Obama is a Fascist and a Communist?

[zehydra]

Random ignorants. Probably the same people who didn't vote for him cause hes black.

Plus its hard to define either, as Stalin's Russia is closer to a fascist regime then a communist society. True communism would be the antitheses of fascism, but we have not seen true communism in about 33,000 years of human history.

Obama is a good guy who is being over-rated, causing a backlash like this. But hell, thats society for you.

Just phase them by pointing out that technically America is not a democracy, it is a Republic. From there expand to basic trolling.

This is all I can say.

In order for true communism to be the antithesis of fascism, it would my guess have to look like anarcho-communism?

 

[Flac00]

communism and facism are Two extremes of political thought...

Funny thing is when you go to the extreme of left or right the philosophies end up similar, partly I think, to the rigid thinking required to adhere to these thoughts....one thing similar to both is the belief that state is more important than the individual and in that many obama critics feel he is making the state too strong through policies such as healthcare reform and intervening too much in the lives of private citizens... now the irony that many of these same people voted for the bush administration which put out the patriot act which ran roughshod over the constitution far more than anything obama has put forwaed is not lost on many. unfortunately as well many of americas flaws come from too much emphasis on the individual over the state, almost the polar opposite of comunism and facism

YOU ARE THE MOST REASONABLE PERSON HERE!
I am not being ironic, seriously. The fact is that the people who say Obama is a fascist and communist, or just one of those does not know what they are talking about. In fact, many of Obama's policies were put forward by well known republicans like Reagan and Mcain. A lot of what Obama is doing is moderate and neither Leftist or Rightist (if that is a word). The only reason people hate him is for 2 reasons. 1: They listen to the lies put out by Rush Limbough, Fox News, MSNBC (yes i know they are liberal) and by any other radical news organization. People hate Obama because they are either ignorant or have some sort of subconscious reason. Which brings me to 2: they have racist undertones. I'm not saying all or even most are racist, but there are some things that lead to it. Thinking he is a Kenyan, a terrorist, the antichrist, etc. is all based on racism. You (generic person) might not be, but certainly a lot of other people might be.

 

[Bocaj2000]

Communism and Fascism aren't on opposite sides of the spectrum because they're both totalitarian, meaning the state is just about god-like int terms of authority. Fascism is more or less the companies can do what they want, but all they do is ultimately for the state. Communism eliminates companies entirely, you just work for the state. So actually, they are fairly close to each other, although a communist would probably knife you if you told him that.

Although their ideologies are polar, what you say is true. Maybe that's why many communist leaders convert to fascism...

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communism and facism are Two extremes of political thought...

*SNIP

YOU ARE THE MOST REASONABLE PERSON HERE!
I am not being ironic, seriously. The fact is that the people who say Obama is a fascist and communist, or just one of those does not know what they are talking about. In fact, many of Obama's policies were put forward by well known republicans like Reagan and Mcain. A lot of what Obama is doing is moderate and neither Leftist or Rightist (if that is a word). The only reason people hate him is for 2 reasons. 1: They listen to the lies put out by Rush Limbough, Fox News, MSNBC (yes i know they are liberal) and by any other radical news organization. People hate Obama because they are either ignorant or have some sort of subconscious reason. Which brings me to 2: they have racist undertones. I'm not saying all or even most are racist, but there are some things that lead to it. Thinking he is a Kenyan, a terrorist, the antichrist, etc. is all based on racism. You (generic person) might not be, but certainly a lot of other people might be.

/agree

 

[pantsoffdanceoff]

The same way someone could be a Roman Catholic and a Satanist. If anything you could call him a Socialist, but communist is far too extreme and Fascist... just doesn't make sense.

 

[reiem531]

Yes, Obama is all of these. He's also a gay Muslim Jew Mormon who never wears a seatbelt. He wants to murder your grandma, take all your guns away, murder your grandpa, murder you dog, take all of your guns again, then murder your other grandma.

 

[sirkai007]

You can't actually expect people to know shit about politics! Seriously, people should have to pass a quiz proving they actually know about politics before they vote.

They used to do that in the U.S. It was to keep poorer and under educated black people from voting.

 

[Flac00]

One could argue that it is fascist to order corporations around through federal directives.

No no, that's "communism" again.

No, that's Mussolini style fascism. Communist governments own the industries, fascist governments just direct them.

Yeah, that's the confusing thing. If you have read any of Mussolini's papers, you know that the two ideologies are two polar opposites. But they both lead to somewhat of the same circumstance. Yet they are opposite in the fact that communism (actually more socialism which is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT) is based on the people of the nation as a whole, while fascism is based on the state. Boiled down, communism is an extremely autocratic and totalitarian version of socialism, which changes it completely, while fascism is just an oligarchy wrapped up in nationalism.

 

[Zhukov]

He's a an islamofasciestcommienazi.

Duh.

 

[MaVeN1337]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kHhc67GopM

This movie made me realize how much i didn't know about the government, It completely clears up any and all confusion about the worlds governments.

 

[Withall]

Incidentally, he's neither. He's a man trying to do a very difficult job, and I don't envy him one damn bit.

Hit the nail on the head here. Most Americans think that position of president is a sort of Olympian throne from which he issues edicts and has absolute power. In fact, the president is merely part of a HUGE bureaucracy, has little direct power, is crucified every time he opens his mouth by one side or the other, and has literally dozens, if not hundreds, of items on his agenda EVERY DAY. When the news isn't talking about it, it's very easy to forget about our collapsing eonomy, TWO foreign wars, legislature that isn't "newsworthy", and the hundreds of other things that go on that we are simply not able or allowed to understand.

To really understand what it is to be president, enter a job for which you haven't been trained, have 150 supervisors shouting orders at you, a dozen or so assignments to complete by the end of the day, and all while keeping your cool and trying to please everyone.

Disclaimer:
I know NOTHING of the bureaucracy behind nation-wide politics, so I might be talking crazy-talk here, but let me say the below.
End Disclaimer.

I have an issue with the four last words in the final sentence.
Politics is about finding out what the majority thinks about , not to make sure everyone is happy. I might be naive here, and I might open up a can of worms with my statement, but politics used to be:

"OK. THESE people wants THIS to happen. THESE people do NOT want THIS to happen. The people who want it to happen outnumber the people who do not want it. Thus, this will happen (this=)."

These days though, I get the impression that politics has become "We would like to do this, but we wanna be sure people are OK with this. We're cool, ja? Don't wanna offend anyone".


Any one else who might think the same way I do? Also, I don't support either styles of government. I'm a capitalist, with VERY strong socialist coloring. And, to make it obvious... I'm swedish. I think I have *some* idea how a country that can focus on taking care of the people that are genuinely welcome here.

If anyone disagrees, please, point it out.

 

[Fallen-Angel Risen-Demon]

well hes better then bush

That's not saying much. A cucumber would be a better president than Bush.

As would it be better then Gorden Brown.
OT: they're just saying random things 'cus they don't agree with him...
I guess.

 

[Elesar]

Well one could make the argument, but not in the way they mean.

See, as much as I like Obama, the word that best describes him is moderate, so one COULD make the argument that since he's somewhere in the center, being a fascist and a communist have balanced each other out, leaving him in the middle.

More honestly, it's ignorant people using stupid insults without any heed for it's meaning. Pay them no mind.

 

[Mumonk]

The White House's vision is perhaps a prelude to the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, which will go before Congress later this year. The bill would make P2P or BitTorrent client development a criminal offense if the distributed software was used for infringement. It also implements an interesting provision called "imminent infringement", which allows the government to charge people who they think might be about to infringe with a civil offense (for example if you searched "torrent daft punk"). This is among the first official "THOUGHT CRIME" provisions to be proposed by the U.S. government. The bill also makes it a criminal offense to bypass DRM.

Opinions about piracy aside, the Obama administration wants to invoke a thought crime bill. Thats wrong on so many levels I can't even fathom. I actually was fooled into thinking Obama might be legit. I always thought it would have been some evil christian conservative to start thought crime. Just goes to show you can't trust any politician. You really can't trust anyone that makes over $100,000 a year when you think about it =P

 

[Daverson]

A lot of people don't understand the difference between various political systems, it's not so much of a left wing/right wing split, then it is between views on equality and ownership.

Fascism is characterised by a complete lack of equality and big government. Communism is characterized by equality of outcome (no matter how hard you work, everyone gets the same), and big government.

For comparison, Libertarianism (Capitalism) is characterized by small government and formal equality (you're equal in the eyes of the law), while socialism is characterized by small(ish) government and equality of opportunity (everyone's given the same starting point).

For those who aren't clear on the big government/small government thing, big government is what you'd see in, for example, North Korea, where everything is owned by the state, whereas small government is a situation like you have in the US, where almost all industry is privately owned. Small government is almost always a sign of better individual liberty.

Obama is definitely neither a fascist nor a communist. He may veer more towards socialism than other presidents, but he's no Lenin! D=

(It's worth noting that fascism and communism are actually a lot closer related than the left/right split idea would suggest)

 

[spartan231490]

They are saying random ignorant things, but it isn't impossible to have a government that is both facist and communist, although it is a bit of a corruption of communism, it has been done before.

 

[Baconmonster723]

Well one could make the argument, but not in the way they mean.

See, as much as I like Obama, the word that best describes him is moderate, so one COULD make the argument that since he's somewhere in the center, being a fascist and a communist have balanced each other out, leaving him in the middle.

More honestly, it's ignorant people using stupid insults without any heed for it's meaning. Pay them no mind.

No offense. But Obama is nowhere near a moderate. He is a liberal posing as a moderate to garner support. I'm a moderate. Along with the vast majority of Americans. Obama, is not one.

 

[geldonyetich]

Americans have this weird thing i like to call the "Logic" train, here is how it works.

Lets take an example

healthcare > Not enough doctors for plan > Some patients get lower priority > Some patients will be ignored > Some patients will be murdered > A commitee will choose who dies > Obamma chooses who dies > It might be your grandma > It will be your grandma > Obama is going to murder your grandma > Obama likes murdering grandmas > "LOLOL IM AN IGNORANT AMERICAN SPOUTING COMMUNISM AND NAZI LIKE I ACTUALLY HAVE A VALID POINT."

Heh, I like that. Of course, it's not all the "logic" train - these people are often getting fed a never-ending procession of TV and radio commercials/commentators that are telling blatant lies in hopes to pushing political agenda.

The kinds of people behind Fox News expect the average voter to be a nimrod who won't bother to research the truths of what they're saying and will go along with whatever as long as they act like they're being patriotic... and this is often an accurate expectation to have. America empowers corporate criminals because the public check-and-balance that is Democracy's strong point can't work if the majority has no clue when they step into the polling office.

It's really reached the point where, given two real presidential candidates (and it's always only two real candidates - anybody else who might be running is a throwaway vote) the difference between the Democrat and the Republican is just how blatantly they choose to go about their corporate pandering. The Democrats have a little more government regulation and taxation involved, however, the Democrats are every bit as much lobbyists [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobbying_in_the_United_States] working for corporate interests as are the Republicans.

Thus, a lot of what Obama has been trying to do is compromise with his big-business bosses, and the reason why his vaulted Change has not occurred has to do with their being hesitant to sacrifice profit for the greater good of the country. So much so that they throw a big, multi-million dollar tantrum in the form of the kind of blatant public mind-poisoning that would spawn the ridiculous Tea Party which is more or less specifically dedicated to complaining about regulation ("Fascism!") and taxes ("Communism/Socialism!").

That's more or less the political landscape of the United States right now. It's not pretty, and as we fall further and further into debt, it's looking more and more like our abuse of the precious gift of Democracy is going to get us eaten alive by our primary debtor [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt#Foreign_ownership], China, a Communist Republic. Assuming climate change doesn't kill most of us off first. The next few decades should be interesting.

You know, this thread really needs to go into the religion and politics [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/index/528-Religion-and-Politics] forum.

 

[Woodsey]

Fascism and Communism aren't opposites - communism and capitalism are. The opposite of a fascist would be more akin to an anarchist.

Whilst anyone dumb enough to label Obama as the next Hitler or whatever clearly doesn't know what they're talking about, they get the idea of him being a communist because he's - shock and awe - tried to pass a healthcare bill that means people can get medical attention without having to worry about paying for it.

For a country so big on christianity (especially those on the conservative side) they sure don't like any sense of helping anyone else out.