MMO RPG players are not real gamers

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gibboss28

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I think you'll find that you are wrong on this one. People who play MMOs are gamers. And before it's said: no it's not a matter of opinion, you're just wrong.

Why? Well I'll do this in a way that you might understand.
They play games. A gamer is someone who plays games. WoW is a game. (Do you see where I'm going with this?)
 

Fearzone

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Define "gamer" please.

Also, if you are going to brag to people about 20 person kill streaks, um...
 

Trogdor1138

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Topic title made me facepalm, I skimmed through his post and facepalmed while lol'ing...

Elitist.
 

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Dark Templar said:
PurpleSky said:
Dark Templar said:
Lt. Vinciti said:
Dark Templar said:
Sorry if a successful guild doesn't want you wiping the whole raid because you couldn't take the time to know how the fights work. Don't waste everyones time. Vent rules are in place for a reason. It is there to the raid leader can organize the group and give directions, no one needs you talking when the raid leader is talking. These 2 things are just polite things to do.

And MMOs aren't real games be cause you can't go on a OMG 20 MOB KILLING SPREE? Get over yourself.
Winner.

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Kologarn is my server weekly
I don't play actively anymore, I'm on break for school.

AAAnnnd stay out.
I should, I find WoW incredibly boring now......plus small server drama killed my guild.
So you took your own bad experience and made generalizations about every other guild and player in the game? If you feel somehow superior to everyone else who plays WoW then don't bother renewing your subscription. No one wants you there.

And who said being a gamer means you have to be super 1337 at COD? I play console games in addition to WoW all the time. So am I a failure in your eyes too?
 

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People can have fun power gameing taking games super seriously. Everybody is different I in their own special way. We have so much we can learn from Barney the Dinosaur
 

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JUMBO PALACE said:
Dark Templar said:
PurpleSky said:
Dark Templar said:
Lt. Vinciti said:
Dark Templar said:
Sorry if a successful guild doesn't want you wiping the whole raid because you couldn't take the time to know how the fights work. Don't waste everyones time. Vent rules are in place for a reason. It is there to the raid leader can organize the group and give directions, no one needs you talking when the raid leader is talking. These 2 things are just polite things to do.

And MMOs aren't real games be cause you can't go on a OMG 20 MOB KILLING SPREE? Get over yourself.
Winner.

Also

Kologarn is my server weekly
I don't play actively anymore, I'm on break for school.

AAAnnnd stay out.
I should, I find WoW incredibly boring now......plus small server drama killed my guild.
So you took your own bad experience and made generalizations about every other guild and player in the game? If you feel somehow superior to everyone else who plays WoW then don't bother renewing your subscription. No one wants you there.

And who said being a gamer means you have to be super 1337 at COD? I play console games in addition to WoW all the time. So am I a failure in your eyes too?
Did you quote the wrong person? Cause the post you quoted was me expressing my personal opinion on WoW. I disagree with the OP as much as you do. ;/
 

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Dark Templar said:
Sorry if a successful guild doesn't want you wiping the whole raid because you couldn't take the time to know how the fights work. Don't waste everyones time. Vent rules are in place for a reason. Vent is there so the raid leader can organize the group and give directions, no one needs you talking when the raid leader is talking. These 2 things are just polite things to do.

And MMOs aren't real games be cause you can't go on a OMG 20 MOB KILLING SPREE? Get over yourself. And yhea, the gear inflation in WoW is retarded and the pvp is broken, but MMOs aren't less of a genre just because WoW isn't doing it right in that respect.
I think this was the end of the thread. OP hasn't shown his face since first post, so its easy to say that he is too shamed to respond to articulated responses.
 

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Dark Templar said:
JUMBO PALACE said:
Dark Templar said:
PurpleSky said:
Dark Templar said:
Lt. Vinciti said:
Dark Templar said:
Sorry if a successful guild doesn't want you wiping the whole raid because you couldn't take the time to know how the fights work. Don't waste everyones time. Vent rules are in place for a reason. It is there to the raid leader can organize the group and give directions, no one needs you talking when the raid leader is talking. These 2 things are just polite things to do.

And MMOs aren't real games be cause you can't go on a OMG 20 MOB KILLING SPREE? Get over yourself.
Winner.

Also

Kologarn is my server weekly
I don't play actively anymore, I'm on break for school.

AAAnnnd stay out.
I should, I find WoW incredibly boring now......plus small server drama killed my guild.
So you took your own bad experience and made generalizations about every other guild and player in the game? If you feel somehow superior to everyone else who plays WoW then don't bother renewing your subscription. No one wants you there.

And who said being a gamer means you have to be super 1337 at COD? I play console games in addition to WoW all the time. So am I a failure in your eyes too?
Did you quote the wrong person? Cause the post you quoted was me expressing my personal opinion on WoW. I disagree with the OP as much as you do. ;/
Oh no I was just intruding on your conversation. Sorry for the confusion :p
 

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Loderian said:
Dark Templar said:
Sorry if a successful guild doesn't want you wiping the whole raid because you couldn't take the time to know how the fights work. Don't waste everyones time. Vent rules are in place for a reason. Vent is there so the raid leader can organize the group and give directions, no one needs you talking when the raid leader is talking. These 2 things are just polite things to do.

And MMOs aren't real games be cause you can't go on a OMG 20 MOB KILLING SPREE? Get over yourself. And yhea, the gear inflation in WoW is retarded and the pvp is broken, but MMOs aren't less of a genre just because WoW isn't doing it right in that respect.
I think this was the end of the thread. OP hasn't shown his face since first post, so its easy to say that he is too shamed to respond to articulated responses.
Or is a troll. Wait, if thats true then both. Either way I win the thread apparently. XD
 

Nerexor

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While I do agree with some of the criticisms of MMO's laid out here, that hardly makes those who play them non-gamers. Plenty of people still have fun doing it and have guilds that aren't torn apart by drama. Last I checked the point of a game is to have fun. I quit WoW because I wasn't having fun any more (boring grinding is boring, as is having boss fights that only work if you follow the internet FAQs exactly), but that doesn't mean I demanded all my friends who still were having fun quit as well.

Bottom line: MMOs are games, therefore MMO players are gamers. MMOs may be games that some people don't like, but there is a solution! If you don't like it, quit whining and don't play!
 

Peyton Duke

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And here I thought people played games to have fun..
/sarcasm

No dude, we do it to be members of an elite group of "real" gamers. Our lives are meaningless unless we can achieve that status. Pfft... Fun.
 

Bonino90

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Bullshit , mmo rpg gamers are just as mush as gamers as anyone else , (Imao would maybe sey they are even more) It all comes down to what games you like and enjoy,but if your playing games your a gamer. ( ofc you can be pro/hardcore or a causal gamer, but a gamer none the less)
I'd rather call you a troll then a "real gamer" , but that's just my opinion..
 

Master_Corruptor

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In general most MMO games are set up like a real life job. You gain experience/skills like you would gain experience in a job.
As you bec ome stronger you will become more dedicated and take on bigger responsibilities (spellcheck ?).
In the end it's not like a game but a Buisness simulator. You arrange raids, trips or whatever the game requires. Split payout, tacle diplomatic challenges and many scenarios that you also find in real life.

So yeah... MMO gamers are very different from mainstream fps gamers (just an example, dont freak out)
 

JuryNelson

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The bosses in WoW are not there too be played with, the bosses are to be studied most of my WoW life i spent 20min before a boss fight looking at videos like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSkUlEvZdww&feature=related to see how the boss worked, from my opinion this takes away from the Game aspect,
Have you considered that this might not be the way to do things, and is just the way YOU do things?

No boss is there to be played with. The research you do isn't part of the game, it's part of a metagame you have created. Like playing DMC in Devil Hunter Mode.

Also, way to abandon the claim in the post title immediately.
 

Marowit

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Sooooo, you don't think MMORPG-gamers are gamers, many of whom also play other games (I know I sure do), since they find different things fun than what you consider to be fun?

You kind of zig-and-zag in your post so it makes it pretty hard to follow.

I know I like MMOs for the social component. Getting 5 people together on a Friday/Saturday night and PvP'ing all together while we're in the same room rocks pretty hard. I have waaaaay more fun doing that than playing COD. That however, doesn't mean people who play COD or RTSs are any less of a gamer. They just like a different genre.

Different strokes for different folks.
 

SomeUnregPunk

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Opinions are funny things aren't they?
You can put a lot of work into them to make them sound like they are more than just opinions but it still is just your feelings/thoughts on a subject.

for example:
Person 1: Farcry2 is awesome b/c of the freedom I'm allowed in the missions and the massive amount of enemies that want to kill me.
Person 2: Farcry2 is a pile of elephant turds because it is unplayable, everyone wants you dead and the guns can't kill anything.

Two opinions in which neither one is absolutely right or wrong.
 

Karyudo

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Dark Templar said:
Sorry if a successful guild doesn't want you wiping the whole raid because you couldn't take the time to know how the fights work.
Actually I sort of think that was his original point. I can agree that having a group that has no idea what they're doing, a pally tank with half the armor of your healers and all that make the game much less fun. On the other hand if you get to the end game it did always seem to me that in order to play any of it you had to be hardcore beyond hardcore elitists to really do anything.

I've seen guilds with vent rules, sorta makes sense given the context. I've also seen guilds require large strategy sessions before boss encounters. Some people out there care about it as if it's life or death which just makes me sad, though again, losing; not as fun.

Back in the old days we didn't sit down and watch youtube videos to figure out how to beat Quickman. The game was designed for you to try over and over and those were the kings of pattern games. Play WoW like that for a month and I would guess you'd have to change servers by then. Of course you could just not do those things but once you get to that point... what else is there these days?

Overall I would say anyone willing to spend more then a few minutes a week on a game could be a gamer. I've seen people spend every waking second on WoW, though I wouldn't specifically refer to them as hardcore gamers exactly. They're just a very different type in general. Thankfully not all MMO games are like WoW though the crowd that sticks to the MMO's and the crowd that sticks to everything else certainly are different. Though to me I don't entirely consider people who play a single game religiously gamers, I have another word for that sort of devotion. Such as the average WoW player who has no idea what games are coming out unless they're expansions (and by that I mean that crowd, not that they're the average).
 

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Whatever happened to fun? Now it's "UR NOTA GAMERUFAG CUZ YA DONT PLY MW2!" because of a game they like. Who bloody cares? I hate MMO's, but if they like them let 'em why do we have to label them? I'm one of those FPS players you hear on the news for not getting enough sun... :C for stabbing people in the eye for sniping me in bad company 2!! YEAH MANLY!

OT: Seriously I play fps games and am just there to have fun, don't care about my score, just want to kill and have fun. MMO players are fine if not a bit obsessive with their games sometimes.
 

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Snotnarok said:
Whatever happened to fun? Now it's "UR NOTA GAMERUFAG CUZ YA DONT PLY MW2!" because of a game they like. Who bloody cares? I hate MMO's, but if they like them let 'em why do we have to label them? I'm one of those FPS players you hear on the news for not getting enough sun... :C for stabbing people in the eye for sniping me in bad company 2!! YEAH MANLY!

OT: Seriously I play fps games and am just there to have fun, don't care about my score, just want to kill and have fun. MMO players are fine if not a bit obsessive with their games sometimes.
These opinions have always existed. Before it was:
Your not a gamer...
...if you play on easy.
...if you haven't played [insert game title(s)]
...if you cheat or grief
...if you don't cheat or don't grief
...if you use [insert game weapon(s)] or [insert tactic or strategy]
...if you don't use [insert tactic or strategy] or don't use [insert game weapon(s)]
...etc.