No Haters: If you love Halo so much tell me this. . .

[Kiju]

halo might have set a new standard for CONSOLE shooters, assuming that absolutely no-one had heard of timesplitters or goldeneye.....

Or Turok, for that matter.

Timesplitters was awesome, yes. Never played as much as Goldeneye, or Turok, but it was way ahead of its time.

Goldeneye and Turok, on the N64 controller, can't be considered in the same realm as TS and Halo. I love 007, quite a bit, but strafing and aiming up and down with the C buttons, no jumping or falling, and sputtering frame rate get embarrassed by the polish of games like Halo.

007 is still one of my favorite games of all time, but let's be honest here and not look through rose-tinted glasses.

Um...maybe the difference was an entire console generation? >.>

Turok was one of the most entertaining FPS games I've ever played, and definitely had a lot of cool weapons to try out that Doom first started, and Turok expanded on. The Tek Bow was still my favorite, and will probably be my favorite weapon for a long time to come.

There's also Perfect Dark (The first one, never played the other one), Quake, Unreal Tournament...a lot of games that came before Halo. Halo didn't revolutionize the FPS genre at all. The only thing it managed to do was take a lot of elements from other games, combine them into one, and it somehow struck at just the right moment. I'm not denying that Halo is a good game, it's a blast...especially when I have a friend to play it with, but it wasn't "revolutionary" in the slightest.

 

[Arenari]

halo might have set a new standard for CONSOLE shooters, assuming that absolutely no-one had heard of timesplitters or goldeneye.....

Timesplitters was freaking epic. That's all I have to say on this discussion.

 

[skennedy929]

Um...maybe the difference was an entire console generation? >.>

Turok was one of the most entertaining FPS games I've ever played, and definitely had a lot of cool weapons to try out that Doom first started, and Turok expanded on. The Tek Bow was still my favorite, and will probably be my favorite weapon for a long time to come.

There's also Perfect Dark (The first one, never played the other one), Quake, Unreal Tournament...a lot of games that came before Halo. Halo didn't revolutionize the FPS genre at all. The only thing it managed to do was take a lot of elements from other games, combine them into one, and it somehow struck at just the right moment. I'm not denying that Halo is a good game, it's a blast...especially when I have a friend to play it with, but it wasn't "revolutionary" in the slightest.

It was evolutionary, and quite a polished gem at that.

Turok, for me, is ultimately forgettable. We need not get into that now though. UT was only PC, as far as I know, and Quake did get ported to the N64 eventually but I doubt it was a stunning reproduction of the PC game.

Really, the only game that was out during Halo CEs time that could hold a candle to it, modern FPS wise (there's that modern word again, oh no) is Timesplitters.

 

[RanX3roX]

Look... Every FPS is basically the same thing.
Halo however has re-playability at least for me and my friends and xbox live friends. Halo Reach takes everything you have ever loved about Halo and added a Tyrannosaurus Rex level of awesomeness. Bungie has put into Reach what we (fans of halo) have been asking for.
Pistol? check... Balanced battle rifle (DMR)?... check, Firefight with matchmaking... check. Bungie has added customization allowing you to create your own Firefight levels...(yes I know Gears did Horde mode) but you know what? Halo does horde mode better, like a lot better. Halo is NOT the best game evar... no its not... but it is a good game, a very good game. And its fun to get drunk playing on xbox live with old friends and new and blow shit up and kill who ever you can. Oh did you see the map editor... and what new <cough (COD) game now has video capability??? Where has that been for years? Halo.

 

[shabobble]

In the case of Reach? Jetpacks.

And no, Dark Void doesn't count. As Yahtzee says, Dark Void is basically an example of developers stopping the game-making process halfway through. It sucks, and its not a real game.

 

[Miles Tormani]

In the case of Reach? Jetpacks.

And no, Dark Void doesn't count. As Yahtzee says, Dark Void is basically an example of developers stopping the game-making process halfway through. It sucks, and its not a real game.

You cannot deny the awesomesauce that is jetpacks, either way. The only reason I got Operation: Fallen Star for Warhawk was because there were jetpacks.

 

[Siuki]

I know a lot of people frown on multiplayer ever since ZP decided it was uncool, but, in my opinion, Halo has the best co op of any game I've ever played. And I've played L4D. Also, there's so much potential for dumb fun on forge and custom games, I love some of the minigames people have created.
Is it origonal though? I don't think so, but I don't care. What's fun is fun, and Halo certainly is. I can see why it might not appeal to some people though.

Once Reach comes out, I'll be co-oping the campaign with my brother on Heroic. What other game lets you do that these days? Also, Forge mode. It was like a little official built-in Garry's Mod that let you get creative with mapmaking.

 

[LightOfDarkness]

A Mr. Freeman would like to speak with you, sir.

 

[ObsessiveSketch]

But what does Halo possibly have that no other shooter has now? I know this is mostly from my opinion but creativity wise, there isn't much that has been added. Or at least not original to Halo.

Has now? More like "had then". Half-Life, released 1997, had comparable gameplay. I don't know why people say that Halo "redefined the genre", because VALVe pretty much beat them to it by 4 years. story-wise, I've heard that Halo's fine, but Half-Life was no slouch either. The only differences I can see between the two are graphics and cutscenes.

PS. Unless you think about the weapons system, as Halo had a sort of scavenger feel to it, with only 2 weapon slots, while Half-Life only limited your ammo. Even still, not a big enough difference to warrant a genre shift, IMO.

EDIT:

A Mr. Freeman would like to speak with you, sir.

dammit, ninja'd

 

[TheSentinel]

I don't get what all of the fuss is about, everyone knows the best FPS ever was Jurassic Park: Trespasser.

 

[scorch 13]

(sign)The halo haters are here and god knows there going to instigate shit to the point of flames.Oh and you pissed off the valve fanboys to,go figure.

 

[LordGarbageMan]

I like halo because it is simple and very smooth, and that is also why I like starcraft. Halo Reach doesn't offer anything new, except for better graphics. But I guess I really can't stand by that because I haven't played it sooo...

 

[linkzeldi]

It has a laser sword. How man other Fps's have laser swords?

Deus Ex, Star Wars: the Clone Wars, System Shock 1$2, and my modded TF2 games...
all of which are better... except for maybe Star Wars...

Apparently a lot of FPS's have laser swords. . . I suppose the question now is why play halo when I can go play Deus ex?

 

[Shapsters]

I know a lot of people frown on multiplayer ever since ZP decided it was uncool, but, in my opinion, Halo has the best co op of any game I've ever played. And I've played L4D. Also, there's so much potential for dumb fun on forge and custom games, I love some of the minigames people have created.
Is it origonal though? I don't think so, but I don't care. What's fun is fun, and Halo certainly is. I can see why it might not appeal to some people though.

Hey you took my words! ;D

I have FUN whilst playing Halo, especially when I am playing with four local friends online. There is no doubt in my mind that I have enjoyed my time with Halo 3 more than with any other game, riding in mongooses and popping heads with my buddy has been tons of fun. Is it the most creative or innovative game? No. But who really gives a shit when you end a long game of driving around with your buddies and are laughing and high fiving purely because of how much fun you had? I sure don't.

 

[Jaxs]

I like the Halo franchise but I maintain to this day that if the Timesplitters franchise had the same exposure as Halo did, then Timesplitters would have wiped the floor with Halo.

 

[Requx]

For each genre every game has its differences. Some Rts focus on combat where other focus on resource building. Same goes for Fps's some focus on team work like battle field and some focus on killing very fast and dealing a ton of damage. Some focus on on over the top weapons and no ways of healing like UT3, and halo has its place as a very mobile and tactical shooter. Its great because your not totally screwed when somebodys shooting your back and its very balanced unlike some shooters. It just depeneds what pace you like really. But halo does what it does best.

 

[HereForFreeFood]

I like the Halo franchise but I maintain to this day that if the Timesplitters franchise had the same exposure as Halo did, then Timesplitters would have wiped the floor with Halo.

Yeah, you could make your own maps fill them with gun-wielding monkeys, and kill as many as you want split-screen...god, I miss that game.

 

[TheGreatCoolEnergy]

It offers a fun afternoon when you don't have anything better to do

 

[NoNameMcgee]

But quite honestly, it seems like you constantly make an effort to say how mediocre you think it is. I've seen heaps of posts from you since I joined, in Half-Life threads and other unrelated threads where you always seem to whoosh in for no other reason than to insult Half-Life.

I don't mean to be a dick to you in particular, especially since your post was most definitely not directed to me, but I would like to point out that it seems like every Halo thread has someone else that does the exact same thing as what you say here. The only difference is that they're jumping in to bash Halo as opposed to Half-Life.

For a perfect example, read the very first reply to this thread.

I don't know; I just want more people to do what you say here:

I mean, there are plenty of games I hate that plenty of people here love, but I don't feel the need to shoehorn in a sentence about how much I hate it; even in topics where it is actually relevant to the subject I generally just avoid them.

Wishful thinking I suppose.

I wasn't talking about people expressing their opinions in general; forums are for discussion afterall and everyone is allowed to give their input on topics, whether positive or negative.

But yeah, why keep posting about something you dislike? Especially when the complaints are not constructive and obviously meant to rile people up, it's just subtle trolling. I was really talking about that specific user and his seemingly desperate need to be noticed by repeating himself over and over again everytime he gets the opportunity.