Man kills newborn daughter because he couldn't afford to keep her

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T-Bone24

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What a horrible, horrible human being. There exists far less gruesome ways to "take care" of a baby, the least of which is just putting it up for adoption. Goodness me.

And please, no one say that this makes them "lose faith in humanity", because I can see it coming.
 

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the guy is still a piece of trash for doing what he did given the options available to him. The mother, well, she let it happen. I feel no sorrow for the adults in question.
 

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The Plunk said:
This kind of thing is probably very common in 3rd world countries, but when it happens in a place like America, people suddenly treat it like it's something that never happens.

The woman should have got an abortion long before the baby was "sentient" so to speak.

However, and I'm gonna be hated for saying this, I don't think this guy should be charged as harshly as if he'd killed a grown child or adult. It's only a newborn baby it's not got any real feelings or emotions the same as, say, a 1 year old does.
Believe it or not, I can kind of see where you're coming from.

We tend to get very attached and emotional (reasonably so) when the death of a human, of any kind, is involved. But if you want to take that to its full extreme, truly considering death in every scenario, think about the millions of sperm killed in every ejaculation. In a way, every one of them is human. Think of the aborted babies, done so to try to avoid causing pain to a number of people. Think of every animal hunted down by a predator and torn apart for meat with its heart still beating. Think of all the starving children in Africa who die by the minute.

If you REALLY want to consider death in all its forms, you'd be thinking on that a long time, and wouldn't be able to sleep.

The only logical reduction I take to keep our sanity is that we only grieve specifically for the loss of something we value. When a child is born, we see potential; not instantaneous value in them. We become proud of their growth, their accomplishments; learning to walk, learning to speak, learning to read and write - when they grow older, their intelligence, their creativity, everything that makes them unique. That's why when a teenager is killed crossing the street by a texting driver, we are horribly ashamed. He was on his way to becoming great, and had already accomplished a lot, made friends, etc. Many people had sacrificed to ensure this man would succeed in life, and now all of that is cut short.

Unfortunately, I have to say that it seems to me like life, on its own, is not very precious. It takes one solid screwing, then nearly a year of being careful with one's womb. It's what we do with life that makes it valuable.

I would not go to any extreme lengths to defend this man; he knows what he did, and should certainly spend serious time. Just trying to bring up something to think about. Unless the baby suffered, I wouldn't see a very strong difference between this and abortion.
 

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I sort of understand his intentions though I don't agree with them, but by dropping a cinder block on her head? Jesus could he not find a more humane way to do it?
 

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Mackheath said:
SUPA FRANKY said:
Fair enough. This sort of attitude really won't make you any new friends, howerver.
There are some things I care about. As well as some people. A dead kid I never knew nor met isn't part of that criteria.

I'm sorry if I offend, but I honestly don't feel anything. Should I lie just to make you feel better and join with the masses? No. It goes against what I believe in, which is this; speak your mind, even if people won't like it.
I'm fine with that. But I also believe in there's a time and place for everything. This isn't the time and place for saying something like that.

But I understand I guess. You have that right.
 

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Markgraf said:
And yet nobody frowns upon abortion, even though this is exactly the same thing.
Not really - this is far worse, as the child had been born and was capable of surviving outside of the controlled environment of the womb. Abortion, in the first trimester, is not on the same scale as this (let's leave out late-trimester and partial-birth abortions, shall we?)
 

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THIS is the most immoral thing I've ever done in a video game!

OT: (whatever the topic may be now) I think abortion is probably much more helpful for society.

Someone who needs an abortion is not likely someone who wants to be a parent and such won't treat their child very well. Things like this lead to the child growing up without a good head-think-ma-bob to steer them correctly and end up as criminals or even serial killers.

This man could have been one.

Whereas people who want to have children will love them accordingly and bring them up well, and these are the people who are more likely to cure cancer.
 

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ShakyFt Slasher said:
The66Monkey said:
"Well at least she didn't have an abortion" i hear god say
Actually this is far worse than abortion...
... you really didn't get that?

Markgraf said:
And yet nobody frowns upon abortion, even though this is exactly the same thing.
It actually hurts my head how stupid this statement is. And no, I'm not going to explain that, because I fail to believe that you're so moronic that you actually believe what you've said.

OT: What the fuck? Guy's clearly got something wrong with him.
 

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As far as I'm concerned, if you kill a baby you're either irredeemably stupid, so messed up you're hardly classified as a human, and a human version of scum. Yeah, it's harsh, but there's this crazy new thing called "adoption" which kind of averts the whole DROP A FREAKING CINDER BLOCK ON A BABY'S HEAD YOU MONSTER . Hell, I'm against abortion but I'd MUCH prefer that than what that sick idiot did. I get angry enough when I hear people are having abortions left and right, but this is much too far. I hope there is a very long jail term for this. God, I usually try to see both sides of the story to be fair, but when you drop a CINDERBLOCK on a BABY, then you've gone too far. Ugh, now I need to watch five hours straight of ponies and sunshines to forget about that.
 

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Jesus Christ, a cinderblock?

I actually got nothing to say about that. The crime speaks for itself.
 

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I... got nothing.

I'm sure some people will be outraged at what I'm going to say, but the baby did not influence anyone's life except those who made it. Its worth was less than neutral, so its death is acceptable. Once concieved, a life can be as easily ended provided it has not affected anyone else. To me, at least.
It also looked like a quick death. I'm pretty sure dropping a huge brick on an infant's head would kill it instantly.
I actually agree with this, maybe i'm just an asshole but this doesn't really bother me.

I have always thought that it was a families choice on whether they want kids, and if the family chooses they don't it's acceptable to end the life quickly. Legally they lose that right at birth, but to me those few hours don't really matter that much.

If the kid was a few months old alright bad, 5 years old WTF too late, but only a few hours old if even? Well fine, I sure as hell don't want to raise him.
 

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solidsnake101023 said:
full story http://sandrarose.com/2011/06/man-drops-cinderblock-on-newborn-because-he-couldnt-afford-to-keep-her/

Summary - Man from northern Pennsylvania couldn't afford to keep his newborn baby. His wife ended up having her baby in her car in the parking lot of a super market and the husband told her that he would "take care of it". He ended up taking the baby to his job and killing it by dropping a cinder block on its head.

disscusion any thoughts on this
She was his girlfriend, not his wife. Just 'cause they have a kid together doesn't mean they're married.

As for the article, another couple of sociopaths in the world; I guess with close to seven billion of us now there are bound to be a few bad ones. I'm glad the kid seemed to die quickly and that the man won't be hurting anyone else.
 

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This is so fucked up! He should have killed the baby when it was still in the womb like a normal civilized person!

/facetiousness
 

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Katana314 said:
The Plunk said:
This kind of thing is probably very common in 3rd world countries, but when it happens in a place like America, people suddenly treat it like it's something that never happens.

The woman should have got an abortion long before the baby was "sentient" so to speak.

However, and I'm gonna be hated for saying this, I don't think this guy should be charged as harshly as if he'd killed a grown child or adult. It's only a newborn baby it's not got any real feelings or emotions the same as, say, a 1 year old does.
Believe it or not, I can kind of see where you're coming from.

We tend to get very attached and emotional (reasonably so) when the death of a human, of any kind, is involved. But if you want to take that to its full extreme, truly considering death in every scenario, think about the millions of sperm killed in every ejaculation. In a way, every one of them is human. Think of the aborted babies, done so to try to avoid causing pain to a number of people. Think of every animal hunted down by a predator and torn apart for meat with its heart still beating. Think of all the starving children in Africa who die by the minute.

If you REALLY want to consider death in all its forms, you'd be thinking on that a long time, and wouldn't be able to sleep.

The only logical reduction I take to keep our sanity is that we only grieve specifically for the loss of something we value. When a child is born, we see potential; not instantaneous value in them. We become proud of their growth, their accomplishments; learning to walk, learning to speak, learning to read and write - when they grow older, their intelligence, their creativity, everything that makes them unique. That's why when a teenager is killed crossing the street by a texting driver, we are horribly ashamed. He was on his way to becoming great, and had already accomplished a lot, made friends, etc. Many people had sacrificed to ensure this man would succeed in life, and now all of that is cut short.

Unfortunately, I have to say that it seems to me like life, on its own, is not very precious. It takes one solid screwing, then nearly a year of being careful with one's womb. It's what we do with life that makes it valuable.

I would not go to any extreme lengths to defend this man; he knows what he did, and should certainly spend serious time. Just trying to bring up something to think about. Unless the baby suffered, I wouldn't see a very strong difference between this and abortion.
From a distance, a newborn baby might seem little more than a fetus. However I remember the day a number of years again when my young sister was born, even though I was barely into adolencence at the time she was still the cutest and most beautiful thing I had ever seen from the moment I first saw her face and still is now. It's not something you can really understand until you have a baby born into your family when you're old enough to no-longer really be a child yourself but when you hold it in your arms there's something indescribly precious about a newborn, something which this sick murderer didn't understand.
 

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Of all the stupid fucking things I heard in my short life, this is the dumbest hands down. Never in my life have I want to scream, cry and pretty much strangle another human being.

While, the other choice is not really that good(abortion) I believe he could of given it up for adoption. Fuck here is abetter idea! DON'T HAVE BLOODY SEX! THAT'S SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA HUH?

I swear, the more I hear of other people. The more I see nothing but nightmares in them. I need to go somewhere, excuse me.