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Keith Reedy said:
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Judgement101 said:
artanis_neravar said:
Camping is not noobish, or unfair in anyway, it is using a proper tactic of war and if you can't find a way to fight back against it then it's your own issue, everything else I agree with (depending on what you mean by noobish weapons)
By noobish halo weapons he is refering to the Sniper/Shotty combo.

uh what? the noob combo, is the plasma pistol+rifle, that is the death combo that is very easy to have walking around every map with ridiculous amounts of ammo for it. if you aren't anywhere near some kind of corner/pole immediately you will be hit by the auto lock and die near instantly after it.
artanis_neravar said:
Judgement101 said:
artanis_neravar said:
Judgement101 said:
artanis_neravar said:
Camping is not noobish, or unfair in anyway, it is using a proper tactic of war and if you can't find a way to fight back against it then it's your own issue, everything else I agree with (depending on what you mean by noobish weapons)
By noobish halo weapons he is refering to the Sniper/Shotty combo.
As long as he doesn't mean my pro pipe I'm fine with it
...Pro....pipe? May I ask what that is?
It's what I call the noob tube, partly because it actually requires skill to use efficiently, and it pisses people off
if you think the noob tube takes skill, what the fuck games are you playing? near every game i have played with it in it they either ban it from most servers/rooms or its highly frowned upon when used, its a near instantaneous death of splash damage
I've gotten servers shut down for banning use of it, and it takes skill to properly aim it to hit where you want, it takes skill to time it right to hit someone in the open.
It can be used in a newbish manner like just using it to one hit kill people when you should be using the gun. I will try to keep my bad grammar from offending you but being condescending and such tends to make me mad. Please just try to be polite about it. I'm sorry for my outburst.
I apologize if I came across as condescending that wasn't my intent at all. I also apologize for the let the adults talk comment.
 

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redisforever said:
Umm, could argue that chat spamming, or mic spamming could be unfair, as they distract other players from the game.
You do realise that pretty much every on-line game has a mute function that you literally only have to press two buttons to use I don't get people that complain about it when its that easy to solve the problem.
 

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gmaverick019 said:
artanis_neravar said:
gmaverick019 said:
Judgement101 said:
artanis_neravar said:
Camping is not noobish, or unfair in anyway, it is using a proper tactic of war and if you can't find a way to fight back against it then it's your own issue, everything else I agree with (depending on what you mean by noobish weapons)
By noobish halo weapons he is refering to the Sniper/Shotty combo.

uh what? the noob combo, is the plasma pistol+rifle, that is the death combo that is very easy to have walking around every map with ridiculous amounts of ammo for it. if you aren't anywhere near some kind of corner/pole immediately you will be hit by the auto lock and die near instantly after it.
artanis_neravar said:
Judgement101 said:
artanis_neravar said:
Judgement101 said:
artanis_neravar said:
Camping is not noobish, or unfair in anyway, it is using a proper tactic of war and if you can't find a way to fight back against it then it's your own issue, everything else I agree with (depending on what you mean by noobish weapons)
By noobish halo weapons he is refering to the Sniper/Shotty combo.
As long as he doesn't mean my pro pipe I'm fine with it
...Pro....pipe? May I ask what that is?
It's what I call the noob tube, partly because it actually requires skill to use efficiently, and it pisses people off
if you think the noob tube takes skill, what the fuck games are you playing? near every game i have played with it in it they either ban it from most servers/rooms or its highly frowned upon when used, its a near instantaneous death of splash damage
I've gotten servers shut down for banning use of it, and it takes skill to properly aim it to hit where you want, it takes skill to time it right to hit someone in the open.
you could say that about every single weapon, besides the fact that most weapons don't have SPLASH DAMAGE and they aren't a basic one hit kill unless in their very specific form, and once again, you have to directly HIT the person with that specified gun.

you've gotten servers shut down? their own servers? pah, yeah, fun fiction is fun, they don't just ban it because they feel like it, when weapons/things are banned in games, they are for certain reasons.
People rent these servers and still have to follow the rules set forth by the developers
 

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other than 5 and 6, the rest are legitimate strategies. It is a competitive game and you seem to be getting pissed at people for Maximizing their effectiveness without cheating; Last time I checked competitive Games aren't about giving the other players a sporting chance when you could easily whip their asses.

TBH I'd consider noob behavior to be someone NOT exploiting these things to their advantage and not having a strategy to deal with them...the very definition of a noob; Someone who is ineffective and ill prepared.
I agree with you in part but things lie noob tubes are game breaking because there is no effective way to counter them if someone has figured out where to aim so it hits your spawn everyone dies right at the start and if they have danger close on even if you have a blast shield you still die.So I personally don't think its a fair or legitimate strategy when there is no counter to it.
 

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artanis_neravar said:
Keith Reedy said:
artanis_neravar said:
Keith Reedy said:
True nuf' cheating ain't a tactic but it says a lot bout the sad little individuals that do it. Camping doesn't really bother me GRENADE B!@#%! Typically weapons aren't noobish even the newb tube serves a purpose, but weapons can be unbalanced like the models from mw2 cross map kills w a shot gun BullS@$t. Quick scoping varies by game in some it takes decent skill others were the aim assist basically puts it right were u want it, thats bad. dolphin diving when the hitbox issue occurs is really the same as clipping into a rock other wise its cool like in Blops were u actually do a cool dive.
There is a spell check for a reason, please use it. Also you have a full keyboard at your finger tips, please use it. (It is you not u)
Are you an English Teacher, If so then I understand. If not GET OF MY CASE I SHALL TYPE HOW I WANT! UUUUUUUUU U U U U
Are you five years old? If so I understand if not than go away and let the adults talk.
Dude seriously if he wants to use u instead of you its his choice not yours, tis not like your his mother.
 

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artanis_neravar said:
Camping is not noobish, or unfair in anyway, it is using a proper tactic of war and if you can't find a way to fight back against it then it's your own issue, everything else I agree with (depending on what you mean by noobish weapons)
This.

Camping has always been legit from the start. There's a reason you got those grenades or rockets, you know.
 

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coolman9899 said:
artanis_neravar said:
Keith Reedy said:
artanis_neravar said:
Keith Reedy said:
True nuf' cheating ain't a tactic but it says a lot bout the sad little individuals that do it. Camping doesn't really bother me GRENADE B!@#%! Typically weapons aren't noobish even the newb tube serves a purpose, but weapons can be unbalanced like the models from mw2 cross map kills w a shot gun BullS@$t. Quick scoping varies by game in some it takes decent skill others were the aim assist basically puts it right were u want it, thats bad. dolphin diving when the hitbox issue occurs is really the same as clipping into a rock other wise its cool like in Blops were u actually do a cool dive.
There is a spell check for a reason, please use it. Also you have a full keyboard at your finger tips, please use it. (It is you not u)
Are you an English Teacher, If so then I understand. If not GET OF MY CASE I SHALL TYPE HOW I WANT! UUUUUUUUU U U U U
Are you five years old? If so I understand if not than go away and let the adults talk.
Dude seriously if he wants to use u instead of you its his choice not yours, tis not like your his mother.
Dude seriously if I want to correct him it's my choice not yours, it's not like you're my mother.
 

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1-4 are totally fine. Camping means you won't come across as many people and won't get as many opportunities to kill somebody plus it means you're predictable. Quickscoping/noscoping is entirely based on luck unless you're ridiculously skilled and even then you have a huge disadvantage at close range where a quick AR or SMG burst will usually best them. Dropshotting just makes sense as you're making yourself a smaller target and able to fire more accurately. The hit markers however are a glitch. Overpowered weapons are normally limited by ammo or in some way to counter their power.
 

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artanis_neravar said:
coolman9899 said:
artanis_neravar said:
Keith Reedy said:
artanis_neravar said:
Keith Reedy said:
True nuf' cheating ain't a tactic but it says a lot bout the sad little individuals that do it. Camping doesn't really bother me GRENADE B!@#%! Typically weapons aren't noobish even the newb tube serves a purpose, but weapons can be unbalanced like the models from mw2 cross map kills w a shot gun BullS@$t. Quick scoping varies by game in some it takes decent skill others were the aim assist basically puts it right were u want it, thats bad. dolphin diving when the hitbox issue occurs is really the same as clipping into a rock other wise its cool like in Blops were u actually do a cool dive.
There is a spell check for a reason, please use it. Also you have a full keyboard at your finger tips, please use it. (It is you not u)
Are you an English Teacher, If so then I understand. If not GET OF MY CASE I SHALL TYPE HOW I WANT! UUUUUUUUU U U U U
Are you five years old? If so I understand if not than go away and let the adults talk.
Dude seriously if he wants to use u instead of you its his choice not yours, tis not like your his mother.
Dude seriously if I want to correct him it's my choice not yours, it's not like you're my mother.
Ha, we're cool I just took it wrong, happens when you don't have any body language or vocal tone to go by.
 

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Grabbin Keelz said:
Nick Stackware said:
redisforever said:
Umm, could argue that chat spamming, or mic spamming could be unfair, as they distract other players from the game.
The "mute" button can fix that so I don't think it counts.
In that case, there's a way to negate all of the other tactics, the quit button.
Mute still lets you, y'know, play the game.
 

artanis_neravar

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Keith Reedy said:
artanis_neravar said:
coolman9899 said:
artanis_neravar said:
Keith Reedy said:
artanis_neravar said:
Keith Reedy said:
True nuf' cheating ain't a tactic but it says a lot bout the sad little individuals that do it. Camping doesn't really bother me GRENADE B!@#%! Typically weapons aren't noobish even the newb tube serves a purpose, but weapons can be unbalanced like the models from mw2 cross map kills w a shot gun BullS@$t. Quick scoping varies by game in some it takes decent skill others were the aim assist basically puts it right were u want it, thats bad. dolphin diving when the hitbox issue occurs is really the same as clipping into a rock other wise its cool like in Blops were u actually do a cool dive.
There is a spell check for a reason, please use it. Also you have a full keyboard at your finger tips, please use it. (It is you not u)
Are you an English Teacher, If so then I understand. If not GET OF MY CASE I SHALL TYPE HOW I WANT! UUUUUUUUU U U U U
Are you five years old? If so I understand if not than go away and let the adults talk.
Dude seriously if he wants to use u instead of you its his choice not yours, tis not like your his mother.
Dude seriously if I want to correct him it's my choice not yours, it's not like you're my mother.
Ha, we're cool I just took it wrong, happens when you don't have any body language or vocal tone to go by.
Oh, I know how that is, I've gotten in a lot of trouble for that exact same thing.
 

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Keith Reedy said:
artanis_neravar said:
coolman9899 said:
artanis_neravar said:
Keith Reedy said:
artanis_neravar said:
Keith Reedy said:
True nuf' cheating ain't a tactic but it says a lot bout the sad little individuals that do it. Camping doesn't really bother me GRENADE B!@#%! Typically weapons aren't noobish even the newb tube serves a purpose, but weapons can be unbalanced like the models from mw2 cross map kills w a shot gun BullS@$t. Quick scoping varies by game in some it takes decent skill others were the aim assist basically puts it right were u want it, thats bad. dolphin diving when the hitbox issue occurs is really the same as clipping into a rock other wise its cool like in Blops were u actually do a cool dive.
There is a spell check for a reason, please use it. Also you have a full keyboard at your finger tips, please use it. (It is you not u)
Are you an English Teacher, If so then I understand. If not GET OF MY CASE I SHALL TYPE HOW I WANT! UUUUUUUUU U U U U
Are you five years old? If so I understand if not than go away and let the adults talk.
Dude seriously if he wants to use u instead of you its his choice not yours, tis not like your his mother.
Dude seriously if I want to correct him it's my choice not yours, it's not like you're my mother.
Ha, we're cool I just took it wrong, happens when you don't have any body language or vocal tone to go by.
meh. Okay
 
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artanis_neravar said:
gmaverick019 said:
artanis_neravar said:
gmaverick019 said:
Judgement101 said:
artanis_neravar said:
Camping is not noobish, or unfair in anyway, it is using a proper tactic of war and if you can't find a way to fight back against it then it's your own issue, everything else I agree with (depending on what you mean by noobish weapons)
By noobish halo weapons he is refering to the Sniper/Shotty combo.

uh what? the noob combo, is the plasma pistol+rifle, that is the death combo that is very easy to have walking around every map with ridiculous amounts of ammo for it. if you aren't anywhere near some kind of corner/pole immediately you will be hit by the auto lock and die near instantly after it.
artanis_neravar said:
Judgement101 said:
artanis_neravar said:
Judgement101 said:
artanis_neravar said:
Camping is not noobish, or unfair in anyway, it is using a proper tactic of war and if you can't find a way to fight back against it then it's your own issue, everything else I agree with (depending on what you mean by noobish weapons)
By noobish halo weapons he is refering to the Sniper/Shotty combo.
As long as he doesn't mean my pro pipe I'm fine with it
...Pro....pipe? May I ask what that is?
It's what I call the noob tube, partly because it actually requires skill to use efficiently, and it pisses people off
if you think the noob tube takes skill, what the fuck games are you playing? near every game i have played with it in it they either ban it from most servers/rooms or its highly frowned upon when used, its a near instantaneous death of splash damage
I've gotten servers shut down for banning use of it, and it takes skill to properly aim it to hit where you want, it takes skill to time it right to hit someone in the open.
you could say that about every single weapon, besides the fact that most weapons don't have SPLASH DAMAGE and they aren't a basic one hit kill unless in their very specific form, and once again, you have to directly HIT the person with that specified gun.

you've gotten servers shut down? their own servers? pah, yeah, fun fiction is fun, they don't just ban it because they feel like it, when weapons/things are banned in games, they are for certain reasons.
People rent these servers and still have to follow the rules set forth by the developers
that doesn't disregard the fact that people still name the rooms specifically for that purpose and boot you for that exact purpose, whether they lock it from actual play or kick you for using it it's still the same purpose. I have played multiple games where you couldn't even "rent" servers and they would still apply those rules.

and have you never been to any tournaments before? (not that its a bad thing) but they ban lots of varieties of weapons for OP purposes, but most of the time the noob tube is high up on that list of banned items
 

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The Mighty Thesaurus said:
The only one of these things I have a problem with is hacking (I'm fine with glitches)
Seriously, you're fine with someone glitching into a rock and killing you, and you can't shoot them back.
 

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why do sniper rifles kill in one shot anyway? i always thought that should be reserved for headshots and a sniper rifle should just be the easiest way to headshot people on med/long range.


i am ok with everything but hacking on that list, imbalanced weapons and glitches should be fixed by the developers and everything else is annoying at most but not game breaking.
 

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Ninjat_126 said:
Ninjat_126's List of "Noobish", Unfair and Game-Breaking FPS Tactics

1) Camping
Sure, you might be having fun with your high powered sniper and your dark corner. But we're hating you right now.
NB: This mostly only applies in TDM and FFA game modes.



2) Quickscoping/Noscoping

A quick/no-scoper can get off a single shot in the time it takes most SMG/AR users to fire a single shot. However, the no-scoper's single shot will kill you if it connects, unlike the other player's gun which takes multiple shots.
NB: This is technically a legitimate strategy and at least puts you on the battlefield with the rest of us mere mortals, unlike camping.



3) Dolphin-Diving/Drop-Shotting

If your hitbox drops to a crouch/prone before your character model does, you'll have to be really unlucky to find someone who can hit you. Fairly common in the Battlefield games.
NB: Not all games have this hitbox problem and the hitbox is actually in sync with the player model. In which case, this is just another bullet avoidance technique.



4) "Noobish" Weapons

Using weapons that are unbalanced, overpowered or just plain unfair will help you get kills, but won't help you make friends. Examples include the "Noob Combo" from Halo.
NB: These are the sort of things that will generally get patched rather quickly, or fixed in sequels.


5) Glitch Exploiting

Glitch abuse includes noclipping into rocks, climbing the skybox and basically exploiting any loophole they can.
NB: These aren't meant to be in the game. If you find a way to hide inside the rock, don't.


6) Hacking

The Holy Grail of players being complete assholes. Granting you unlimited ammo, homing bullets, indestructible skin and the like, as well as cheating everyone else out of a fair game.
NB: Players caught doing this will usually be banned or have their accounts deleted.

I just posted this on the Bethesda forums, wondering if our fine community of Escapists have anything to add or correct.


EDIT: By "Noobish Weapons", I mean things like an Assault Rifle in a World War 1 game. Unbalanced, a bit out of place and completely unfair to anyone trying to play the game with anything else.

EDIT 2: I'm judging this from the point of view of someone out to play some games and have fun, not someone trying to get a huge K/D and a spot on the leaderboards. In my personal opinion, FPS games are more fun when everyone mixes up their tactics and weapons a bit, rather than sticking with whatever they think is the best and kill-farming.
In response to the original post and the edits.

On Camping: Strategy is legitimate. If you have your head up, bear in mind that tight locations and choke points likely are tented, and keep a quick kill weapon handy, campers are very easily dispatched. If you keep running into an area you know is camped then there is no one to blame for your demise but you. The game isn't broken, that's just one small piece of a larger map and a larger fight, you can avoid that spot or roundabout to get a drop on camper. Play smart and you might get hit by a camper a few times but by and large you'll beat them.

On Quick/No Scoping: Listing something like this as unfair or game breaking is silly. It takes either a ton of luck to pull this trick off or the player has practiced it to a fine skill. Either way it tends to be inefficient compared to traditional tactics. The only player I found that actually made this strategy kind of work effectively was using an aim bot (Intervention MWF2) and even then he got his clock cleaned by end game.

On Crouch/Diving: So you would rather I stay standing and dine upon every bullet you sling my way? Again there are lots of ways around this if you are bugged enough by it to make a rant post. I do this myself the and field is fairly even against some who is using the same tactic. If you are adverse to a Commando control setting then just walk your sight up the target when shooting, if they crouch they invite a head shot.

Noobish Weapons: Provided the game is in balance then there is no reason to complain about this. It may surprise you but there were automatic weapons in use during the first World War, most filled the LMG roll with a few precursors to modern assault rifels showing up towards then end. If you spend enough time playing an FPS with a weapon you like and that works well for you then really there are not any weapons you can't over come. Again providing the game is in balance (side note: if all the weapons at the highest level were just a re-skin of low level weapons there really wouldn't be any incentive to acquire those weapons).

You final two points: We can all get behind exploits and glitches being resolved so that people can play the game as it was supposed to be played. As far as the post goes the first three points were in regards to actual behavior and play of the game and the final two are issues with exploitation. If you have specific issues with hackers then that would be something for the game producers forum.

In closing please try and be open minded about your play-style. We are playing these games for fun but if common tactics and behavior get you bent out of shape I would recommend either finishing the game or quitting the match, remove the disk, and insert a game that doesn't aggravate you. If your open to it ask players that top the KDR (even if you don't aspire to be among them) how they respond to a given situation. Odds are they'll give you a specific tip to avoid a problem or get around a weapon raining hell on the field. Thank you and have a nice day.
 

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Ninjat_126 said:
Ninjat_126's List of "Noobish", Unfair and Game-Breaking FPS Tactics

1) Camping
Sure, you might be having fun with your high powered sniper and your dark corner. But we're hating you right now.
NB: This mostly only applies in TDM and FFA game modes.
It's legitimate in games where spawn-camping isn't the default strategy (Halo, America's Army, I'm looking at you). Spawn-camping is simple griefing because there is no way to stop it short of them running out of ammo. Under those circumstances there is no competition, and thus no game.

2) Quickscoping/Noscoping

A quick/no-scoper can get off a single shot in the time it takes most SMG/AR users to fire a single shot. However, the no-scoper's single shot will kill you if it connects, unlike the other player's gun which takes multiple shots.
NB: This is technically a legitimate strategy and at least puts you on the battlefield with the rest of us mere mortals, unlike camping.
Only applies to games with shitty weapon balancing. The most broken no-scope weapon was ironically one of the first to exhibit this behavior: The UT99 Sniper Rifle.

Those are the only items on the list I had any comment on.
 

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I generally feel that the only "cheap" form of camping is to camp near an enemy spawn point so that you kill them the moment they appear, before they can even get their bearings. The reason I consider that "cheap" is because there's no counter to it, short of having sentries around the spawn points, and it's completely unrealistic since people don't generally teleport into battles yet (unless they have chainswords and yell "FOR THE EMPEROR!" a lot, and even they don't trust teleporters very much). Still, developers can put a stop to this tactic if they really want to. Either allow players to drop an artillery barrage on their spawn point just before appearing, or allow a few seconds of invincibility upon a respawn. Snipers who "camp" are doing what snipers are supposed to be doing: preventing the enemy from advancing through an area and picking off the enemy as when opportunity allows it.

As for MW2's notorious Noob Tube... What's stopping you from using it yourself?