Obama is a Fascist and a Communist?

[Spacelord]

Personally I heard he worships Satan and eats stem cells for sustenance.

 

[Lawyer105]

Neither... Obama is the best thing to happen to the Americans since the early 1900's - too bad most of them are too stupid to realise it and will probably vote him out at the next election!

 

[oktalist]

Back to the point: Fascism and Communism are not exactly opposite in regards to American political ideology. The left is seen as strong government (both of those) and the right is seen as a more relaxed government (republicans, or more extreme anarchy). However, many political commentators (Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are the more popular ones of these) use them as buzz words to inspire emotion from their viewers (similarly when Chris Mathews calls Republicans Nazis).

"Relaxed" is not the term I would use to describe the Bush administration. Democratic and Republican presidents have been about the same as far as authoritarianism, and giving powers to government.

And as a socialist I would point out that communism/socialism is about small government and the rights of the individual, and is much closer to anarchy. And anarchy is on the far left, not the right. The US has a really backwards political compass.

Richard Nixon wanted to introduce universal free healthcare.

Richard Nixon was a communist. Discuss.

 

[Cabisco]

He's also a hitler and a Muslim, it's all very strange really. Him being called a Muslim is where I start to get angry though, starts to make you really wonder about some people. I just try and remember that you don't get good ratings for putting rational people in the spotlight, the Mad inbreds take the limelight so I know most of what I see will be from a tiny section of American society.

 

[Wordslinger]

The people who say that Obama is a socialist probably have never had the term explained to them. Here's a hint: Socialized medicine != Socialism. Likewise with Communism. People just see it as "OMG EVIL COMMIES!", without even knowing what Communism is.

 

[MGlBlaze]

I suggest they look up the words 'fascist' and 'communist' because I don't think they mean what they think they mean.

They're just random ignorants. There are people who call others 'fascist' just because said person does or believes something the ignorant does not agree with. Same thing with 'communist'. Both are pretty absurd.

 

[Agayek]

Facism and communism are two of the most opposing political idealogies on the planet, so your friends are pretty damn stupid, at least in a political sense.

They're just saying facism and communism because to a lot of democrats and capatalists they sound scary and 'different', because 'OMG HITLER WAS A FACIST' and 'OMG COMMUNISM MEANS NO FREEDOM'. They are simply buzzwords used by those who dislike Obama.

Those two phrases were used ironically, to be safe.

To be fair, in every example of Communism put into practice in the history of humanity, it has much more in common with Fascist ideology than true Marxist thought. That being nigh complete control of the people by the State.

And you cannot argue that Obama's at least not making steps in that general direction. Government mandates determining what a corporation will or can/can't do, along with mandating health insurance for everyone, even those who don't want it, etc. It's nowhere near actual Fascism or whatever, but it is headed in that direction.

Personally, I think the whole thing is a load of bullshit and if you're gonna make comparisons, they should at least not be kneejerk fearmongering, but they aren't wholly wrong, per se.

 

[Lawyer105]

Neither... Obama is the best thing to happen to the Americans since the early 1900's - too bad most of them are too stupid to realise it and will probably vote him out at the next election!

Yeah, what great time that was. 90-hour work weeks for chump change, roving gangs in large cities, limited rights to civilians, polio...

If we're harkening back to that shit, we really are in trouble.

And why not... after the mess the last few presidents have made, you almost HAVE to go back that far! I mean seriously, people... you elected Bush TWICE?!?

 

[pope_of_larry]

found a pic of your friend http://radicalrecruit.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/glenn_beck.jpg

 

[Agayek]

"Relaxed" is not the term I would use to describe the Bush administration. Democratic and Republican presidents have been about the same as far as authoritarianism, and giving powers to government.

Exactly right. There's very little real difference between Democrats and Republicans. It's actually rather depressing. They argue and blame each other for everything, but they are basically aiming for the same thing.

And as a socialist I would point out that communism/socialism is about small government and the rights of the individual, and is much closer to anarchy. And anarchy is on the far left, not the right. The US has a really backwards political compass.

Ideal Communism is definitely closer to anarchy than anything else. Unfortunately, it has never been implemented as such. Communist uprisings always get to the "upheaval" stage, replace the government with something pro-Communist-party, then corruption sets in and it never actually reaches a Communist state.

As for the political compass, everything I've found on the internet is that the Left is (basically) pro-government while the Right is (basically) anti-government. The most widely accepted form of the political compass has 2 scales, one being the horizontal economic scale, and the vertical Authoritarian(Up)/Libertarian(Down) scale. On the economic scale, the Left supports a state controlled economy while the Right supports a free-market economic policy. Authoritarian and Libertarian scales should be self-explanatory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_compass

 

[gl1koz3]

You can tell that all they watch is Fox News.

 

[Unesh52]

Ok, again, this is Off-Topic, right? Doesn't this topic belong in Religion and Politics? Correct me if I'm wrong.