Oh, wow, that was hilarious. Probably the best response I've ever seen.Necromancer Jim said:
+1 internets to you, good sir!
OT: Yeah, I'm basically in agreement with Necromancer Jim here. The OP's argument is thoroughly ridiculous.
Meat eaters should have to kill for their food.
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+1 internets to you, good sir!
OT: Yeah, I'm basically in agreement with Necromancer Jim here. The OP's argument is thoroughly ridiculous.
THIS ARTICLE CONTAINS LIES!
Only thing I have against this article is that hunters consider what they're doing and understand the implications. They may see them, but like a lot of arrogance in humanity many choose to ignore it - you've probably heard of how bad fox hunting used to be, they'd even do it where there was no nearby farms - on a private park!
But I do agree with the side of 'practice what you preach' - especially if you're going to deny one side of it, you can't eat meat and say you never kill as much as you can't say you play PC games but don't ever use a computer.
So my good sir, I thank you for this unique article and thank you for not being one of those one-sided rants. Anyone who says otherwise is probably just trying to deny the fact that you have some very good points.
This is not a poorly written article at all. I have to admit as weird as it was - I find this article very interesting, and to an extent have to agree with it. People can't really complain that they'd never kill another animal BUT they happily eat meat all the time, kind of ironic I find. Personally I DO eat meat, but very rarely and when I do, I do consider the implications.Glass Joe the Champ said:
Only thing I have against this article is that hunters consider what they're doing and understand the implications. They may see them, but like a lot of arrogance in humanity many choose to ignore it - you've probably heard of how bad fox hunting used to be, they'd even do it where there was no nearby farms - on a private park!
But I do agree with the side of 'practice what you preach' - especially if you're going to deny one side of it, you can't eat meat and say you never kill as much as you can't say you play PC games but don't ever use a computer.
So my good sir, I thank you for this unique article and thank you for not being one of those one-sided rants. Anyone who says otherwise is probably just trying to deny the fact that you have some very good points.
And what is it with meat-eaters who take it personally when I tell them I'm a vegetarian?teebeeohh said:
I get what the OP is saying, since I've had the same thought before even if it isn't practical. It's more a result of people becoming separated from food production completely. Factory meat production is a colossal waste of resources, and is the leading cause of greenhouse gas emissions.
Also the ignorance of vegetarianism in this thread is hilarious. You really don't have to put much thought into it.
But it seems that your argument can be summed in the title, from what I sort've read in the first 2 paragraphs.Glass Joe the Champ said:
By your own logic and arguments, you should grow/gather/etc. all the non-meat that you eat.
That includes watering, planting, weeding, harvesting, etc., etc.
So, good luck with that =)
Now, If you'll excuse me, I'm going to have another spicy momma burger from A&W
well, that's just stupid. maybe if i was a nomadic hunter, yes. i am not a hunter, the nature of capitalism sees that hunters and farmers get paid to do their job, and i pay them for doing their job so i get their stock.
it is basic economics, don't be an idiot. i wholeheartedly agree on another point you made though, people should be informed as to the full process, and see where the food comes from, but getting them to do it themselves is a braindead idea.
it is basic economics, don't be an idiot. i wholeheartedly agree on another point you made though, people should be informed as to the full process, and see where the food comes from, but getting them to do it themselves is a braindead idea.
Meat is good, and its good for you, theres a reason why so many animals eat it. And thats another point, why dont you stop all the lions and tigers around the world from hunting and eating, they can kill animals to eat and survive, so why can't we? If anything its more acceptable for us as we are a superior species. I also hate vegetarians that eat fish, that makes no sense, but thats another topic altogether. Also these animals live and die for us, if we didnt breed them to eat they wouldn't be alive in the first place. Also again, most animals die humanely, hell I've been to farms and 'slaughterhouses', some of the cows there have better lives than I have, they eat like crazy, run around all day and then get put down in a gas happy sleep. Of course not all places are like that and not all animals are so lucky, but its still much more humane than killing your own animal, I eat meat regularly but I would never hunt or kill myself because I'm not a sadistic ba***rd.
Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against vegetarians, I just hate the ones who talk about it. You're not helping anything, you're not changing the amount of animals that live or die and in any case animals lack complex empathy anyway. In short, veganism makes no sense and it achieves nothing, plants may not have a nervous system, but plants and animals have the exact same ability when it comes to the cognitive reasonings between life and death.
Just eat meat and be happy.
Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against vegetarians, I just hate the ones who talk about it. You're not helping anything, you're not changing the amount of animals that live or die and in any case animals lack complex empathy anyway. In short, veganism makes no sense and it achieves nothing, plants may not have a nervous system, but plants and animals have the exact same ability when it comes to the cognitive reasonings between life and death.
Just eat meat and be happy.
I understand where you're coming from, and in some ways agree with you. However, one way to look at it is... the chicken that yielded this meat is already dead and would have died whether or not I am a meat eater. Therefore, I should not waste it, as the act of eating the meat will harm the original chicken no more.
Here's a question. Did you ever kill a fly, a spider or any other insect? The answer is likely yes. So... did you guys eat it? No? Well... why did you guys kill it then?
If you can kill a bug because it's annoying you or whatever freaking reason you killed it for, than you can kill a chicken or a cow for food aswell. If you cannot or will not, than that sort of makes you a hypocrite.
So, short answer. Yes, I'd kill for food. I don't see the big problem with it.
If you can kill a bug because it's annoying you or whatever freaking reason you killed it for, than you can kill a chicken or a cow for food aswell. If you cannot or will not, than that sort of makes you a hypocrite.
So, short answer. Yes, I'd kill for food. I don't see the big problem with it.
Just watch the music video "convicted in life" rather brutal song but it has abattoirs in the video.Glass Joe the Champ said:
I have seen many programmes on "from birth to burger" as it were, so I know all about how a piggy is turned into a sausage, like how it is soaked in boiling water to soften the hairs so it's easier to shave it.
I don't think I should kill something to attain the right to eat it. Takes a lot of skill to take an animal apart and learning all that to do it once would be stupid.
No, its simply spite.DarkArk said:
Since the OP took the time to rant about something as nonsensical as this, I figure some spite is in order.
Kind of like when I play Reach with my best friend, he's acting like a douche, I'll throw on the helmet he can't get for another 800,000 credits, the one that he really really wants.
Or like mentioning how much I enjoyed playing MW2 on my xbox 360 with people online, when the PSN was down.
My personal favorite is using a sniper against quickscopers, and hardscoping them. They get so mad because of my "lack of skill with a sniper rifle"
http://shirtoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/deal-with-it-squirtle.jpg
saying one living organism is 'higher' than another is just.. hypocritical, frankly vegetarians simply choose to see animals as living things and plants as inanimate objects and then act all high and mighty about their purity and morals
of their incorrect assumptions and blind themselves to the obvious truth:
you
cant
live
without
KILLING
or at the very least benefiting from the deaths of other beings
( ie if you forage dead animals or dead seeds or wilted plants or something )
vegetarians are misinformed, or just plain hypocritical
all you'll do is put people off their food in the meantime and it's not as healthy as it's advocates will have you believe
that said, if there were an efficient means to avoid killing things and still fill my stomach i'd do it
but eating plants isn't the way
currently there is a technology being developed to grow skin, flesh, meat or whatever you desire in a pure form without the need for harming any complex being in laboratory conditions from a single cell taken from an animal who wouldn't even notice the loss
and clone it billions of times to produce food, skin grafts, prosthesis and other bodily requirements for human use and consumption
when that technology takes off ( if it does in my lifetime )
i will surely support it, but until then there is no viable alternative
once it's fully working it will be cleaner more efficient and more effective than growing a whole cow to get food or leather you could even tailor it's genes to make it taste exactly how you want, you want a 1x1 meter square leather patch 14mm thick? sure let me plum the details in the computer to re sequence the genes.
bam, dino dna.
ups, wrong film.
putting your efforts into advancing that technology instead of trying to create 'awareness' for vegetarianism
will have far further reaching benefits for the entire human condition from burn victims to people needing heart transplants
you might well think that's not the same issue, or i'm overreacting but that's the state of play when you consider changing the world, and that's the sort of thing this thread is discussing
this actually reminds me of the bob's big picture episode on genetically modified food
( except this actually would be very genetically modified! )
ps,
the dino dna Jurassic park reference was to
the 14mm thick leather in-case anyone didn't get it.
of their incorrect assumptions and blind themselves to the obvious truth:
you
cant
live
without
KILLING
or at the very least benefiting from the deaths of other beings
( ie if you forage dead animals or dead seeds or wilted plants or something )
vegetarians are misinformed, or just plain hypocritical
all you'll do is put people off their food in the meantime and it's not as healthy as it's advocates will have you believe
that said, if there were an efficient means to avoid killing things and still fill my stomach i'd do it
but eating plants isn't the way
currently there is a technology being developed to grow skin, flesh, meat or whatever you desire in a pure form without the need for harming any complex being in laboratory conditions from a single cell taken from an animal who wouldn't even notice the loss
and clone it billions of times to produce food, skin grafts, prosthesis and other bodily requirements for human use and consumption
when that technology takes off ( if it does in my lifetime )
i will surely support it, but until then there is no viable alternative
once it's fully working it will be cleaner more efficient and more effective than growing a whole cow to get food or leather you could even tailor it's genes to make it taste exactly how you want, you want a 1x1 meter square leather patch 14mm thick? sure let me plum the details in the computer to re sequence the genes.
bam, dino dna.
ups, wrong film.
putting your efforts into advancing that technology instead of trying to create 'awareness' for vegetarianism
will have far further reaching benefits for the entire human condition from burn victims to people needing heart transplants
you might well think that's not the same issue, or i'm overreacting but that's the state of play when you consider changing the world, and that's the sort of thing this thread is discussing
this actually reminds me of the bob's big picture episode on genetically modified food
( except this actually would be very genetically modified! )
ps,
the dino dna Jurassic park reference was to
the 14mm thick leather in-case anyone didn't get it.
Well your using a computer of some kind to post this, did you get the minerals to build that machine, make the circuit boards, make your own network, program your own OS? If no THEN SHUT THE HELL UP, I have never met a vegetarian who wasn't a self righteous douche thinking they are better then everyone else.
What about plants you eat then? They are living things just like animals, yet you guys eat them with no problem (I'm sure it's because they have no face). Hope you don't love fruit cause that is a baby for a plant.
Why do you have to make or acquire it ourselves first to understand it, by this logic we should:
Make our own clothes
Make our own computers
Write our own programs
Make our own games
Get our own oil
Build our own car
Make our own TV station
Act in our own movie and make said movie
Make our own music
I wish I could meet a vegetarian who is like "I don't eat meat, and I don't mind if you do". But no every one who says they are one is some douche who feels they are better then everyone else (they are kinda like hipsters in the food world).
What about plants you eat then? They are living things just like animals, yet you guys eat them with no problem (I'm sure it's because they have no face). Hope you don't love fruit cause that is a baby for a plant.
Why do you have to make or acquire it ourselves first to understand it, by this logic we should:
Make our own clothes
Make our own computers
Write our own programs
Make our own games
Get our own oil
Build our own car
Make our own TV station
Act in our own movie and make said movie
Make our own music
I wish I could meet a vegetarian who is like "I don't eat meat, and I don't mind if you do". But no every one who says they are one is some douche who feels they are better then everyone else (they are kinda like hipsters in the food world).
I totally agree, meat eaters should kill their own food. Because that's so much better for the animals than the mass-production, isn't it?
We all know that everyone in the world has access to the technology to humanely slaughter an animal, after all, that kind of technology is cheap as hell, isn't it? Anyone can pick it up and start killing to their heart's content.
Yeah, I'm being sarcastic. If you want this to work you'll have to accept the fact that this:
Is going to happen a lot since not everyone can afford to kill in a humane way so animals are going to suffer far, FAR more with your line of thinking.
That video above is the reality of your little pipe dream. That WILL happen (or something similar, with a different tool, maybe a drill or a chainsaw, who knows? But it won't be a gun, ammo is expensive and who needs a gun when you can just bash its skull in, eh?)
Seriously, anyone who makes this argument honestly hasn't thought it through because the practical implications involved with something like this on the scale that we consume meat products means that things will not get better just because you're making people put the effort in. We're an adaptable species, if this happens then it's only a matter of time before we just pay someone else to do it for us, then pay companies to do it for us and then it's back to how things are now.
It will never work.
We all know that everyone in the world has access to the technology to humanely slaughter an animal, after all, that kind of technology is cheap as hell, isn't it? Anyone can pick it up and start killing to their heart's content.
Yeah, I'm being sarcastic. If you want this to work you'll have to accept the fact that this:
Is going to happen a lot since not everyone can afford to kill in a humane way so animals are going to suffer far, FAR more with your line of thinking.
That video above is the reality of your little pipe dream. That WILL happen (or something similar, with a different tool, maybe a drill or a chainsaw, who knows? But it won't be a gun, ammo is expensive and who needs a gun when you can just bash its skull in, eh?)
Seriously, anyone who makes this argument honestly hasn't thought it through because the practical implications involved with something like this on the scale that we consume meat products means that things will not get better just because you're making people put the effort in. We're an adaptable species, if this happens then it's only a matter of time before we just pay someone else to do it for us, then pay companies to do it for us and then it's back to how things are now.
It will never work.