Obama is a Fascist and a Communist?

[oktalist]

I'm sorry, I don't like any president, democrat or republican, who increases the deficit by 7 trillion dollars (with interest: 20 trillion) in a year and a half. just... no. You can't justify that, ever.

Source? Wikipedia claims US public debt has increased by 7 trillion in the past 8 years, of which 1.3 trillion of that increase has happenned over the past year and a half. And its source is the White House budget. And interest applies to all debt and is dependent upon how long the debt exists for, so "with interest: 20 trillion" looks pretty meaningless to me.

And it seems to me that the president does not have as much control over the deficit as you seem to think he does.

Also, can someone explain what is the problem with debt, anyway? I mean, I know what my problem with it is: the same as my problem with the money system as a whole, the same system we've had for hundreds of years: it's unfair and we don't need it. But for someone who thinks the money system is basically okay, what is the problem with debt? Debt fuels the economy, it creates more money in the system, and it is mainly owed to US government accounts and American corporations and citizens anyway.

 

[Eggsnham]

He's not... And even if he was one of those, I wouldn't give a shit, because I plan on moving to some European country the minute I'm eighteen.


Also, Communism isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's just the endless propaganda that makes us think otherwise.

 

[Omnific One]

@OT: Thank you. I have had to tell this to hundreds of rabid conservatives for years now. It's not hard to understand, people.

 

[Unesh52]

Ok, again, this is Off-Topic, right? Doesn't this topic belong in Religion and Politics? Correct me if I'm wrong.

No, it doesn't. But people still post it here anyway.

Seems like something the mods should handle. Should I report the OP?

 

[Lord Mountbatten Reborn]

If we use the horseshoe diagram in relation to Fascism and "Orthodox" Communism, then they do start to look similar. However, since these idiots don't seem to understand what real Fascism/Communism would be like, I shall dismiss their accusations. President Obama is most certainly not either, and the Patriot Act is the most "Fascist" legislation I've seen from the US recently.

 

[AgDr_ODST]

he's neither(and he's not really liberal) he's a radical progressive. Though call him what you will he's bad for America and I personally am counting down the days until he's out of office

 

[Akalistos]

Ok now I live in Canada and I have heard some of my US friends and other people in the US that I don't really know(online game stuff)say that Obama is a Fascist and a Communist. But what I don't understand is that isn't fascism one extreme of the political scale and communism the other? So what I am trying to say is what do they really mean? Or are they just saying random ignorant things? (Also I don't have a super understanding of politics this is just something I have been trying to figure out so please correct me if I am wrong)

PS Please lets not start something here the only thing I want here is my question answered (or corrected)

Propaganda. I'm Canadian too and I can't understand why you said that. It's likewise in all political structure, like Canada. Instead of putting forward a campaign and ideas to help a country, the just attack the opposition like a internet debate. That's something i picked up in Politic Class.

Because if you don't agree with me, you're a raging homosexual transvestite and a Nazi. (get it?)

 

[chrono16]

I don't think that Obama is either one, but he is trying to shake the foundation that is in place in this country and its scaring a lot of people. The foundation needs to be changed and uprooting it in the short time he has been in office is off-putting with a lot of Americans. A lot of Americans are ignorant though as well. They think they know what goes on when they really have no idea. I really think there should be some kind of bar that you would have to pass to be able to vote. Then maybe smear campaigns would phase out cause they would have less impact.

 

[Ninonybox_v1legacy]

Yeah, safe to say your friends aren't very well educated on international politics. But that's America, my man.
Oh, and by the way, Canada is, collectively, my hero.

so true....canada is amazing, they got there shit together.

 

[spacecowboy86]

i'm from USA... USAnian? and i do believe that obama is at the very lease, socialist, as he is constantly trying to be robin hood, (stealing from the rich, giving to the poor) but he is also trying to support corporations... he just doesn't want them to keep all their money.

 

[Aerodyamic]

If four years of studying political philosophy has taught me anything, it's that:
1)The words Socialism/Communism/Fascism/Totalitarianism are NOT interchangeable, regardless of what Fox News will have you erroneously believe. And whilst fascism is normally totalitarian, socialism doesn't have to be, and as I'm sure will have been stated by the time I've finished writing, true communism is necessarily stateless (hence the USSR was not communist, but a perversion of socialism).

2)Obama is not a socialist/communist by any stretch of the imagination. He's a liberal, and thus pro-capitalist. Universal healthcare may have its roots in socialism, but these days it is rather commonly accepted to be morally 'right' across the globe (or at least in nations that can afford it/have it as a priority). As for the claim of fascism, in common usage, it's a pejorative slur often used without evidence in place of real debate, and I see no concrete way in which it can be justified against Obama.

To sum up, despite my strong dislike of Obama, he is neither a communist, nor a fascist, and those two terms are more different than is peddled by the ignorant and those seeking to discredit one or the other.

Spoiler: Totally off-topic, and horribly irrelevant

Is it wrong that I want to take your forum name literally? I think we could make a lot of money if we were to 'free market your arse' in the right portions of society. I think we just need to find some attractive people that fit your sexual tastes, with large amounts of disposable income, and we're golden.

As your prospective manager, I'd only want 7.5% and limo service between bookings.

 

[Ih8pkmn]

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The people asking this question do realize that Communism and Fascism are opposites, right?

RIGHT!?!

 

[elvor0]

It is cos he iz black innit lake.

I would imagine someones already said that, but I'll say it anyway, because it makes me giggle

 

[Communist partisan]

Ehm... The last REAL Communism was Yugoslavia.