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Aiddon_v1legacy

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altnameJag said:
That's console wars for you. People, nerds in particular, have some silly impulse to not only champion their own preferences (which is fine), but to try to invalidate other people's preferences because...

Actually, I don't know the reason for that. At least, taken to this extreme.
That and we're in an age where no one is allowed to like anything without putting an asterisk next to it lest they be called a "fanboy/girl." It's rather joyless when you think about it
 

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Aiddon said:
altnameJag said:
That's console wars for you. People, nerds in particular, have some silly impulse to not only champion their own preferences (which is fine), but to try to invalidate other people's preferences because...

Actually, I don't know the reason for that. At least, taken to this extreme.
That and we're in an age where no one is allowed to like anything without putting an asterisk next to it lest they be called a "fanboy/girl." It's rather joyless when you think about it
There is really a difference between liking something and making fun of those who don't like the same thing.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
It's just not there when you actually crunch the numbers.
Apart from having a single machine thst will play all of your games arguably forever?

That I don't need to buy multiple vonsoles to play a game series?

That I csn build a pc cheaper than a PS4 Pro and PS3 combined that is not only better, but plays more stuff?

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3275353-switch-pushes-nintendo-market-cap-sonys
"Sales of the Switch have pushed Nintendo's (OTCPK:NTDOF, OTCPK:NTDOY) market cap up to $48.9B on the Tokyo Stock Exchange, above Sony's (NYSE:SNE) for the first time in nearly a year and the gaming giant's highest valuation since October 2008."
Your quote literally proves my point.

LMAO, at pre-order bonuses being pay2win mechanics. Why are you defending on-disc DLC?
LMAO?

Why are you defending the fact that "Wolf Link" in something like BotW should be considered DLC?

How is it at all comparable to cutting out an entire chapter of content ala Arkham Knight? Or MGSV?

I don't think PS4 games have that issue where you have to basically redownload the whole game plus update anymore like with PS3. I have a 500GB PS4 with over 20 games and still have about half the HD left.
DW8 Empires alone is like 20 GB. Horizon Zero Dawn is like 42.

On a 500GB PS4 you can have 9 big Sony releases before you have to make space to fit both download and installation file.

Again, you don't need flagship games to launch a console with. PS4 sold a million in the first 24 hours having no killer app. Sony manages to do better than Nintendo while not screwing over their customers nearly as much.
Define 'screwing customers over' because currently I'm getting more value out of my Switch.

Phone games are better than Switch games. There's loads of digital board games now, it's awesome.
I respectfully disagree. Also I play boardsgames more than my Switch. So far it's board games>PC>Switch>PS4.

Boardgaming in person is the best, I love my Netrunner... but a solo run through of a PACG adventure with a new character, Mage Knight game, or Gloomhaven is infinitely better than my PS4. It's almost as if different people have differeny tastes and different lifestyles, they aren't simply 'Nintendo fangirls'.
 

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Yoshi178 said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Yoshi178 said:
why can't you merely tell me why you care so much about whether i've played them or not?
Why can't you just answer the question?
You won't answer mine. why should i answer yours?
I asked first...

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That I csn build a pc cheaper than a PS4 Pro and PS3 combined that is not only better, but plays more stuff?
You can have a PS4 + a low-end gaming PC (plays anything from last-gen and prior) for the price of a gaming PC (that plays current games).

Your quote literally proves my point.
Only in Trump's America.

Why are you defending the fact that "Wolf Link" in something like BotW should be considered DLC?

How is it at all comparable to cutting out an entire chapter of content ala Arkham Knight? Or MGSV?
Yes, it shouldn't be considered DLC because it's on the disc and it's not downloadable. Accessing the on-disc content costs more than Arkham Knights content. MGS5, really? MGS5, the whole situation with Konami and Kojima is a very specific one-time scenario.

It's almost as if different people have differeny tastes and different lifestyles, they aren't simply 'Nintendo fangirls'.
PS4 has far far far more games meaning chances are pretty high that one will get more enjoyment out of a PS4 than any Nintendo console. Sure, some gamers may legitimately get more out of a Nintendo system but it will mainly be people with very specific tastes.
 

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dscross said:
Haha, I can't believe you've all kept this thread going for 10 pages worth!
I think Yoshi and Phoenix could keep the thread going for several pages at this rate.

It doesn't really matter what answer is given either. After all, how would you prove it.
 

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Yoshi178 said:
Let me ask you this. Do you defend Nintendo Switch for making a console that REQUIRES people to purchase extra storage? Nintendo has partnered with Sandisk a micro SD card company, https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3016619/nintendo-and-sandisk-partner-for-branded-nintendo-switch-microsd-cards and they have said that upcoming games will NOT be fully playable unless people buy bigger SD cards for their Switch.

Bigger games like NBA '18 and I would imagine the bigger RPG's like Pokemon, Skyrim, Xenoblade 2, etc all will be very limited experiences if you do not buy a SD card.

This of course, makes the Switch the first gaming console that requires players to buy extra storage to play games. I'm not talking about memory cards to save you game, I'm talking about extra purchases of expensive SD cards you NEED to buy to PLAY a game. Just play, nevermind saving the damn thing.
 

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This of course, makes the Switch the first gaming console that requires players to buy extra storage to play games. I'm not talking about memory cards to save you game, I'm talking about extra purchases of expensive SD cards you NEED to buy to PLAY a game. Just play, nevermind saving the damn thing.
The N64 had a similar requirement with its RAM pack for certain games to be played (e.g. Perfect Dark).
 

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Hawki said:
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This of course, makes the Switch the first gaming console that requires players to buy extra storage to play games. I'm not talking about memory cards to save you game, I'm talking about extra purchases of expensive SD cards you NEED to buy to PLAY a game. Just play, nevermind saving the damn thing.
The N64 had a similar requirement with its RAM pack for certain games to be played (e.g. Perfect Dark).
The difference with that was, most of those games that required the RAM, came with the ram pack. One of the Donkey Kong's if I remember correctly. Even then I can almost forgive the N84 because that was hardware limitations. The Switch doesn't have problems running the games (debately) it simply doesn't come with enough storage to even handle the file size of a game which is just bad consumer practice, and obviously it was intended to form this relationship with a SD card maker.

I'm okay with a system every once in a while needing to be cleaned out in order to play new games. My PS4 is only a 500GB system and I had to delete the game files for a few older games that I had finished in order to install and play Horizon earlier this year. I'm okay with that. But Nintendo has said that even if you have a completely new system with nothing else installed on the internal storage, there will be games that are outright too big for it. Meaning you HAVE to buy extra storage for the system to play these games. Let alone if you've already played and installed a few games on your switch. It makes you work how big these games will be considering Breath of the Wild played just fine without extra storage.
 

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Yoshi178 said:
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Yoshi178 said:
Let me ask you this.
No.

Quiet you. i'm in the middle of a war with Phoenix here if you didn't notice.
SO you can't refute an excuse for that shitty business practice. Good to know.

EDIT: Also the only war you seem to be having answer questions because you know that you are running out of legs to stand on, so it seems.
 

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CritialGaming said:
Yoshi178 said:
CritialGaming said:
Yoshi178 said:
Let me ask you this.
No.

Quiet you. i'm in the middle of a war with Phoenix here if you didn't notice.
SO you can't refute an excuse for that shitty business practice. Good to know.

EDIT: Also the only war you seem to be having answer questions because you know that you are running out of legs to stand on, so it seems.
if that's what you want to believe that's cool. :)
 

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Yoshi178 said:
CritialGaming said:
Yoshi178 said:
CritialGaming said:
Yoshi178 said:
Let me ask you this.
No.

Quiet you. i'm in the middle of a war with Phoenix here if you didn't notice.
SO you can't refute an excuse for that shitty business practice. Good to know.

EDIT: Also the only war you seem to be having answer questions because you know that you are running out of legs to stand on, so it seems.
if that's what you want to believe that's cool. :)
You could always just answer the question. *shrug*
 

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CritialGaming said:
Yoshi178 said:
CritialGaming said:
Yoshi178 said:
CritialGaming said:
Yoshi178 said:
Let me ask you this.
No.

Quiet you. i'm in the middle of a war with Phoenix here if you didn't notice.
SO you can't refute an excuse for that shitty business practice. Good to know.

EDIT: Also the only war you seem to be having answer questions because you know that you are running out of legs to stand on, so it seems.
if that's what you want to believe that's cool. :)
You could always just answer the question. *shrug*
He could always just answer mine. :3
 

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Yoshi178 said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Yoshi178 said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Yoshi178 said:
why can't you merely tell me why you care so much about whether i've played them or not?
Why can't you just answer the question?
You won't answer mine. why should i answer yours?
I asked first...
i asked 2nd. 2's a bigger number so i win.
Here's a hint
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.947699-Excclusive?page=1
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
Yoshi178 said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Yoshi178 said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Yoshi178 said:
why can't you merely tell me why you care so much about whether i've played them or not?
Why can't you just answer the question?
You won't answer mine. why should i answer yours?
I asked first...
i asked 2nd. 2's a bigger number so i win.
Here's a hint
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.947699-Excclusive?page=1
not good enough. you want an answer from me, you answer my question in full first rather than sharing vague "hints" to me or else i'm not answering the question.


You are the one who originally wanted something from me in this thread after all, not the other way around.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
You can have a PS4 + a low-end gaming PC (plays anything from last-gen and prior) for the price of a gaming PC (that plays current games).
I could however have a brand new PC for the cost of a brand new PS3 Slim and a brand new PS4 Pro. And I could have it play most current games including the entirety of the Witcher series on one machine. Assuming I don't have to do think like rebuy Windows, or a monitor.

I would be saving money, time, space, the parts are easily purchasable, and I can continue upgrading the machine as I get more money.

It would also be of superior tech. New processor, new motherboard, $75 dollar case with inbuilt 500W power supply, a cheap HDD. Sure it won't be a gamer's dream machine, but it will outperform the PS4 Pro.

Only in Trump's America.
A: For starters Nintendo has been actively competing and beating Sony's market cap for awhile now.
B: Sony has been stagnating since the Walkman.

Yes, it shouldn't be considered DLC because it's on the disc and it's not downloadable. Accessing the on-disc content costs more than Arkham Knights content. MGS5, really? MGS5, the whole situation with Konami and Kojima is a very specific one-time scenario.
As in you couldn't access it unless you preordered you mean? Wolf Link is a loveletter to the fans who buy a metric fuckton of Nintendo product. I have the Wolf Link Amiibo simply because it was actually easier to order the special remaster bundle of Twilight Princess in Australia than it was to buy a regular copy.

How many times have I used? Precisely once, for the novelty. That's different from telling future interested parties that entire story and gameplay basic additions were cut and monetised solely ro drive up preorder culture.

PS4 has far far far more games meaning chances are pretty high that one will get more enjoyment out of a PS4 than any Nintendo console.
Of which I will happen to play more often? ... not simply because I like Nintendo games more, but because I spend less time in my house than outside. If I'm inside why play the PS4 Pro beyond games like my current NG +9 Bloodborne run?

Sure, some gamers may legitimately get more out of a Nintendo system but it will mainly be people with very specific tastes.
Having a job and studying, or seeking greater convenience, isn't a 'taste'.
 

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Sure, some gamers may legitimately get more out of a Nintendo system but it will mainly be people with very specific tastes.
Having a job and study, or seeking greater convenience isn't a 'taste'.
What are you talking about here? If you are saying that the Switch being portable makes it a better system is a fundamentally flawed argument due to the fact that the Switch isn't really portable. It's a home console with a handheld capability, but having a 90-120 minute battery life doesn't qualify it as a portable to me. And it's convenience for you still doesn't make it the better system. So the original statement stands, that if you are a huge Nintendo fan who truly loves and gets endless hours of play from games like Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, etc, then sure the Switch can be your favorite system.

I don't think anyone here is trying to invalidate the Switch's ability to be a great console. What they are saying is that it isn't a great console yet. Additionally everyone, i've seen, has made the concession that people who solely love Nintendo games above all else are probably going to favor the Switch no matter what. But objectively the system has nothing going for it to make it a stand out system in the history of gaming systems.

Not yet anyway.