Man shoots up Gym in Penn. Killing 3 then himself. THIS is what was going through his mind.

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ElephantGuts

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Well...why couldn't he get a girlfriend? Is this something that might happen to me? I can't see myself having a girlfriend any time soon either. If he even tried and failed, how am I supposed to do any better? Oh God. I'm going to snap and kill a bunch of people. But I don't want to.
 

SimpleChimp

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What i keep seeing as i read this thread is that people "don't understand why he killed innocent strangers"

Their is a point when people come to a conclusion that their own life is worthless, they can then easily connect every one elses life as worthless. He even says that god and jesus would forgive his sins because Jesus died for sins. He did no value human life, well maybe not human life but he certainly didn't value a Female's life.

Every one that doesn't believe you should take another persons life obviously values life as something priceless. If you look at genocides and attrocities, or just at Gitmo, once a person or a group of people stop carrying about the value of anothers life, they don't see them as human or as being on par with their own self worth.

It is safe to say all those that dont understand why he would kill strangers will probably never murder an individual. It is also pretty self evident that any one thinking along my line of reasoning is probably a warning flag. Once some one stops thinking of life as sacred and starts thinking of life as a tally (like Stalin), it becomes easier and easier to take lives and not care.


On a side note, i don't understand how people go postal and bring three guns, yet only end up killing three people. I guess this is rather morbid of me, but i would think that a man with that much planning would atleast try to maximize his casualty count before taking his own life.

This also brings up the point that if he did value lives, and he used the act as a marker, a way to be remembered, or as a shocking spectacle, then the victims gain a purpose. Possibly he wanted to be a warning flag, a martyr of sorts. A monument to humanities cruelty and the twisting perversions of society and "love". It would give him a reason to make a grisly last stand as a way to be remembered, as a warning. It could also explain the journal.

But i am pretty sure it was just the collapsing of his own mind and value of life. . .
 

TriggerUnhappy

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Xojins said:
I feel badly for him. It's weird though because many of the thoughts he shared go through my mind a lot. Perhaps I'm crazy, but I don't think I am.

Edit: Not talking about the suicidal/homicidal aspects.
You're not the only one, kind of chilling to hear your own thoughts echoed by someone that's done such horrible things, and makes you question yourself.
 

Rawker

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I understand that women are deceiving little bastards, but you don't go shooting up jazzercise classes because you cant get a date. (P.S, im not gay, I just found out my girlfriend was stringing me out.
 

Epitome

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I feel almost sorry for him,.. i know what he did was tragic and he deserves no sympathy but at the same time he really had a shit time of it. Still if he had released these notes and his plan turned out to be just suicide then you now 90% of people would been saying how sad it was fror him and how somebody should have helped...
 

antipunt

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There really is -one- big difference (I think) between him and many people here who empathize with him.

I sort of felt sorry for him, but there was -one very big reason- why I decided that I didn't really like the guy at all...

He shot -INNOCENT PEOPLE-. If it were me, I would've just -KILLED MYSELF-

Innocent. As in, completely random. At least the Korean shooter picked out 'specific rich kids who mocked him' (not saying I completely condone that, however)
 

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^Mimi said:
I can relate to the person to be honest.
I can see his motivations, I can feel them, I can understand them. I've been through it. My mother has been through it. His feelings are simply more maximised than mine.

He has my sympathy as a human being.

However, if your life sucks, then do something about it. If you keep trying and trying and nothing happens and you just can't allow yourself more pain, then by all means, use an "exit plan". But never, ever, take anyone else with you.

We're humans. We might alienated each other, we might discriminated. We might have tons of raw hatred. But never passed the blame onto someone else. Try to change yourself, not others. Adapt to reality.

He lost most of my sympathy by killing all those people, but I've been through shit and I know what's that like. So I do have sympathy for him. I can understand his problems.
Someone said earlier on this thread "Good, he should be alone.". Don't *you* understand that *you're* the problem?

Your kind is the problem, we can't live without a third parties opinion. Instead of saying stuff like that give the benefit of the doubt and stretch a helping hand. Stop acting so shallowly and close minded.

Edit:

FYI, I've felt like stabbing people in the past. Cutting into their guts. It's a delicious fantasy of mine.

I actually have a psychotic mental disorder that I've been treating for years. And sometimes I can't help to think those things with desire. But I've been working hard on controlling it, I've been working hard on changing, and I have.

But when the impulses come it takes a lot of discipline to calm them down. I can only hope that I can maintain that discipline for the rest of my life, otherwise, this is going to end up badly.

And I'm very lucky. I have tons of supportive friends that know of my disorder and still are there for me, with their heart open. Even after I hurt them, subconsciously or just for giggles. They're still there. I'm truly lucky. I wish that person was as lucky as I am.

With copious amounts of love, Mimi.
I have a friend of mine who posts under that same screenname i really hope you two not same person :) Sorry to hear about your disorder and im glad your doing everything to keep it under control, but see people will sympatise with you because you realise the disorder, seek help. I was wondering though you said about others not realising that they themselves are the problem, what is it about your felow man that you wish them pain for?
 

Aries_Split

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You people disgust me.

You were once shoved headfirst through a womens vagina.

Why the hell are you so goddamned proud?
 

Ghadente

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Do not give this "man" sympathy, the coward doesn't deserve it. What a selfish, senseless, asshole. Apparently he wasn't smart enough to realize that everyone has a tough life, in one way or another. You have to LIVE with it, move on and be as happy as possible, no matter what.
How selfish of him to take the lives of others, random women.
I'm not religious, but if there is a hell, this is the type of evil thats burning in it.

ugh, this kind of idiocy just makes me sick.

my heart goes out to the victums, and well to all of us really.

its a "mad world"
 

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Aries_Split said:
You people disgust me.

You were once shoved headfirst through a womens vagina.

Why the hell are you so goddamned proud?
Who are you refering to?
^Mimi said:
I was alienated, beaten to death, almost raped.
I think your interpretation of "beaten to death" is different to mine.
Ghadente said:
Do not give this "man" sympathy, the coward doesn't deserve it. What a selfish, senseless, asshole. Apparently he wasn't smart enough to realize that everyone has a tough life, in one way or another. You have to LIVE with it, move on and be as happy as possible, no matter what.
How selfish of him to take the lives of others, random women.
I'm not religious, but if there is a hell, this is the type of evil thats burning in it.

ugh, this kind of idiocy just makes me sick.

my heart goes out to the victums, and well to all of us really.

its a "mad world"
Right, supressing emotions surely isn't the reason people snap 20 years later.
 

Epitome

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^Mimi said:
Epitome said:
I have a friend of mine who posts under that same screenname i really hope you two not same person :) Sorry to hear about your disorder and im glad your doing everything to keep it under control, but see people will sympatise with you because you realise the disorder, seek help. I was wondering though you said about others not realising that they themselves are the problem, what is it about your felow man that you wish them pain for?
Mostly they're traumas.

I was alienated, beaten to death, almost raped.

There's tons of factors going on here. It's not rational, but the feelings I had for the people that did that kind of thing to me simply pass on to the new people I meet. To innocents, to bystanders and whatnot. Changing your cognitive patterns is extremely difficult. Any psychologist would tell you that. And the funny thing is that I changed most of them.

I have a deep hatred and love for humanity. That hatred gets the best of me sometimes. My fantasies actually give me pleasure. It's the sweetest thing.

I've been through psychiatrists all my life. It kinda sucks but I'm still here aren't I? I have plenty of reasons to off myself, but I'm too contrary to do it. So I won't. And yeah I do have a emotional breakdown here and there and it sucks. But you just move on and focus on the good things in life, not the big things, the small ones that bring you happiness.
Seems rational enough to me, the transferernce of anger i mean, not that its a good thing but i can see where it would come from, i know its not my place to ask you such personal stuff i was just curious as to why you would enjoy stabbing nobody in particular. Is it one of your traumatisers you imagine in your fantasises or is it just the act inof itself that you draw pleasure from? Oh and dont off yourself, your right there are plenty of little good things in life to look forward to :D
 

dalek sec

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To hell with this guy, loser kills three people because he can't get a date? Big frakking deal! I haven't had a date since high school and I haven't shot up anything or anyone.