best WoW style MMO out there, in my opinion. The PvP is fun and refined, dungeons are entertaining because of the stories, and the quests are much better than your standard "Collect 100 Bear Arses" fare. It won't be many people's cup of tea, and I wish we had a proper KOTOR III, but, as it stands, TOR is a damn good game, and well worth the price of admission.
Ah, I see. A friend of mine, over break, is going to let me take a spin with it. While I don't think I have enough time to devote to an MMO, it looks like a fun game.

I think I'll be... A light side Sith Inquisitor
 

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My knowledge of KOTOR is a little hazy after all these years but...

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So if I remember correctly, aren't Bastilla and these jedi masters aware that the PC is revan? Does anyone else think its absolutely INSANE that they would retrain one of the most deadly threats to the order, especially when some of his past thoughts are now bubbling to the surface? Like, the mind wipe isn't fucking working! Ignoring the sheer moral implications of restructuring someone's mind to suit your purposes, retraining revan to become a jedi again seems so stupid in retrospect. Even if the PC seems like the last true hope against malak, this is a rash gamble of the highest order. These acts could have galaxy wide implications which can result in the return even greater dark lord than malak and the end of the republic(dark side ending anyone?). Are these really the same people who cautioned patience during the mandalorian wars? I swear every piece of star wars fiction makes the jedi council seem spineless like inept retards.
 

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Condiments said:
My knowledge of KOTOR is a little hazy after all these years but...

END KOTOR SPOILERS
So if I remember correctly, aren't Bastilla and these jedi masters aware that the PC is revan? Does anyone else think its absolutely INSANE that they would retrain one of the most deadly threats to the order, especially when some of his past thoughts are now bubbling to the surface? Like, the mind wipe isn't fucking working! Ignoring the sheer moral implications of restructuring someone's mind to suit your purposes, retraining revan to become a jedi again seems so stupid in retrospect. Even if the PC seems like the last true hope against malak, this is a rash gamble of the highest order. These acts could have galaxy wide implications which can result in the return even greater dark lord than malak and the end of the republic(dark side ending anyone?). Are these really the same people who cautioned patience during the mandalorian wars? I swear every piece of star wars fiction makes the jedi council seem spineless inept retards.
I think thats the point. They mindwiped Revan, partly because the Jedi don't kill their prisoners, and partly so they could hopefully turn him back to the light. They have no idea the mind-wipe is failing. Plus, the Old Republic era, comics, books, games, everything, all portray the order as a whimpering shadow of its soon-to-be self. They have become detached, aloof, arrogant. Its not until the order is reformed by the Lost Jedi (particularly Brianna and Visas), that the council truly becomes what it is origginally supposed to.
 

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woodaba said:
Condiments said:
My knowledge of KOTOR is a little hazy after all these years but...

END KOTOR SPOILERS
So if I remember correctly, aren't Bastilla and these jedi masters aware that the PC is revan? Does anyone else think its absolutely INSANE that they would retrain one of the most deadly threats to the order, especially when some of his past thoughts are now bubbling to the surface? Like, the mind wipe isn't fucking working! Ignoring the sheer moral implications of restructuring someone's mind to suit your purposes, retraining revan to become a jedi again seems so stupid in retrospect. Even if the PC seems like the last true hope against malak, this is a rash gamble of the highest order. These acts could have galaxy wide implications which can result in the return even greater dark lord than malak and the end of the republic(dark side ending anyone?). Are these really the same people who cautioned patience during the mandalorian wars? I swear every piece of star wars fiction makes the jedi council seem spineless inept retards.
I think thats the point. They mindwiped Revan, partly because the Jedi don't kill their prisoners, and partly so they could hopefully turn him back to the light. They have no idea the mind-wipe is failing. Plus, the Old Republic era, comics, books, games, everything, all portray the order as a whimpering shadow of its soon-to-be self. They have become detached, aloof, arrogant. Its not until the order is reformed by the Lost Jedi (particularly Brianna and Visas), that the council truly becomes what it is origginally supposed to.
I have a quick question: About how different is this game if you play light side, rather than what we're doing: Hitler crossed with Vlad the Impaler.
 

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I have a quick question: About how different is this game if you play light side, rather than what we're doing: Hitler crossed with Vlad the Impaler.
It affects it quite a bit, but not as much as you would think.

Companions never leave you of their own free will, and the consequences of your actions are not as pronounced as they are in, say, Mass Effect. But, the ending is DRASTICALLY different, and while it takes place in the same location, the final level has almost completely different events. Overall, I will say that that it's not done quite as well as in Mass Effect or Dragon Age, but that can mostly attributed to technology. It's definitely worth multiple playthroughs though.
 

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CM156 said:
I have a quick question: About how different is this game if you play light side, rather than what we're doing: Hitler crossed with Vlad the Impaler.
Korriban is quite different. It's a real treat for Dark Siders, though we'll see that in this thread at some point.

Some choices just affect who you will be fighting (or whether you'll need to fight anyone). There's little lasting effects from this until towards the very end of the game.

Another thing is that there are force powers that are considered inherently Dark Side or Light Side (as well as some neutral powers). So a few example of Dark Side powers: Force Lightning (everyone loves this one), Drain Life, and Kill (with is pretty much Vader's signature Force choke). Some Light Side ones: Heal, Stasis, Stun Droid, and Force Valor. Dark Side powers are pretty much all offensive, where Light Side ones are mostly buffing and healing (though Stun Droid is a good offensive power). Your alignment affects how efficient you are in using DS/LS powers.

So Dark Side powers will use up less Force Points (mana) for Varen, and Light Side powers will use up more Force Points. For Consulars, this gets to be less and less of a difference maker since they have a big enough mana pool and fast enough regeneration of it to be able to use whatever power they want indiscriminately. Guardians (who rely more on buffing powers anyway, so are better suited for Light Siders) need to monitor their Force usage more. Sentinels are in the of the two, naturally.
 

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You put more points in Wisdom, and Charisma than you did in Strength and Constitution. I say go Consular to make the most of that, and let your party members handle the rough-and-tumble while you (Sith) Lord over everything with your massive pool of force powers.
 

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C F said:
You put more points in Wisdom, and Charisma than you did in Strength and Constitution. I say go Consular to make the most of that, and let your party members handle the rough-and-tumble while you (Sith) Lord over everything with your massive pool of force powers.
 

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woodaba said:
Condiments said:
My knowledge of KOTOR is a little hazy after all these years but...

END KOTOR SPOILERS
So if I remember correctly, aren't Bastilla and these jedi masters aware that the PC is revan? Does anyone else think its absolutely INSANE that they would retrain one of the most deadly threats to the order, especially when some of his past thoughts are now bubbling to the surface? Like, the mind wipe isn't fucking working! Ignoring the sheer moral implications of restructuring someone's mind to suit your purposes, retraining revan to become a jedi again seems so stupid in retrospect. Even if the PC seems like the last true hope against malak, this is a rash gamble of the highest order. These acts could have galaxy wide implications which can result in the return even greater dark lord than malak and the end of the republic(dark side ending anyone?). Are these really the same people who cautioned patience during the mandalorian wars? I swear every piece of star wars fiction makes the jedi council seem spineless inept retards.
I think thats the point. They mindwiped Revan, partly because the Jedi don't kill their prisoners, and partly so they could hopefully turn him back to the light. They have no idea the mind-wipe is failing. Plus, the Old Republic era, comics, books, games, everything, all portray the order as a whimpering shadow of its soon-to-be self. They have become detached, aloof, arrogant. Its not until the order is reformed by the Lost Jedi (particularly Brianna and Visas), that the council truly becomes what it is origginally supposed to.
KOTOR spoilers

Well, there was that dream sequence that shows revan and malak finding the first star forge that you 'experience' through bastilla. That alone could signify the mind wipe might be beginning to fail, and that re-arming revan in the ways of the force could lessen the influence. I agree on the ineptitude of Jedi Council, but I feel that KOTOR 2 characterized the fatal flaws of the order than KOTOR 1. I enjoyed KOTOR 1, but watching that jedi training sequence in retrospect highlights some weaknesses in the narrative. Still a good game though.

Also I say go Consular. If you don't want that, go Sentinel.
 

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woodaba said:
KOTOR II always wins. Always. One thing that sucks about the "canon" way to play KOTOR II is the fact that the male way to play is far more interesting, story wise.
So true...I just want to "airlock" Disciple and play space soccer against another ship using his stupid head as the ball.

He's the only character in that game I really dislike.
Yeah, I wanted to kick Disciple in the junk the entire time too - except during combat. Sure, it may have been incredibly immature for me to break up laughing every time he'd shout "You have left me an opening!" (and he shouted it a lot) but that shit never got old ;)

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So, there are our options. Vote for the one you like, and the most popular class will be the one we play the rest of the game with. So, choose wisely, friends. I'll give you a few days to decide the fate of the galaxy. Until then, good luck, and may the force be with you.
My vote is for Consular - force powers bring the lulz :)
 

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Yeah, I wanted to kick Disciple in the junk the entire time too - except during combat. Sure, it may have been incredibly immature for me to break up laughing every time he'd shout "You have left me an opening!" (and he shouted it a lot) but that shit never got old ;)
...You have completely ruined whatever affection I still had for that character.

Thank you! /notsarcasm
 

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UPDATE 14: WARNING! CONTAINS IMPLIED ROBOT SEX

Contains no Mass Effect 3 spoilers. Probably one of three threads on the forum that can make that guarantee.

Last time, we began our Jedi training, and are about to choose our jedi-class. If you've had the foresight to read the comments, you might guess what kind of class we're going to end up with.



"I want my lightsaber, and godammit, I want to choke people with my mind. Tell me what I gotta do to get those things."





Its always three tests isn't it? Never two tests, or one, always three.

"All right, get on with it. What you got for me?"







"Woah, woah, woah. Fuck that. I've swotted up. I'm ready to take the test."





"There is only Sociopath- I mean, balance!"



"There are only suckers born every min-I mean, Knowledge! (God, I hope the Narrator doesn't run this joke into the ground...)"



"There is only Rule 34- I mean, there is serenity! (Goddamit!)"



"There is Harmony."



"There is the Force."





"God! Finally."







So, test one, done! Do a little tick! You can put that on your CV! Now, before we move on to the next test, I'd like to now why Master Vrook, one of the Jedi Council has such a beef with us.



"Here, I gotta question for you, asshole."



"Why are you always riding my ass?"

"Well, you had to pass your Jedi exams somehow, so...."

"NOT THAT! I mean, why do you keep criticizing me?"









"Hey, stop talking about Rebirth. We already have one uppity Sith Lord to kill, let's worry about another one until he bites the dust."





So, he seems pretty reasonable. At least he's sensible enough to distrust the panto villain that is our character. Let's continue our mission.





"What colors are there? Can I have Red? That seems pretty cool."

"No, we don't do red. Its sorta for evil people only."

"An evil color? Seriously? An evil color? Man, the black-and-white morality of everyone is getting ridiculous. What colors can I have?"







"Replace "end conflict" with "start conflict", "Balance to universe" with "Destroy universe and consume the powers of all those who live there in order to become a God and extinguish all life" the Consular sounds awesome."

"Holy shit. I'm starting to wonder who the real Big Bad is."

"Shut up, Carth."





"Talk to the thugs, find out why they are attacking her. Specifically, how much money she may have."





"Find out why he turned to the Dark Side, and try to turn him. So I can murder him, take his place, and take over the sith."





"Knock. To lull them into a false sense of security."

"You mean, the people you think are behind the door?"

"No, no, no. The door itself.

"I don't even know how that works, but..."





"Coordinate with the planetary government to identify the infiltrators. Then burn them."

"Burn who? The infiltrators?"

"Everyone."

"Who, specifically?"

"Everyone. With Nalpalm. And turbolasers. Burn the entire planet."

"Why would you do such a thing?"

"Well, I obviously need to kill the infiltrators. So the burning works there. But the Government may not find all the infiltrators, and therefore, may be incompetent. They deserve to burn as well. Obviously we need to deal with the sith, so burning works there too."

"And the innocent civilians?"

"Eh. There is no such thing as innocence. Only degrees of guilt."





"If only because, frankly, you terrify me, and I just want to give you what you want so you will leave me alone."

"Ah, the Neville Chamberlain approach to any given situation."



"Consular. Lemme choke some dudes!"





Ah, we finally officially become a Jedi. We get our new force meter, a Cure power, and Wound, a basic version of Darth Vader's famous choke. Every single skill also becomes a class skill, which is great, but a little overwhelming. As a rule of thumb, I tend to put one point in Persuade whenever I can, and my other points in a different skill each level. Again, build experts' heads are probably exploding right now, but it gets me through. Feel free to go nuts, though. :D





So, we go to build our Lightsaber. Cue the music!








Soon...



Bada-bing, Bada-boom! Here we go! Our Lightsaber! Finally! You knew it had to happen eventually, didn't you?



And there it is, the overused, fruedian, blade of pure awesome! Enjoy.







"Anything I need to know about these guys?"







"Bring it! I've got my Lightsaber! I can take on anything









Well, Kath Hounds are naturally viscous anyway, so I'm not really seeing a huge problem...

"What's causing this corruption?"



"You know more than you're telling me..."





"That is...ominous. Or are you referring to me? Because I'm pretty much screwed at this point."



Well, time to leave the Jedi Enclave for the first time in a while.



Here's Dantooine proper. It's really nice. How can you criticize a planet that has flying manta rays?

Plus, there is one damn good side quest here, we'll dedicate a whole update to it eventually.



We come across this guy called Nemo. Phht. Nemo? Seriously? I'm fine with Dorak, Gnost-Dural, and Plo Koon, but Nemo? That's just stupid.





"What's up with your name Ahab? Can't find the white whale?"

"Uh...wrong literary refrence, Varen."

"Shut up, Carth."



"What's that supposed to mean?"



"Oh, really? I'm a Jedi? Well, I WONDER WHAT GAVE THAT AWAY? Idiot. Yeah, why not. Of course the council is waiting for you. Hope you like getting disapointed!"





Well, that was pointless.





"We are Jedi. What we decide is always right. And by Jedi, I mean me."











"Dumb Broad."



That's one way to put it...





"Maybe you could make it worth my while."



"That, I can do. The planet may go with it, but I can guarantee, those Mandalorians will be gone."



"Oh god...ANOTHER person who needs me to grace their everyday monotony with my presence. Who is this companion?"







"Well, duh. Of course it's possible..."







A Shocking Revelation!

"...I think the puzzle pieces are falling into place. Could the door have been opened from the inside?"



"Oh...My...God. Varen. This woman...she...she's with the Borg! That's who she's talking about! OH, GOD! They're going to assimilate us all! Flee! Flee for your lives! The day of reckoning is finally upon us!"

"Shut up, Carth, you idiot. I should really take those Star Trek tapes off you."

"You will not touch my preciousssss!"

"(Sigh) Look, lady. Do you really expect me to run off, risking my life for a bloody droid?"





"Look, just say "dead". It's far easier to say than "passed-away", and it makes more grammatical sense."



...This woman REALLY wants her droid back, doesn't she? In a creepy way. A VERY creepy way.

"Ah! So you have a presciouness too! Me like you.

"Goddammit! Carth! SHUT UP!"

(SMACK)

"Woah, sorry their gorgeous. Think I went a bit insane there. Thanks for smacking me out of it with your beautiful hand."

"Ugh...I think I liked you better insane."



"You live alone with this...droid?"



Taking...care? Oh god, the implications get worse and worse!



"At a specific part of me, in fact."

"FUCK, NO! STOP! JESUS! NO MORE! I'll get your goddamn droid back, in exchange for some brain bleach so I can erase that image from my mind."



And so, we flee madly from the crazy woman.





...right into a path of the planet's local monstrous wildlife, the Kath Hounds that everyone's been mentioning. Time to test our Lightsaber and new force powers against these buggers!



Force powers work much the same as magic in pretty much every modern RPG, rather than the limited use style of most CRPGs up until this point. Pool of Force, recharges over time, using force powers drains force. The neat thing in this game is how they tie in the morality gauge into it. Basically, Light Side force users will be able to pull of Light Side Powers cheaper, and will find Dark Side powers more expensive to cast, and Vice Versa. Since aside from a few Anti-Droid abilities, Light Powers are all buffs and healing, the Dark Side is INCREDIBLY tempting for Consulars. Its one of the things I really love about this game. When playing light-side, I always go Consular, just to add a bit of temptation to the whole affair.



Anyway, we crush the impudent giant space dogs, and continue on to our objective. We'll explore this planet more on the side quest runaround.



"Canderous? What are you doing out here?"

"Oh, hey Varen. Your droid beat me at pazzak one too many times, so I had to go out here and murder something to keep my cool. But, since death follows you everywhere, I'll join up with you."



Fighting more Kath Hounds. These things are EVERYWHERE. It's a wonder there are people still alive on this planet.







"Carth is just a pussy, Canderous. Get used to it."











I love this little conversation, mainly because it shows just how interesting their culture is. They are like klingons, yes, but its a little more different than that. Mandalorians litterally do not care about land, power, resources, or politics. War is all they care about. War is all they know. They don't hate the other side, in fact, if they get a good fight out of it, they'll probably thank you! Canderous was pretty friendly towards Carth before he started turning the conversation on Canderous. Sadly, this fascinating culture is largely overlooked in this game, it's not until the sequel when they really show off their moves.



After fighting through many Kath Hounds, we finally reach the grove. Wait, what is that? Is that person the source of the corruption?

"Hey, asshole! What are you doing here?"









"I WILL BE YOUR DOOM!"





Oh...shit.

There will be a mini update tommorow, then on Wednesday, there will be a proper update. I'm going silent after that because Mass Effect 3 will take my life and consume it.

Question time! If you were a Jedi, what type would you be?

A) The Guardian, the lightsaber combatant and all around badass. See: Luke Skywalker

B) The Sentinel, the all-rounder with plenty of wit to boot. See: Darth Vader

C) The Consular, the force using type with wisdom aplenty. See Obi-Wan Kenobi

Personally, I'd become a sentinel, because Double-Lightsabers are awesome, and I'd like the versatility.
 

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I'd probably have to go Sentinel - that means I get to wield two lightsabers at once, right? That's always my favourite way to play these games.
 

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I'd get the ball rolling with Guardian, and then ((something you can do in KoTOR II: <color=#f7f7f7>class into the Consular's prestige version, a Jedi Master)).

Why? Guardians are teh l33t. We own everything with our unmatched saber skills. By the way, class doesn't dictate whether or not you dual-wield. Anybody can put points into the two-handed weapon feats to learn how to swing a double-bladed saber or two sabers at once. As a matter of fact, I'd say Guardians are more suited to do it than Sentinels are. Because again, we're the dedicated feat-performing saber swingers. With their middle-of-the-road approach, Sentinels are actually better suited to be skill-mongers. Consulars are naturally the wise Force-focused role. Skills, Feats, or Force Powers; pick your game and stick with it.

As I alluded to before, there are Prestige classes that are pumped up versions of the basic Jedi roles. At a certain point in KotOR II, you can choose one of these prestige classes to change your character into.

Guardian -> Jedi Weapon Master or Sith Marauder depending on alignment.
Sentinel -> Jedi Watchman or Sith Assassin depending on alignment.
Consular -> Jedi Master or Sith Lord depending on.. well, you get the idea.

Each class has the same progression in each area, but are granted additional freebies and have access to more special feats and powers. It also grants you an opportunity to swap career tracks. Like I said before, I'd get the ball rolling in the Guardian field to beef up my vitality and melee skills and pump up the feat list. But then I would class into a Jedi Master. Masters are Consulars, and share the same force power growths. I would keep all the stats, skills and abilities given to me as a Guardian, but instead of specializing in more feats and HP, my future level ups will be of the Consular persuasion instead.

That isn't particularly relevant to this game, though. It's just something I would do if I were a Jedi character.
 

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Hm, its a tough question. I'd probably be sentinel, due to loving lightsabers and the force equally.

Anyways good LP. If you want to do something a little different for this playthrough, you should look at the mod Brotherhood of Shadow: Solomon's Revenge(This link has serious spoilers for those who haven't experienced the storyline of KOTOR yet).(http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filefront.com/file/Brotherhood_of_Shadow_Solomons_Revenge;99985) Apparently its a 6+ hour "expansion" mod details:

KOTOR ENDING spoilers
Revan's involvement in the mandalorian wars after you learn your identity. Its pretty cool...