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SuccessAndBiscuts said:
Good god people PC stands for "Personal Computer" A Mac is a PC, why do so many people insist on getting this wrong and thinking there are only two choices?
lol yes this always annoys me. I've run into mac users that don't believe me when the subject comes up of PowerPC arch being in the older macs, I guess because PowerPC has the letters `PC' in it. And they're like `PC is Windows and that's stupid, Apple would never use any shitty Windows shit' and I can't fucking facepalm hard enough 9_9 It doesn't even stand for the same thing.

But yeah, Apple was making PC's for a few years before Microsoft bought MS-DOS. I don't know what Apple's trying to say with their commercials. Actually when you think about it, those commercials really get it backwards. Apple sells PCs, and Microsoft doesn't, they just sell the OS. Which is bullshit, useful software should be free. Not that Microsoft's shit is particularly useful.

SuccessAndBiscuts said:
Open source is the way forward! Viva la Revolution! Free as in speech not free as in beer.

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html

Etc..
Well, free as in beer too. But that's not as important, it's just a nice feature :p
But yes, Open Source for the win.
 

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And this is why people hate Apple.

Not because they're douchebags, a lot of companies are like that.

No, because they're pretentious douchebags, passing off everything they sell like it's the next technological revolution, then pulling shit like this.

Also, I hate Steve Jobs. Something about him makes me want to pummel his smirk face in with a cinder block.

You put it perfectly.
 

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Aah, Apple. The company you love to hate. Unless you actually OWN one of their computers.

I've been 100% Apple for over 10 years and have never had a real issue, neither with my desktops, laptops and iDevices. True, their innovation zeal sometimes knows no bounds and they risk alienating customers that way. But that's no reason to burn the company down.

Anyways, storms like these might bring them down to earth again. Even if it's just for a day.
 

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SuccessAndBiscuts said:
Good god people PC stands for "Personal Computer" A Mac is a PC, why do so many people insist on getting this wrong and thinking there are only two choices?
People don't get this wrong. Have you forgotten about all the Apple marketing? The whole "Mac vs. PC" thing? Apple doesn't brand their computers as PCs even though they technically are, so it makes sense that people wouldn't consider Macs to be PCs.

OT: Don't really know much about Apple products. Windows has treated me well enough over the year so I never once considered switching. This sounds pretty bad but not being educated about Apple products I'm not sure how much of it is really true.
 

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I mean no offence to anyone, but isn't a man called Rupert with a daughter called Flora such a stereotypical Apple customer?

Anyway, on topic: In my experience Apple seem to have ADHD when it comes to support. I'm sure I read somewhere that Steve Jobs would like people to buy every update of the iPod. That includes slight increases in HDD size. They only seem to bother about 'the next big thing' without bothering about the people and systems already out there.
 

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This is why I will stick with my PC. It does everything I want it to do with minimum fuss. I do have an old style shuffle and nano, both of which I love, but never in a million years would I want a mac computer, and this news article has made me want one even less. Nice job shooting yourself in the foot Apple. Bravo.
 

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Internet Kraken said:
SuccessAndBiscuts said:
Good god people PC stands for "Personal Computer" A Mac is a PC, why do so many people insist on getting this wrong and thinking there are only two choices?
People don't get this wrong. Have you forgotten about all the Apple marketing? The whole "Mac vs. PC" thing? Apple doesn't brand their computers as PCs even though they technically are, so it makes sense that people wouldn't consider Macs to be PCs.

OT: Don't really know much about Apple products. Windows has treated me well enough over the year so I never once considered switching. This sounds pretty bad but not being educated about Apple products I'm not sure how much of it is really true.
Marketing does not accuracy make, PC standing for personal computer just makes more sense, a machine running Windows 7 is a PC a machine running Snow Leopard is a PC a machine running Natty Narwhal is a PC

If windows machines are PCs and apple machines are macs then what are we to call machines that run anything else?

Using PC as short hand for windows will only serve to make people more narrow-minded, hell its taken us how long to make people realise windows is not the only option?

This is my opinion and I will defend it strongly, having more options is almost always the better thing.
 
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Apple wrestled the crown from Microsoft as soon as Bill Gates stepped down.

While Microsoft are still money grabbing bastards, Apple are now blackmailing money grabbing bastards.
 

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Versuvius said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/may/21/apple-upgrades-itunes-version

Warms my cockles this. Okay so Apple is effectively using Itunes software to let you know just how much they care about you and your wallet and that you should be buying up to date, more expensive Apple products!
I honestly don't see why people are complaining. Their OS is out of date, so they need to buy a new one. This is not surprising to anyone who has owned computers for any extended amount of time. In 2007 Apple was already telling people that they were coming out with a new different OS, so these people faults really were that they bought something on the way out, and they can only blame themselves. The simple fact that the article writer's computer worked for so long on an outdated system is a credit to how well Apple makes its products. As a bonus, he doesn't even have to buy a whole new computer to get the OS. One only needs to buy the OS disc. That's it. Considering that his computer is 4 years old, that's a pretty good deal. Comparatively on a PC, one would not only have to buy the new OS, but new parts in order to ensure that the system would function at all.

Which leads me to:
Johnnyallstar said:
I think this is appropriate at this point.

While this may be true, let me point out something with broken down PCs vs broken down Macs.

Around 2005, my dad, a professional electrician and computer repair man at the CBC (that the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation for any of you not from Canada), bought a Windows XP Home OS and combined it with a set of reliable computer systems for my first home computer. It is now 2011, and despite my dad's expert work, the things has hard crashed a few times and has needed quite new parts

Comparatively, in 1998 my dad bought a iMac 3G, more commonly known as the Strawberry Mac. It lasted us until 2010, where at that point it was so old that the parts were falling apart, because it had outlived its expected lifespan. Yet, until the very end of those 12 years, it never had broken down once, and more importantly had been able to do quite a few things that much newer models of other computer OSs were able to do.

My point is that while you do need to buy a whole new Mac when the old one is done, it takes quite a while before that is utterly necessary. This is because Mac hardware and software are specifically designed to match each other and be updated seamlessly, maximizing their capability and stability. Many PCs on the other hand, are an amalgam of parts and programming, meaning that there's always a chance they won't match well, leading to ye olde Blue Screen of Death.

So if the PC is muscle car and only needs parts when it breaks, then it's one whose parts become more and more expensive farther down the road and which may not match the vehicle as a whole, possibly leading to a mass breakdown that can require a full overhaul. The Mac sports car on the other hand, while needing to be replaced completely if it fails, rarely does so, and mostly only if there was a defect with that specific model unit or if it is at the end of it's expected lifespan. Otherwise it only needs a quick tune up that is was designed for, and which is checked by professionals to make sure it works, rather than your average Joe slapping bits together.
Sorry to say it buy you're dad messed up, or quite frankly doesn't know what he's doing too well. I have a 2004 refurbished Windows XP machine, which is quite literally a piece of shit (it cost me $300 then), and it still has never broken down (Hardware wise) and apart from a couple viruses, is a completely functional machine. I could download the latest itunes and the latest version of most programs that weren't too labour intensive (Games, photoshop, etc), and putting in about another $300 and a weekend I could probably get it to run essentially every program with the exception of some games. So even if we don't account for the fact that the current price of my machine has severely deteriorated, I would have spent about 600 to get a decent functional machine which is way lower than the price of any current mac.

Honestly, the only thing apple has going for them is that their laptops are light and thin, and they have great support for the ipods and iphones through the app store.
 

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SuccessAndBiscuts said:
Internet Kraken said:
SuccessAndBiscuts said:
Good god people PC stands for "Personal Computer" A Mac is a PC, why do so many people insist on getting this wrong and thinking there are only two choices?
People don't get this wrong. Have you forgotten about all the Apple marketing? The whole "Mac vs. PC" thing? Apple doesn't brand their computers as PCs even though they technically are, so it makes sense that people wouldn't consider Macs to be PCs.

OT: Don't really know much about Apple products. Windows has treated me well enough over the year so I never once considered switching. This sounds pretty bad but not being educated about Apple products I'm not sure how much of it is really true.
Marketing does not accuracy make, PC standing for personal computer just makes more sense, a machine running Windows 7 is a PC a machine running Snow Leopard is a PC a machine running Natty Narwhal is a PC

If windows machines are PCs and apple machines are macs then what are we to call machines that run anything else?

Using PC as short hand for windows will only serve to make people more narrow-minded, hell its taken us how long to make people realise windows is not the only option?

This is my opinion and I will defend it strongly, having more options are almost always a better thing.
I agree with you, but its much quicker to write PC than a PC running Windows XP, or a Windows Machine, and pretty much everyone knows what your talking about when you say you have a PC as opposed to a Mac.
 
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SuccessAndBiscuts said:
Marketing does not accuracy make,
Marketing does make social opinion though. That's why Twiglet is still a "teen phenomenom".

How many people still refer to vacuum cleaners as Hoovers, regardless of who makes them?

By the way, Apple have just done what Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft have all done with their consoles in the past.

That is why I defend the PC; despite its faults.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
And this is why people hate Apple.

Not because they're douchebags, a lot of companies are like that.

No, because they're pretentious douchebags, passing off everything they sell like it's the next technological revolution, then pulling shit like this.

Also, I hate Steve Jobs. Something about him makes me want to pummel his smirk face in with a cinder block.
And the ridiculous price tag that goes with it. 1200 Euros for an outdated laptop with a shiny case and a different operating system? Puh-lease. It's frustrating to see people fall for their marketing schemes. They're just PC's people!

I'm probably going to do a Communication and Multimedia Design course next school year. They use Macs, but I'm oh so very glad they don't use software you can't get on regular PC's. I'll be sticking with my Windows PC.
The_root_of_all_evil said:
By the way, Apple have just done what Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft have all done with their consoles in the past.
At least their consoles are a crapton cheaper than Apple's crap, and they're not really multi-purpose machines anyway.
 

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Just gonna pose a question here. Can't people just download a new music managing program that isn't itunes? I know for a fact there are/ were other music programs that worked with ipods.

PS. Still makes me laugh every time me and a couple buddies lan DoTA that my friend has to go running for his mouse because he only has one button on his laptop and would have to do some weird button combo otherwise.
 

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Erana said:
snip Of course, I can get the most recent OS on my Mac for 90 dollars cheaper than doing so on a PC. Why don't people complain about Windows OS prices? I would have a windows partition if it wasn't so expensive.
Where do you shop for windows? I found some windows 7 online starting at 61 bucks for the 64 bit professional. Even if you go the official MS website and buy it its only 119. Or if you go to a university bookstore you can get one really cheap, or if you have a work email address or school one etc. Either way you shouldn't pay more than 99 bucks for the OS.
 

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Isan said:
lol

They'll patch this fairly soon: this kind of PR is intolerable, but its so damn lazy to have let this happen in the first place. Still, if it was going to happen to any company, I'd have put money on it being Apple: the iron-grip they maintain on all their products and their half-arsed approach to customer care is a poor combination.
No they wont. This has been around for a while now. The big issue though is with AMD/ Intel mac problems with the next batch of iPods/ iPhones. Chances are that you will need OSx.6 Wich requires an Intel processor. Apple macs have been using Intel for a while now (since 06) but it's not just a case of getting a £120 new operating system but spending £600+ for a new mac.

God I do hate apple's Customer service. I like their products. Just not how they go about selling them.
 

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NightHawk21 said:
SuccessAndBiscuts said:
Internet Kraken said:
SuccessAndBiscuts said:
Good god people PC stands for "Personal Computer" A Mac is a PC, why do so many people insist on getting this wrong and thinking there are only two choices?
People don't get this wrong. Have you forgotten about all the Apple marketing? The whole "Mac vs. PC" thing? Apple doesn't brand their computers as PCs even though they technically are, so it makes sense that people wouldn't consider Macs to be PCs.

OT: Don't really know much about Apple products. Windows has treated me well enough over the year so I never once considered switching. This sounds pretty bad but not being educated about Apple products I'm not sure how much of it is really true.
Marketing does not accuracy make, PC standing for personal computer just makes more sense, a machine running Windows 7 is a PC a machine running Snow Leopard is a PC a machine running Natty Narwhal is a PC

If windows machines are PCs and apple machines are macs then what are we to call machines that run anything else?

Using PC as short hand for windows will only serve to make people more narrow-minded, hell its taken us how long to make people realise windows is not the only option?

This is my opinion and I will defend it strongly, having more options are almost always a better thing.
I agree with you, but its much quicker to write PC than a PC running Windows XP, or a Windows Machine, and pretty much everyone knows what your talking about when you say you have a PC as opposed to a Mac.
I know its quicker and easier but that doesn't change the long term ramifications of it as the root here has said:

The_root_of_all_evil said:
Marketing does make social opinion though. That's why Twiglet is still a "teen phenomenom".

How many people still refer to vacuum cleaners as Hoovers, regardless of who makes them?
Social opinion in my opinion is as much of a judge of a good idea as a half-cut monkey and I fully intend to fight this utterly crazy take on a perfectly functional acronym.
 

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SuccessAndBiscuts said:
NightHawk21 said:
SuccessAndBiscuts said:
Internet Kraken said:
SuccessAndBiscuts said:
Good god people PC stands for "Personal Computer" A Mac is a PC, why do so many people insist on getting this wrong and thinking there are only two choices?
People don't get this wrong. Have you forgotten about all the Apple marketing? The whole "Mac vs. PC" thing? Apple doesn't brand their computers as PCs even though they technically are, so it makes sense that people wouldn't consider Macs to be PCs.

OT: Don't really know much about Apple products. Windows has treated me well enough over the year so I never once considered switching. This sounds pretty bad but not being educated about Apple products I'm not sure how much of it is really true.
Marketing does not accuracy make, PC standing for personal computer just makes more sense, a machine running Windows 7 is a PC a machine running Snow Leopard is a PC a machine running Natty Narwhal is a PC

If windows machines are PCs and apple machines are macs then what are we to call machines that run anything else?

Using PC as short hand for windows will only serve to make people more narrow-minded, hell its taken us how long to make people realise windows is not the only option?

This is my opinion and I will defend it strongly, having more options are almost always a better thing.
I agree with you, but its much quicker to write PC than a PC running Windows XP, or a Windows Machine, and pretty much everyone knows what your talking about when you say you have a PC as opposed to a Mac.
I know its quicker and easier but that doesn't change the long term ramifications of it as the root here has said:
I'ld actually disagree with you over the long term ramifications. Honestly anyone who has taken a computer course knows (or at least shoudl know) what exactly a PC is and what and OS is at the very least. Seeing as computers aren't going anywhere and how us kids who grew up with this stuff are becoming working adults you'll see these terms being reinforced in introductory courses. Yes you might see a slight increase in ignorance now, but it will sort itself out in the long run.
 
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SuccessAndBiscuts said:
Social opinion in my opinion is as much of a judge of a good idea as a half-cut monkey and I fully intend to fight this utterly crazy take on a perfectly functional acronym.
I don't think any of us would argue with that point.

But you're preaching to the choir here. Social opinion is why Fox News exists, Australia can't have 18+ games and Britain has it's Tabloids.

We could fight it, but we're vastly outnumbered and outgunned; and IDKFA doesn't work.
 

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Im not sure of the laws in this so please someone correct me on but i thought it is illegal to do something like this.