music charts, seriously how can the majority of the populus like this shit

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Outright Villainy

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Azure-Supernova said:
Do you ever sit there and think, that if metal music was more accessible there would be less pop in the charts?
Most accesible metal bands that do fairly well are awful though. I think for the most part metal works because it's so angry or passionate, and that's just naturally off-putting. Most people listen to radio music because it's good background noise for them I find. I mean I find it insanely annoying, but schmeh. People listen to what's on the radio because it's on the radio. My brother listens to all that crap, and he basically says he doesn't really care enough about music to look for any more.

Also, when someone like Devin townsend does make an accesible metal album [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addicted_(The_Devin_Townsend_Project_album)] that's actually good no one buys it. Bah.
 

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TheGameXXVII said:
looked through that list, and only 1 of the top 40 is decent.

what deaf idiots decide on this list...
Someone with different opinions. You know those exist right?
 

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Also, when someone like Devin townsend does make an accesible metal album [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addicted_(The_Devin_Townsend_Project_album)] that's actually good no one buys it. Bah.
Maybe that's because a metal fans idea of what's accessible and everyone else's idea of what's accessible are two very, very different things.

Listened to the first couple of tracks actually, and they do absolutely nothing for a non-metal fan. There were some vocals in the background of the first song that were actually singing, so there's that I guess.
 

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Wow. What a douchebag ellitist.

Can't accept that people have different music tastes? It's one thing to say you dislike the music... it's a whole different thing to call all of it shit and question why people even like it.
 

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A lot of people look for something with a fairly simple beat that they can dance to. Personally, it's not my cup of tea, but I've gotten pretty good at avoiding it for the most part.
 

SturmDolch

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PEOPLE DONT LIKE THE THINGS I DO THEREFOR THEY ARE MORONS!!!11!!1

Seriously, this thread is so overdone and all you achieve is making yourself look like a self-involved child with extremely low self-esteem.

People have different tastes.

Get it?

No matter what your opinion is, it's not "better" than someone else's. I don't understand why music is the most susceptible to douchebags like the topic creator, but I think it's because music is easiest to get access to.

Music snobs can work for free.

You can download your songs for free. But micro-brewed beers and fine wines cost money, as does watching movies at your local arthouse cinema. To be a music snob, you can just sit at home and press download on a few torrents. It's the cheap and easy way to inflate your ego and get a handle on that low self-esteem!

If the music is such "shit", then you can obviously make it yourself and sell it as well. So go right on ahead.
 

Outright Villainy

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AgentNein said:
Outright Villainy said:
Also, when someone like Devin townsend does make an accesible metal album [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addicted_(The_Devin_Townsend_Project_album)] that's actually good no one buys it. Bah.
Maybe that's because a metal fans idea of what's accessible and everyone else's idea of what's accessible are two very, very different things.

Listened to the first couple of tracks actually, and they do absolutely nothing for a non-metal fan. There were some vocals in the background of the first song that were actually singing, so there's that I guess.
The first couple of tracks are the heaviest, by far. If this [http://tinysong.com/fgmB] isn't an accesible metal song I don't know what is.
 

Mikeyfell

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I know exactly what you mean
most music today is shit
and everyone likes that shit
I don't understand it
I used to think it was lack of exposure to "real" music

last year at my school there was a DJ who was competing against other DJs to play at prom
and just to mess with him I yelled "Play FREE BIRD"
then this crappy pop song that was apparently called "Free Bird" plays.
not slitting my wrists right there was the hardest thing I ever had to do
I almost wanted to yell "play Stairway To Heaven" but I didn't want to kill myself.
 

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i gave up on the charts a long time ago. there may be the odd good song but that's about it. then again, i don't think there's anything wrong with S Club 7. Don't Stop Movin' was AWESOME!
 

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I think what he is ranting about is that a lot of the popular music is about as complex as, lets say, sesame street, where everything is put on a plate for you. He needs more than just background noise and is pissed that all that ends up on the charts is simple, uninteresting music. I feel the same way he does. My fiancée likes popular music, but if i ask her about specifics of the music she listens too she cant answer any of it. She doesn't even know what the lyrics are about. I think that those songs are popular not because people like to "listen" to them, but they like to "hear" them as background music. Seriously how many times does anyone want to listen to lady gaga singing about wanting sex?

So if your tastes are more sophisticated than the average person... go make your own personal charts I guess.
 

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Who cares about top 40 anyways. As long as no one puts a gun to my head and forces me to listen to "California Gurls" I could care less. Just pretend it doesn't exist and listen to what you want to listen to.

Most of the bands I like do reasonably well despite not being played on mainstream radio. I'd argue fans of indie rock are more likely to buy albums rather than download them judging by the increase of bands like Animal Collective, Arcade Fire, and the National making it into the charts in terms of album sales.
 

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This is why their are MANY different charts...

Stick to the Chart you like? Like i do, which just happens to be the Top 40...

If a song catches the public's attention it get's in the charts, Roaring into the microphone like a retarded Tyrannosaurus-Rex is never going to get anyone in the charts...well...not for a while anyway.
 

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nightowl195 said:
Who cares about top 40 anyways. As long as no one puts a gun to my head and forces me to listen to "California Gurls" I could care less. Just pretend it doesn't exist and listen to what you want to listen to.
Their is NOTHING wrong with Katy Perry... ;)
 

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dont get me wrong there are a few good songs there but most of it is shit

just have a look, here is the top 40 hits in the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles

i like travie mcCoy, yolando be cool (only because it makes you feel like you are on holiday) and brandon flowers. other than that its just a pile of shit

i dont know what the US chart is like but i imagine its similar with shit like FLo RidA etc.

Understand that one of the reasons why businesses cater to the lowest human denominator is that there are far more people on that level than above it, and by targeting them you have the biggest possible cash growth. Music has always been a business, and has been becoming increasingly corperate with each generation.

Take a band that is really popular and mainstream, do a search for it, and check the material generated by it's fans. You might not agree with the people, but your going to see easily WHY those people people like this, and when you look at the numbers of those fans becomes pretty self explanitory.

That said I have nothing against most pop music, even if I do not rave about it.

ALSO consider that when it comes to more technical, artistic, or otherwise "smart" music, there is massive division. You have literally hundreds of micro-crowds of various sorts, many of whom hate each other with a passion and insult each other based on whose music they feel is smarter or more artistic, or darker, or whatever. This means that catering to any of those small groups of people is not going to net anyone mountains of cash.

Consider also that being more corperate than ever before, the music industry doesn't much care about it's talent to begin with. It very much supports a "flavor of the week" type mentality and figures when a band flags, there is always another one to pick up and replace them. Back during the sixties and seventies (less so in the eighties) bands were supported by their organizations (labels, etc..., assuming they didn't run their own) through ups and downs. With some of the longest running, and most famous acts a lot of fans can point to times where they were "down" and eventually managed to recover. Today if a band is not making peak profits, or worse yet losing money, a music company isn't going to support them for years and re-cultivate the talent.

Disposable pop talent is where the big bucks, right then and there, are at, and that is what the people making the desicians want.

Nobody is going to support a "real" band (however one defines it) through thick and thin anymore because even if they make a lot of money, by the numbers they could have made even more by being ruthless.

This is how things are in general today now. All industries, music, movies, TV, video games, novels, comics, paper and pencil RPGs, etc... it's not about the product or the art anymore, it's all about optimizing the amount of money to be made at any given second.

I'm all for capitolism, but there is such a thing as going too far with it and getting too greedy. Truthfully I am sort of hoping that we will see a massive crash of businesses operating this way and a recovery leading to more of a middle ground between the older ways of doing business, and the current ones (and don't get me wrong, the "good old days" were hardly utopian).
 

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I think it is because a lot of people never hear any other band apart from those in the charts, I know people like that, I play them new music which I found scouting the internet and most of the time they enjoy it (slightly, because of them being accepting to new things) and I have to give them cds with the songs on as they don't want to go on the internet to find them as they are just lazy when it comes to that.

You can't forget the fact that people genuinely like that sort of music (for the most part there is nothing wrong with it unless you are talking about Kedollarha). I still find them a bit strange though.