Let's Play: Knights of the Old Republic COMPLETE
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I see. Darth Sidious would be proud.woodaba said:
Also, I adopted some of the rats from my psych course. That's actually what my suitemates named one of them. Darth Sidious.
The force is strong in this one.
Why do I bring this up? Dunno.
Eh, Juhani is an effective combatant and all, but she's kind of annoying. And I think she kind of wants you to kill her. In fact, I think you could say she's yarning for it.woodaba said:
...I'm gonna go back to trying to save the galaxy. An interspecies army isn't gonna build itself.
If she wants you to kill her, the Dark Side choice is leaving her alive muahahac LET HER SUFFER.DustyDrB said:
That CAn'T have seemed like a good pun. If you did, I'd say you were felying to me.DustyDrB said:
Also, I may seem odd for this, but I don't like catgirls. And that's what she sorta looks like.
Just read the whole LP today and Varen would kill her so hard so do it! also i have never done that even though i always go dark side so i want to see if you really can. This is an awesome LP by the way
Update 15: Inspector Varen is on the case!
Well, it has been a while hasn't it? Mass Effect stole my life for a while, as it did with many others. But, updates should come more regularly from here on out, every two days hopefully. But you didn't come here to hear me ramble on, did you? No! You came here to hear me ramble on while playing a game. So, without further ado, let's get this show on the road!
Question Time! What game, in your opinion, had the best side-quests? For me it would probably be Fallout: New Vegas. That game has so many great side-quests, that if you took the main quest out, it probably wouldn't hurt the game all that much. There are so many factions to meet and join, and so many standout moments.
Well, it has been a while hasn't it? Mass Effect stole my life for a while, as it did with many others. But, updates should come more regularly from here on out, every two days hopefully. But you didn't come here to hear me ramble on, did you? No! You came here to hear me ramble on while playing a game. So, without further ado, let's get this show on the road!
Last time, we encountered a deranged Cat-Girl at a haunted grove.
"Just for that rudeness, I've decided to kill you."
Actually, no we don't. Juhani goes down with a single blow.
"Mess with the best, and you die with the rest."
On the corpse we find what we've all been waiting for.
"Oh, yeah. This is what I'm talking about. Killing that girl in cold blood was totally worth it. Well, to be honest, Evil is its own reward, but it's nice to have a little incentive every now and then."
A cool thing about KOTOR is the ability to teleport back to your home base at most occasions. Admittedly, one of the things people don't like about this game is that this reduces the feeling of bigness of the locations, but I like the convenience. There's a fine line between being overly simplistic coughSkyrimchough and needlessly obtuse coughUltima2cough, and this is one of the things that helps KOTOR straddle the line well.
Back at the Jedi Enclave, Canderous has something to say.
"Hey, Canderous, tell me about the Mandalorians. I remember killing one of you guys a while back, but I can't quite recall the details. I wanna know if he was badass enough to make me better than all of you faux-klingons."
"Is that why you attacked the republic?"
Foreshadowing!
A culture's teachings, and most importantly, the nature of its people, achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves... or find themselves lacking.
Oh, whoops, sorry. Kreia was monologueing so hard she broke the Space-Time continum. But, I think that pretty neatly sums up the Mandalorians. In order to challenge themselves, in order to test themselves, the Mandalorians engage in conflict. To them, it isn't about winning or losing, all they want is the fight itself. To that end, if they find someone who's able to hold their own against them, they tend to become enamored with them, to the point where it can be almost fanboy-esqe.
Sorry, I tend to ramble on about...well, anything. Where were we?
"Well, that definitely explains why you're a petty thug. Wait, no it doesn't. What the hell?"
I like Canderous. He's basically an old man lamenting at the state of the galaxy post-Mandalorian Wars, specifically his people. Sadly, Bioware doesn't really use this aspect of his character too well in this game, instead focusing on using him as a representative for the Mandalorian people. KOTOR II takes this theme and drags it as far as it will go. Again, a little balance is nice.
"I weep for all the necks that will remain unchoked, all the seals that will remain unclubbed, and most of all, the kittens that will remain un-burnt."
"I'm with you, man. Cats can suck it."
Soon, we arrive at the council room.
"Wait, Varen, maybe we should think this through."
"What? Why?"
"Well, we did just kill someone who didn't pose a threat. I reckon that's sorta frowned upon in the Jedi Order."
"Look, Carth, which one of us has a Lightsaber?"
"..."
"Exactly. Now shut your mouth, and let me do the talking."
Funny that you sent the comically evil person to save them then. Good Job, there.
"[Blatant Lies] Nope. Nuh uh. Not a bit. There wasn't a drop of redemption in that ball of fur."
"I'm also kind of glad. Furries creep me out."
After another lecture of course....(sigh)
Ok, this is one of the few times where I'll reveal what happens if you make another choice. If you redeem Juhani, its revealed that the Jedi actually orcheastrated Juhani's fall, all in order to teach you and her a lesson about the Dark Side.
...Wow. I mean, wow. That's not Jedi behaviour. That isn't even morally ambiguous! That's just plain evil! I've heard arguments that the ends justify the means, but thats a slippery slope. If the ends truly justify the means, is wiping out all life ok to create a truly peaceful world? No. The fact is, the Jedi were the people who set up Juhani's death. Varen just pulled the trigger.
We officially graduate from the Jedi Academy!
So, it's time to continue the plot. Finally! The Reapers-I mean-Malak's probably leveled half the galaxy by now.
"Unfortunately, Malak's already blown up Coruscant. And Tatooine. And Dantooine."
"Wait...we're on Dantooine."
"Yes. We've been dead all along."
"Gasp! But, Master Vandar!"
"I am not Master Vandar." (tears off face)
"My God..."
"M.NIGHT SHYAMALAN!"
"Varen? Varen! Snap out of it!"
"Wh-what happened?"
"You drifted off for a second."
"Whrr...I dreamed I was in a terrible ending."
"Worse than Mass Effect 3?"
"Well...maybe not THAT bad."
"Wait. What happened to the senior Jedi with much more experience that you sent to investigate ahead of me?"
"Great. Fantastic. This bloody Order justs gets better and better. I'm going now, before you dump any more foreshadowing on me."
Before we turn to leave, however...
"Like Alien Abduction. What? According to that shitty comic, that was how the Jedi Order was founded!"
"I shall write a strongly worded complaint to the local council. Ooh. Let's see them ignore me after that!"
"And by us, we mean you. Run along now. We have pies to eat."
We swap out Carth for Bastila, and Canderous for Zaalbar. I just want to point out that our Samurai Wookiee now has a double-bladed katana. If that isn't metal, I don't know what is.
OH GOD A FURRY KEEP HER AWAY KEEP HER AWAY
"Look, lady, I'm Chaotic Evil. It's how I roll. Besides, cats are bastards. If I could, I would euthanize every one of the little shits. Besides, why didn't YOU go to her if you loved her so much?"
I entirely agree, but I would say the Council are the bigger dicks in this instance. Someone being more evil than Varen? Shocking! Impossible!
"She was a cat."
"That's it! I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions!"
"Wait...what are you doing? Stop thaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
"Oh my god...Varen...you punched out all her blood."
"Never mind that. I punched her so hard SHE FELL OUT OF THE UNIVERSE!"
Outside the Jedi Academy, we come across a group of mandalorians harassing some guy.
The Mandalorian fires a shot so powerful it blows the man 50 feet away.
"HEY! MANDALORIANS! NO ONE EXTORTS OLD MEN BUT ME!"
An epic fight ensues, which lasts all of five seconds. The Mandalorian is a farely formidable opponent, but his duros buddies are squishy glass water pistols in comparison. A single frag grenade takes them out, and after two jedi and a wookiee samurai wails on the mandalorian for a bit, he falls fairly quickly too.
And so, we arrive at the Matale estate. We're doing some sidequests before we continue with the main one, simply because we're only coming back to Dantooine once, and then only for a couple minutes. Plus, this sidequest is one of the highlights of the evil playthrough.
"The Jedi Council sent me. Take me to your leader, Cylon dude."
A small army of droids begin marching out. Only one song can really do the scene justice.
Oh yeah. Personal Cylon Army? Fortress to keep them in? Armed to the teeth? No way this guy is going to be a villain.
"Maybe you should tell me what happened before making random accusations like a raving lunatic."
This crush is never elaborated upon. I've always assumed it was the Mandalorian Wars, but according to canon the wars never really got far from the outer rim. If there are any star wars nerds out there, I would appreciate it if you could elaborate on what this is. It feels like a massive gap in my nerdy trivia bank.
"So this Sandral has a personal Cylon army too? Oooh! The plot thickens. What happened to his Cylons?"
"I wonder if this Sandral guy is as much of a paranoid lunatic as you."
Obviously.
"Also, I have since learned that Nurik is a Milkman, and that he claims his milk is delicious. He is clearly a evil mastermid."
Anyone who gets that wins 5 internet points.
"You're jumping to conclusions. Though the Milkman theory is sound."
"Double that and you've got a deal."
"In order to construct ...The Device."
"The Device? What on earth is that?"
"You're not saying it right."
"What?"
"You're not saying it right. It's spelt, like, ellipses The Device."
"Oh. So, it's ...The Device?"
"Yes. There you go."
"So what is ...The Device?"
"I'll show you later. My original name for it was the Mass Shadow Generator, but it sounded too familiar."
So, unless we resolve the situation soon, the paranoid lunatic with an army of cylons is going to go on the warpath.
I say we faff around for a bit.
We head to the Sandral estate, however, we're interrupted by a fellow Jedi standing on a bridge.
"What the hell do you want?"
Sorting truth from lies? Sound like something you'll do through 90% of any given Obsidian game.
"What do you want me to do?"
"Besides, I have some pies I need to eat."
So, this is the pilot for CSI: Dantooine.
"Anything else I should know?"
"Don't worry. Inspector Varen is on the case!"
"You seem unusually energetic about this."
"Shut up, Carth."
Right well, I have a dillemma. See, this is a really fun quest to do ingame, but in LP form, I have my doubts. I have 200 screenshots, just talking to the same 4 characters, and it doesn't really go anywhere. That said, if you want to see it, I'm more than happy to go ahead with it.
"Just for that rudeness, I've decided to kill you."
Actually, no we don't. Juhani goes down with a single blow.
"Mess with the best, and you die with the rest."
On the corpse we find what we've all been waiting for.
"Oh, yeah. This is what I'm talking about. Killing that girl in cold blood was totally worth it. Well, to be honest, Evil is its own reward, but it's nice to have a little incentive every now and then."
A cool thing about KOTOR is the ability to teleport back to your home base at most occasions. Admittedly, one of the things people don't like about this game is that this reduces the feeling of bigness of the locations, but I like the convenience. There's a fine line between being overly simplistic coughSkyrimchough and needlessly obtuse coughUltima2cough, and this is one of the things that helps KOTOR straddle the line well.
Back at the Jedi Enclave, Canderous has something to say.
"Hey, Canderous, tell me about the Mandalorians. I remember killing one of you guys a while back, but I can't quite recall the details. I wanna know if he was badass enough to make me better than all of you faux-klingons."
"Is that why you attacked the republic?"
Foreshadowing!
A culture's teachings, and most importantly, the nature of its people, achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves... or find themselves lacking.
Oh, whoops, sorry. Kreia was monologueing so hard she broke the Space-Time continum. But, I think that pretty neatly sums up the Mandalorians. In order to challenge themselves, in order to test themselves, the Mandalorians engage in conflict. To them, it isn't about winning or losing, all they want is the fight itself. To that end, if they find someone who's able to hold their own against them, they tend to become enamored with them, to the point where it can be almost fanboy-esqe.
Sorry, I tend to ramble on about...well, anything. Where were we?
"Well, that definitely explains why you're a petty thug. Wait, no it doesn't. What the hell?"
I like Canderous. He's basically an old man lamenting at the state of the galaxy post-Mandalorian Wars, specifically his people. Sadly, Bioware doesn't really use this aspect of his character too well in this game, instead focusing on using him as a representative for the Mandalorian people. KOTOR II takes this theme and drags it as far as it will go. Again, a little balance is nice.
"I weep for all the necks that will remain unchoked, all the seals that will remain unclubbed, and most of all, the kittens that will remain un-burnt."
"I'm with you, man. Cats can suck it."
Soon, we arrive at the council room.
"Wait, Varen, maybe we should think this through."
"What? Why?"
"Well, we did just kill someone who didn't pose a threat. I reckon that's sorta frowned upon in the Jedi Order."
"Look, Carth, which one of us has a Lightsaber?"
"..."
"Exactly. Now shut your mouth, and let me do the talking."
Funny that you sent the comically evil person to save them then. Good Job, there.
"[Blatant Lies] Nope. Nuh uh. Not a bit. There wasn't a drop of redemption in that ball of fur."
"I'm also kind of glad. Furries creep me out."
After another lecture of course....(sigh)
Ok, this is one of the few times where I'll reveal what happens if you make another choice. If you redeem Juhani, its revealed that the Jedi actually orcheastrated Juhani's fall, all in order to teach you and her a lesson about the Dark Side.
...Wow. I mean, wow. That's not Jedi behaviour. That isn't even morally ambiguous! That's just plain evil! I've heard arguments that the ends justify the means, but thats a slippery slope. If the ends truly justify the means, is wiping out all life ok to create a truly peaceful world? No. The fact is, the Jedi were the people who set up Juhani's death. Varen just pulled the trigger.
We officially graduate from the Jedi Academy!
So, it's time to continue the plot. Finally! The Reapers-I mean-Malak's probably leveled half the galaxy by now.
"Unfortunately, Malak's already blown up Coruscant. And Tatooine. And Dantooine."
"Wait...we're on Dantooine."
"Yes. We've been dead all along."
"Gasp! But, Master Vandar!"
"I am not Master Vandar." (tears off face)
"My God..."
"M.NIGHT SHYAMALAN!"
"Varen? Varen! Snap out of it!"
"Wh-what happened?"
"You drifted off for a second."
"Whrr...I dreamed I was in a terrible ending."
"Worse than Mass Effect 3?"
"Well...maybe not THAT bad."
"Wait. What happened to the senior Jedi with much more experience that you sent to investigate ahead of me?"
"Great. Fantastic. This bloody Order justs gets better and better. I'm going now, before you dump any more foreshadowing on me."
Before we turn to leave, however...
"Like Alien Abduction. What? According to that shitty comic, that was how the Jedi Order was founded!"
"I shall write a strongly worded complaint to the local council. Ooh. Let's see them ignore me after that!"
"And by us, we mean you. Run along now. We have pies to eat."
We swap out Carth for Bastila, and Canderous for Zaalbar. I just want to point out that our Samurai Wookiee now has a double-bladed katana. If that isn't metal, I don't know what is.
OH GOD A FURRY KEEP HER AWAY KEEP HER AWAY
"Look, lady, I'm Chaotic Evil. It's how I roll. Besides, cats are bastards. If I could, I would euthanize every one of the little shits. Besides, why didn't YOU go to her if you loved her so much?"
I entirely agree, but I would say the Council are the bigger dicks in this instance. Someone being more evil than Varen? Shocking! Impossible!
"She was a cat."
"That's it! I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions!"
"Wait...what are you doing? Stop thaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
"Oh my god...Varen...you punched out all her blood."
"Never mind that. I punched her so hard SHE FELL OUT OF THE UNIVERSE!"
Outside the Jedi Academy, we come across a group of mandalorians harassing some guy.
The Mandalorian fires a shot so powerful it blows the man 50 feet away.
"HEY! MANDALORIANS! NO ONE EXTORTS OLD MEN BUT ME!"
An epic fight ensues, which lasts all of five seconds. The Mandalorian is a farely formidable opponent, but his duros buddies are squishy glass water pistols in comparison. A single frag grenade takes them out, and after two jedi and a wookiee samurai wails on the mandalorian for a bit, he falls fairly quickly too.
And so, we arrive at the Matale estate. We're doing some sidequests before we continue with the main one, simply because we're only coming back to Dantooine once, and then only for a couple minutes. Plus, this sidequest is one of the highlights of the evil playthrough.
"The Jedi Council sent me. Take me to your leader, Cylon dude."
A small army of droids begin marching out. Only one song can really do the scene justice.
Oh yeah. Personal Cylon Army? Fortress to keep them in? Armed to the teeth? No way this guy is going to be a villain.
"Maybe you should tell me what happened before making random accusations like a raving lunatic."
This crush is never elaborated upon. I've always assumed it was the Mandalorian Wars, but according to canon the wars never really got far from the outer rim. If there are any star wars nerds out there, I would appreciate it if you could elaborate on what this is. It feels like a massive gap in my nerdy trivia bank.
"So this Sandral has a personal Cylon army too? Oooh! The plot thickens. What happened to his Cylons?"
"I wonder if this Sandral guy is as much of a paranoid lunatic as you."
Obviously.
"Also, I have since learned that Nurik is a Milkman, and that he claims his milk is delicious. He is clearly a evil mastermid."
Anyone who gets that wins 5 internet points.
"You're jumping to conclusions. Though the Milkman theory is sound."
"Double that and you've got a deal."
"In order to construct ...The Device."
"The Device? What on earth is that?"
"You're not saying it right."
"What?"
"You're not saying it right. It's spelt, like, ellipses The Device."
"Oh. So, it's ...The Device?"
"Yes. There you go."
"So what is ...The Device?"
"I'll show you later. My original name for it was the Mass Shadow Generator, but it sounded too familiar."
So, unless we resolve the situation soon, the paranoid lunatic with an army of cylons is going to go on the warpath.
I say we faff around for a bit.
We head to the Sandral estate, however, we're interrupted by a fellow Jedi standing on a bridge.
"What the hell do you want?"
Sorting truth from lies? Sound like something you'll do through 90% of any given Obsidian game.
"What do you want me to do?"
"Besides, I have some pies I need to eat."
So, this is the pilot for CSI: Dantooine.
"Anything else I should know?"
"Don't worry. Inspector Varen is on the case!"
"You seem unusually energetic about this."
"Shut up, Carth."
Right well, I have a dillemma. See, this is a really fun quest to do ingame, but in LP form, I have my doubts. I have 200 screenshots, just talking to the same 4 characters, and it doesn't really go anywhere. That said, if you want to see it, I'm more than happy to go ahead with it.
Question Time! What game, in your opinion, had the best side-quests? For me it would probably be Fallout: New Vegas. That game has so many great side-quests, that if you took the main quest out, it probably wouldn't hurt the game all that much. There are so many factions to meet and join, and so many standout moments.
Make that three of us! Cats suck!woodaba said:
Second time we?re in agreement.
O.O
Wut
?And I shall not be afraid to use the word ?ninny? if needed!?
First off, that makes three times we agree.
Furthermore, I wonder: Does this imply what I think it does?
this? [http://www.bettyconfidential.com/ar/ld/a/husband-lives-on-wifes-breast-milk-why-because-its-delicious.html]
Perhaps not Storm of Zehir. That was mostly ?Those are snake dudes. Snake dudes bad. Kill snake dudes. Try capitalism as well!?
I really enjoyed Skyrim?s sidequests. Same goes for Dragon Age as well.
I really didn?t like them in the first mass effect game though.
It's the whole ME3 debacle, I thinkwoodaba said:
thank you very much.sage42 said:
OT i think you should show the case and i loved the fallout 3 side quests personally
I'm not even kidding. That was everyone's reaction.CM156 said:
Agreed. Aside from a few standouts, ME1's sidequests weren't all that interesting.CM156 said:
Oddly enough, I really did not like Skyrim's sidequests. The faction questlines felt like a step down from Oblivion (seriously, I think you steal, like, two things for the thieves guild), and most of the other quests were "HAY THAT CAVE HAS MONSTERS YOU SHOULD PROBABLY KILL THEM". The Daedric quests were as good as ever, though.
Not quite. Though that's pretty messed up.CM156 said:
Considering this guys characterisation, I just assumed he's like the grumpy old man who used to live on the edge of a town, but over the yearsurban crawl has mean he now lives in a built up area so moves away as "its too crowded here".woodaba said:
I'd say the Mass Effect series' companion quests.