Man shoots up Gym in Penn. Killing 3 then himself. THIS is what was going through his mind.

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Flying-Emu

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Jimmyjames said:
Fuck that guy.

He's despondent, selfish, detached, and a coward. Sounds like he deserves to be alone. Should have just killed himself instead of taking three innocent women with him. Nothing is ever an excuse for cold-blooded murder, ever.

No sympathy.
Brilliantly worded, James. What happened to him is pitiful, but to sink to the level of murder is irreproachable.
 

bluepilot

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Wow, it is like he spent 20 years of his life waiting for a chance, some kind of miracle, but never once stepped out of his shell to create a chance for himself.

His life, murder and death remains a poignant warning to us all
 

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bluepilot said:
Wow, it is like he spent 20 years of his life waiting for a chance, some kind of miracle, but never once stepped out of his shell to create a chance for himself.

His life, murder and death remains a poignant warning to us all
What's the warning though? I'm not trying to be a smartass or mock this, I just don't follow you. The only time I step out of my shell is for work.
 

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Sounds to me like he was stuck in a rut and he probably missed some chances.
I don't feel sorry for him, most people are lonely but they don't go and kill people. If he really wanted sex so badly then he would get a hooker, if he wanted love then there are dating sites
 

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dalek sec said:
bluepilot said:
Wow, it is like he spent 20 years of his life waiting for a chance, some kind of miracle, but never once stepped out of his shell to create a chance for himself.

His life, murder and death remains a poignant warning to us all
What's the warning though? I'm not trying to be a smartass or mock this, I just don't follow you. The only time I step out of my shell is for work.
From his diary it seems like he spent 20 years on the sidelines just waiting to be loved or waiting for some kind of significance to hit him in the face. It seems like he never really took a chance at anything.

So I think that his life serves as a warning to those of us who prefer to play it safe and never want to risk loosing face. It is a warning of what can possibly happen if we just wait for the right moment to come along instead of trying to get it ourselves. This is what I meant by my post. I guess his story touched me in this way.
 

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bluepilot said:
From his diary it seems like he spent 20 years on the sidelines just waiting to be loved or waiting for some kind of significance to hit him in the face. It seems like he never really took a chance at anything.

So I think that his life serves as a warning to those of us who prefer to play it safe and never want to risk loosing face. It is a warning of what can possibly happen if we just wait for the right moment to come along instead of trying to get it ourselves. This is what I meant by my post. I guess his story touched me in this way.
So? I spend most of my life on the sidelines outside of work, only had two girlfriends my whole life, I keep to myself and like being alone but you don't see me shooting up the place because women wouldn't talk to me. Besides, nothing wrong with saving face all the time.
 

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Man, he should have gotten therapy. If he "had" to kill himself, why couldn't he have JUST killed himself instead of committing 3 murders along with it?

The worst part is, he misinterpreted the Bible, thinking that he could go to Heaven anyway.
 

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Poor guy, i just feel sorry for him. Im sure this will end up in one of my psychiatry classes next semester.
You feel sorry for him? What about the women he murdered?

I understand him being despondent to the point of suicide, but the moment he chose to take another person's life, he lost all claim to sympathy.
I agree. It's one thing to take your own life through a cloudy fog of misery and sadness, but to drag an innocent person to death before their time is possibly even sadder than 10 people committing suicide.
 

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I can sympathize...and yet I can't. I live the kind of life he does, yet I recognize the fact that this life isn't that bad. I think he was being over dramatic. I suppose if he wanted to kill himself that's fine, but taking three other people just didn't make sense. As I read his journal I felt something twinge in the back of my mind telling me that I wasn't hearing the full story. Especially after seeing one of the last four comments.
Lee Ann Valdiserri had my baby in early 1991. Haven't seen her since she was about four months into it. I knew her sister, Chris, from high school.
I would have liked to know more about this, it could shed a little more insight into what his problem exactly was, but all I've been able to find is that Lee Ann Valdiserri is dead. Might be the wrong person though.
 

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How the hell can anyone fell sorry for this psychotic loser? What about the victims? Did anyone ever think for a second that the reason women didn't want anything to do with him is because he was a weirdo? I have a friend who is a 26 year old virgin because of his attitude towards women. They don't like him because he's bitter and he's bitter because they don't like him. I don't relate to him in any way nor feel empathy, his lack of social life was clearly his own doing and because he didn't have the balls to change it he made others suffer for it. He should have just saved himself the trip and only killed himself, or gotten therapy.
See, you're what's called an asshole. And if someone like George Sodini gunned you down, I'd call it poetic justice.

(Incidentally, this man is what most of /r9k/ will be like in ten or twenty years, which would be a scary thought if shooting sprees weren't so entertaining to read about.)
 

Lord George

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I can't feel sympathy for someone like that, there's obviously a reason no women would touch a misogynistic loner who refers to women as hoes, he was a loser, if he'd just got over it maybe he would have found someone but instead he did what every American with a small ego did and brought lots of big guns, and like many unbalanced people with guns he then shot a lot of people, that's just being selfish, you can't just take your own life but you have to take a load of innocent women with you just because you couldn't get laid in a while.
 

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Epictank of Wintown said:
You know what I'm finding utterly hilarious about this thread? All these people saying "But killing people doesn't make any sense!" Really? You know WHY?

He. Was. Psychotic. Out of his mind. Loopy. Crazy. Insane.

To the rest of you basically spouting 'lol loser lol', try being rejected by every woman you talk to for nineteen solid years and feeling like you're doing everything you can to get it right. It'd wear even the most stout-hearted individual down.

Am I defending his murder of three innocent women? No.

Do I think this could have been avoided? Yes. The warning signs were there. The general populace just isn't educated enough to see them, as usual.
firstly - you have an awesome name ;D
secondly, i agree with you wholeheartedly. People need to read into the minds of people like this instead of just arrogantly rolling their eyes, hating and changing the channel. I couldn't imagine the torment he must've gone through, what with his abusive brother and ignorant parents. the dead-end job, the lack of sex(as he points out bitterly throughout the entries) and the lack of intimacy must have taken a heavy toll on his ability to see the good in life. he mentioned that syndrome where intense pain, over a long period of time, could be mistaken as normal: he was intelligent enough to perceive what was happening to him...

which is chilling when you think about it...

many people in this forum have described their own psychological problems - i believe we all have a part of ourselves that we are unhappy about, or makes us unhappy. i know i do, and mine is very similar to this man. i'm only 18, so i can't begin to imagine what it feels like living like he did for nearly 50 years. he doesn't explain why he doesn't want to seek mental help - yes, perhaps it's because he thinks he doesnt have that choice, but on the other hand while he was self-aware and introspective enough to percieve that he was crazy, he could have made the decision to get therapy.

And maybe there's another side to it: maybe he held onto life hoping that it would get better (he chickened out in January and lived an extra 7 months, so his life must have taken a small turn for the best at some point), but finally on the 4th of august when his luck hadn't come around, he threw reason out the window in a spontaneous burst of frustration at his hard life. He speaks of drinking alcohol before 'doing it', which would have further reduced his ability to reason...and that was it.
Maybe we'll never know. We're only given his journal to formulate opinions; we can only speculate. But to all those people who look at this soul and spurt 'lol loser lol', you people are part of the reason that people do this, and you are part of a society who frowns upon the troubled individual because of a lack of understanding, tolerance and empathy.

As Izzil dons her cape and does her part (shouts to you, Izz! haha), just learn from this guy's journal, people. learn and understand why the outspoken, lonely 'rejects' of society are driven to perform these senseless, needless acts.
 

BrEnNo1023

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there are a lot of ignorant people in this thread. progress isn't made if everybody sticks to old traditions. it's easy for people to point blame at this person, he's just another loser who couldn't control his anger to them. they don't know, nor do they care, about the intensity of the pain he went through. they can condemn it with their own minds as much as they want, but in the end, it was his mind that was affected.

Can i be so bold as to compare this man's life with the 'antagonist' of Red Dragon (Silence of the Lambs prequel)? I believe that movie was an attempt to let the general public in on the mind of the psychologically damaged. That was over 10 years ago.

Obviously it hasn't sunk in to everybody...