"Music" you consider to be NOISE
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i consider all music too be a form of art, nothing qualifies as just "noise" to me. being a metalhead you get told that your music is noises just a little too often, its not a nice thing to say about ones preferred form of art.
not too say that screamo and pop music dont suck ass
not too say that screamo and pop music dont suck ass
In a literal sense anything making noise can be considered music to the right listener.
I however feel that as the high end of human achievement has progressed, I think in an artistic sense certain things should no longer be considered music in anything but a technical sense.
In general I do not consider a bunch of primitive tribesmen making ear-raping noise by banging sticks and rocks together and such while howling to be "music". I think the progressiion of society has gotten to the point where something that primitive on it's own can no longer be considered music, except perhaps to it's performers, and typically they are only doing it either for the sake of cultural preservation (though to some extent you have to ask why someone would preserve that), or because they haven't been introduced to anything better that they could have/do practically.
Yes that is an elitist way of viewing things, but they are my thoughts.
Understand, I worked on two differant Indian reservations. Due to various festivals and such they have had displaced "indiginous peoples" from all over the world show up to play music and such. This has included native American tribes, but also aboriginals, african tribesman, and other similar groups. With rare exception, a lot of the performances wind up being of the sort that can almost cause physical pain to the listener.
Now, before someone says "I've heard Native American music, your nuts", I will tell you that you probably haven't, not really. See one of the contreversial things in Indian politics nowadays is about how they send the tribal members who are going to put on shows to special "Indian Schools" to learn how to dance, sing, tell stories, and similar things. They blend together the best elements of all the tribes, change it around quite a bit in order to sound as positive and poliically correct as possible, and present that as the face of Native America. To some tribes this is offensive, because it's not authentic, it's a political move.
To put things into perspective when I worked for the Mohegans, for a while they were (briefly) boycotting shows for this reason, but eventually broke down. The image Native Americans put forward of being nomadic, "one with nature" sorts who had no idea of property rights and were victimized and such is a political one. The Mohegans on the other hand were a settled people, they lived in villages made of long houses, while their techniques were not as refined as overseas they farmed, and they very much did understand the concept of property ownership, farmland, and similar things. The tribes on the east coast were substantially differant from the ones in the midwest, south, or west coast, so why should they dance like them, sing in a combined style, or tell stories that have absolutly nothing to do with their actual mythology. Ask your typical "well informed" American about Indian mythology and they will probably tell you about animal spirits, an earth spirit in all things, and stuff like that. Very few of them that have not visited the tribes down here in person are liable to have heard of Granny Squanit and the little people, her husband Mou'shup the Giant and others. Indeed storms were supposed to be when the two of them had their occasional fights.
I'm rambling and way off subject, the bottom line is that actual experience has convinced me that "primitive music" (the real stuff) is a contridiction in terms.
Also for those who have read this far, I do not think a lot of "rap" is music. To be honest a lot of it just seems to be people talking over a beat, rhyming isn't even a part of it a lot of the time, and if there is meter involved at all it frequently eludes me. Some "rap music" I've listened to has consisted of nothing but some rapper(s) talking about other groups of rappers and how they aren't "for real" or whatever else.
Or simply there is such a thing as rap music, but I think an increasing portion of it doesn't seem to be musical in the least. Nothing to do with the content, it just isn't.
Maybe it's a phase, but when I consider "Eminem" one of the few people in that style that is actually a musician (and I'm not a fan) and he seems to be hated by a lot of the community for that music, I find that a little disturbing.
I however feel that as the high end of human achievement has progressed, I think in an artistic sense certain things should no longer be considered music in anything but a technical sense.
In general I do not consider a bunch of primitive tribesmen making ear-raping noise by banging sticks and rocks together and such while howling to be "music". I think the progressiion of society has gotten to the point where something that primitive on it's own can no longer be considered music, except perhaps to it's performers, and typically they are only doing it either for the sake of cultural preservation (though to some extent you have to ask why someone would preserve that), or because they haven't been introduced to anything better that they could have/do practically.
Yes that is an elitist way of viewing things, but they are my thoughts.
Understand, I worked on two differant Indian reservations. Due to various festivals and such they have had displaced "indiginous peoples" from all over the world show up to play music and such. This has included native American tribes, but also aboriginals, african tribesman, and other similar groups. With rare exception, a lot of the performances wind up being of the sort that can almost cause physical pain to the listener.
Now, before someone says "I've heard Native American music, your nuts", I will tell you that you probably haven't, not really. See one of the contreversial things in Indian politics nowadays is about how they send the tribal members who are going to put on shows to special "Indian Schools" to learn how to dance, sing, tell stories, and similar things. They blend together the best elements of all the tribes, change it around quite a bit in order to sound as positive and poliically correct as possible, and present that as the face of Native America. To some tribes this is offensive, because it's not authentic, it's a political move.
To put things into perspective when I worked for the Mohegans, for a while they were (briefly) boycotting shows for this reason, but eventually broke down. The image Native Americans put forward of being nomadic, "one with nature" sorts who had no idea of property rights and were victimized and such is a political one. The Mohegans on the other hand were a settled people, they lived in villages made of long houses, while their techniques were not as refined as overseas they farmed, and they very much did understand the concept of property ownership, farmland, and similar things. The tribes on the east coast were substantially differant from the ones in the midwest, south, or west coast, so why should they dance like them, sing in a combined style, or tell stories that have absolutly nothing to do with their actual mythology. Ask your typical "well informed" American about Indian mythology and they will probably tell you about animal spirits, an earth spirit in all things, and stuff like that. Very few of them that have not visited the tribes down here in person are liable to have heard of Granny Squanit and the little people, her husband Mou'shup the Giant and others. Indeed storms were supposed to be when the two of them had their occasional fights.
I'm rambling and way off subject, the bottom line is that actual experience has convinced me that "primitive music" (the real stuff) is a contridiction in terms.
Also for those who have read this far, I do not think a lot of "rap" is music. To be honest a lot of it just seems to be people talking over a beat, rhyming isn't even a part of it a lot of the time, and if there is meter involved at all it frequently eludes me. Some "rap music" I've listened to has consisted of nothing but some rapper(s) talking about other groups of rappers and how they aren't "for real" or whatever else.
Or simply there is such a thing as rap music, but I think an increasing portion of it doesn't seem to be musical in the least. Nothing to do with the content, it just isn't.
Maybe it's a phase, but when I consider "Eminem" one of the few people in that style that is actually a musician (and I'm not a fan) and he seems to be hated by a lot of the community for that music, I find that a little disturbing.
I only really consider ambient or noise music as, well, noise. I cannot stand to listen to pop, but just because it's formulaic doesn't mean it isn't music. As electronic styles that border on noise: if it has a rhythm, I will call it music. I like metal, there is artistic intent and/or rhythm in everything I consider to be metal, so there you go.
I'm not sure if I'm proud or disappointed that the community here seems to be, for the mostpart, of the "rap is just talking" bandwagon. It's not. You might not like it, but it is quite clearly more then that. There seems to be no sign of us ditching the "all pop is talentless" thing though. The people who write pop are insanely talented at packaging the same song different ways, as the majority of people want their songs to be little more then catchy.
This is coming from somebody who finds Venetian Snares quite relaxing though.
More laid back song of his http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PBeKzVhWHY
I'm not sure if I'm proud or disappointed that the community here seems to be, for the mostpart, of the "rap is just talking" bandwagon. It's not. You might not like it, but it is quite clearly more then that. There seems to be no sign of us ditching the "all pop is talentless" thing though. The people who write pop are insanely talented at packaging the same song different ways, as the majority of people want their songs to be little more then catchy.
This is coming from somebody who finds Venetian Snares quite relaxing though.
More laid back song of his http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PBeKzVhWHY
Screamo music and Lil Wayne is just annoying and sounds like a broken record with a beat change from time to time
All music must be good to some extent, as the music wouldn't be prosuced if no-one liked it. However, i'm sure they meant "-you consider noise" to mean, "music that you don't like"
I consider a huge proportion of "popular music" to be the same song, about the same thing, produced with the same sound effects simply in a different order. It can be incredibly generic
Rap is also another offender, the stuff you usually hear is always about money, sex and drugs, anything else can be traced back to these three core topics
However, saying this i am very open minded about music and will listen to just about any song granted there's a good recommendation
Although no matter who says what, i'll never be able to listen to Justin Beiber seriously
I consider a huge proportion of "popular music" to be the same song, about the same thing, produced with the same sound effects simply in a different order. It can be incredibly generic
Rap is also another offender, the stuff you usually hear is always about money, sex and drugs, anything else can be traced back to these three core topics
However, saying this i am very open minded about music and will listen to just about any song granted there's a good recommendation
Although no matter who says what, i'll never be able to listen to Justin Beiber seriously
I hate to do this but, why did you feel the need to express this on a thread? why were you even here? It defies all rational logic. Not everyone here considers their taste to be the only taste and the question did ask us to put forward our opinionsHellz_Barz said:
Whatever the hell genre Early Man is. I had to put up with a roommate who played this one sports management game that had their song "Feeding Frenzy" in the soundtrack rotation. Their name is quite appropriate, as they have about as much musical sophistication as a caveman. Their lead singer just shouted the whole time, and the rhythm guitars (there were no other guitars, or non-percussion instruments) managed to sound even more toneless than rhythm guitars usually do.
Likewise, the song "Yes We Can" by Made in Mexico. Worst song in Guitar Hero II, even compared to "Institutionalized" which was at least funny to listen to.
Likewise, the song "Yes We Can" by Made in Mexico. Worst song in Guitar Hero II, even compared to "Institutionalized" which was at least funny to listen to.
Sorry for snipping but I just have to point out that yours was a very interesting post and I will readily agree with most of the points you raised.Therumancer said:
See what you did there in your post? everybody does it whenever someone brings up "what music do you hate?". I'm not sure if you did that on purpose cause most of your post seems neutral. Kinda looks like your saying its all sex, money and drugs. Maybe not everybody's is refusing to give rap any value but those that are have a misinformed opinion of it.BorisFriend said:
Most pop, rap, hip-hop, dance, rave and generally anything you would hear in a Night Club or on DJ Hero.
Ah, i thought that might be misinterpreted, sorry about that.Hellz_Barz said:
I meant that the majority of rap we hear on the radio commercially is often to do with those subjects (or subjects that are simply branching off). I'm hardly an expert on this genre, but if you'd like to point me in the direction of some good artists or songs, then i'd love to hear it