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TelHybrid

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Sounds like you and the rest of your classmates are judgmental arseholes. Grow up.

Also maybe there's a good reason he keeps to himself... to avoid being some superficial immature brat.

One day when you grow up and finish school you might get a clue about how the world works, instead of your silly little playground politics.
 

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TelHybrid said:
Sounds like you and the rest of your classmates are judgmental arseholes. Grow up.

Also maybe there's a good reason he keeps to himself... to avoid being some superficial immature brat.

One day when you grow up and finish school you might get a clue about how the world works, instead of your silly little playground politics.
Responsed like this really make me sad. As they're taking what I said and exploding it into an extreme case and basically scream of someone who was a victim of sometihng similar but not related to this and want to take revenge by being brave on an internet forum. Basically, get over it
 

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I always make judgments about people from their looks. So does everyone, no matter what they say. It's entirely natural, but what's important is that you/I understand that looks aren't an accurate source of information on anything beyond the superficial, so unless you're some kind of wizard, it's very difficult to be accurate about someone on that alone. So i do what i think is sensible and don't let my judgments extend beyond the very shallow - i.e. "i think he likes this kinda music" etc.

If you get to actually talking properly, you can safely draw slightly deeper conclusions about them, i.e. "I get on with/ don't get one with this person".

But what someone looks like is as entirely valid as any other very shallow measure of a person. If someone turns up to a law interview in trackies, you can make certain conclusions off the bat. If they walk around with black lipstick, huge skull boots, black hair and a spiked collar, again - you can tell that they're probably a gothic oriented character. Just make sure that you reserve judgments about specific personality traits for when you have adequate experience of them.
 

DeathWyrmNexus

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It's genetic actually. You learn bias when you look at a nasty looking bug and make a judgment call never to touch it. Same for people. A ton of people, I would even dare say a Majority of people, judge people based off instinctive gut reactions just from seeing them. It is why you tense up if you see a guy with a gun packing heat or somebody completely out of your normal paradigm for how people look.

It isn't necessarily right but it also isn't wrong. It becomes wrong if you decide to attack or bother the person based off a simple appearance difference. Even now in this thread, there are people judging you based off this entirely human post and assuming the worst about you. Pretty much it is the end result of thousands of years of human development. Judging by appearance is what kept us from eating rancid meat, avoiding hostile tribes, and not essentially being extinct by now. So it will be a while before we give it up, if ever.
 

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This isn't new. I say the same thing I always do, people are ignorant, insensitive, selfish piles of insecurity and superficial bullshit, they treat other people (especially people who don't conform to their shittyness),ironically , like shit, and I still think they would be better off dead
Even more ironically what you just said could be considered the exact same thing as what you described. But before things get more outta hand I tihnk Ima leave as what I tried (but failed as I suck with words) to convey has been lost under tons of hate replies claiming I'm a shallow, worthless, sack of nothing, etc, when I'm not actually like that.

But then again someone who was like that wouldn't admit it. This really runs a lot deeper than what I was originally trying to convey.

But if you wanna pick this up in private mesages I'll happily oblige, even though you probably just want to insult me more
 

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In class today a lad walks in and he has his hair shaved short at the sides with a really think (but not spiked) mohawk. With a massive face and he's really tall and a bit fat.
First off, it is called a dread hawk... It is an underground industrial haircut.. Second, what kind of shoes was he wearing? Because if they were some nice big boots he is pry from the industrial scene, which yes, they are 100% weird. But they are fun to be around and very clean people as drugs are highly looked down upon in that scene... I like them a lot; Very nice people in general.
 

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Well, let's see... I'm VERY distant, I think about everything at once, I talk to myself as I work or play games, I am prone to sudden flashes of violence, one of which had me beating one of the school bullies head's against a rock when he insulted my DOG. Yeah... I'm not particularly liked, but people do not openly dislike me because I can be quite the psycopath. XD
 

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Have you ever had one of those times when you look at someone and you just know that they're a bit weird .. different?

Here's an example:
In class today a lad walks in and he has his hair shaved short at the sides with a really think (but not spiked) mohawk. With a massive face and he's really tall and a bit fat.

And as soon as he walks in everyone starts talking about him quietly, myself included sadly. People started saying how he was weird and all this and I thought it was a bit weird to judge em on his appearence.
But just like most times people make judgements like that about another school kid, they turned out right.

He is really weird. He sits and hums to himself, dances on the stop and spaztastically, talks about the most obscure things, and laughs for no reason.

The Point:
Now this is all well and good him acting how he wants to act, but how did they know he was gonna turn out like that just based on his looks? And do you think it's wrong?

Edit: Please this isn't a thread on how I judge everyone based on looks and I really didn't mean it to come out like this, but I suck with words.

Sure the thought was inspired by how I judged him but I didn't just leave it at that I did actually talk to him and maintain he's a bit weird. But I don't dislike him for it or treat him any differently.

Hate me for it if you like, I do a bit for judging him myself

Feel free to share any experiences and insight. Or if it's happened to you tell us. It'll make things more interesting.
I would have done the same thing you did, if that's how he want to look like and act in public then that's how you should judge him off of, in all honest it looks like he is just looking for attention
 

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I always see the "weird" kids, but I generally get on with them, abiet not "friends"

No, the ones I can't STAND are the cocky ones. Even if they have some problem that causes them to act like a complete dick and barge in on your private conversations/friend circle just so they can sit there, laugh loudly and poke people, thinking they're funny/cool.

Bullcrap, you're just a lonley drama queen prick
 

Julianking93

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They're just different. They think outside the box.

I'm one of those people. I look different but I don't give a shit what people think. I have long curly hair, dress in bright colors and I frequently get my nails done. If someone's that much of a prick to judge me just on apperance, I want nothing to do with them.
 

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Being judged superficially is one of the worst feelings in the world. It makes you feel insignificant and unimportant next to your appearance or your hobbies. No one ever enjoys being defined by those things. On that note, try being a fan of pro wrestling without having at least one person make insinuations about your social class or sexual preferences. I know that many of my European contemporaries might not get it (outside of Britain, maybe)but being insulted merely because you enjoy a certain type of performance art can really bring you down. It seems that at almost every sub culture in the US has something to say about it, from all political backgrounds. Liberals think it is a macho redneck expression of subtle homosexual urges, and conservatives think that it's jackass 3.0. Hell; Anime fans, Athletes, Ganmers and even car enthusiasts have some sort of put down. (Yes, I am aware of the irony in my overly simplistic grouping of various people that have rubbed me the wrong way. "They" deserve it.)
 

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IDBash said:
Disaster Button said:
In class today a lad walks in and he has his hair shaved short at the sides with a really think (but not spiked) mohawk. With a massive face and he's really tall and a bit fat.
First off, it is called a dread hawk... It is an underground industrial haircut.. Second, what kind of shoes was he wearing? Because if they were some nice big boots he is pry from the industrial scene, which yes, they are 100% weird. But they are fun to be around and very clean people as drugs are highly looked down upon in that scene... I like them a lot; Very nice people in general.
I didn't see his shoes but I'd assume theyre like normal school shoes. Our college has a uniform..
 

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Sounds like a weird kid. I usually hate anyone with a mohawk. But I laugh at random times. I just starting thinking about something funny and I can't control myself. And it isn't completely wrong to judge people on their looks. If someone walks into class wearing a nothing but socks and earmuffs you would assume their batshit crazy, and you wouldn't stop to talk to them in the hallway to see if your assumptions were correct.
 

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So you saw a person and judged them? Jeez, you'd think you were a human being or something.

EVERYONE judges EVERYONE ELSE the moment they see them. Just because you refuse to acknowledge the fact doesn't change it. You at the very least go through the threat level judgement, "Who's that? What's he doing? Is he dangerous? Can he be trusted? Am I safe? Should I avoid?" etc.

It's a well developed survival thing, just because you don't normally need it doesn't mean it ever stops judging people and things.

And you probably make character judgments as well. Or even worse, IMO, auto apply traits based on the appearance of a person and your perception of them.

Man people have issues.
 

ayailla

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To be honest, I know more people who don't fit into the stereotypes than I know people that do.

I know a few people that you would call, 'Emos.' I haven't actually met a single emo who is depressed and / or cuts him / herself. Yet everybody knows that emos cut themselves.

I would class myself as a Goth. People would think I am weird for doing so. I've been called a witch, a vampire, and people have told me to go and cut myself like the depressed individual I am. I'm honestly one of the most upbeat people I know. I don't have anything to be depressed about and if I did, I would look on the bright side of it. It's the same with most of the friends of mine who are gothic.

Whoever up there said that EVERYBODY judges people on thier looks no matter what they say... that isn't true. Somebody who has spent their lives being judged because of their looks will not inflict the same on others. I don't see a chav and immediately think they are going to stab me. I wait for the nasty comment before I judge them.

I think it's horrible that people do that, though. My mother continuously talks of a time when you would go to a party and have to go home because somebody else was wearing the same dress as you. Nowadays, they all go to clubs like sheep. It's all wearing what's 'in fashion' and not what they like. And somebody who wears what they like regardless of the trends is weird to them.

And I know people are going to be responding to this with, "but most of the stereotypes are true." Of course some people will act like the stereotype. That's how the stereotypes get started. But you shouldn't judge an entire group of people based on the few that you know or have seen. By that argument, I can judge most of Britain (where I live) and claim that they are all drug addicts, alcoholics, adulterers and bad parents, simply because that's what you see on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
 

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The Rockerfly said:
Disaster Button said:
Ugh. Look by no means. No means at all am I judging him and leaivng it at that. Sure I saw him and thought he's a bit weird looking but I didn't blank him out my life or make fun about him behind his back. The most I've said is sometihng like "He looks a bit weird" which I still stand by.

I did actually talk to him and while I know he's not as weird as he looked, he was a little bit. Nor will I not talk to him again or be rude to him. I'm not like that.

So hate me if you want, it's your call. But I really don't want you to hate me because you think I'm some shallow dick who hates a guy on his looks. Because I don't hate him for it in the slightest nor will I treat him any differently
Err you laughed at him, with your entire class. Do you know how much that didn't help him?
Go and apologies to him for making him feel like crap
No we dislike you because you did judge him and laughed at him and call someone different weird
No you shouldn't treat him any differently, thats the problem we have with you
Ugh, I'm sorry but none of you have any idea what ye're talking about.

Listen, school is a horrible place - kids are mean. They can't help it.
If you want to stand out and be individual, that's your own choice. But you have to be willing to put up with the downsides of being individual: you are more noticeable and that makes you a target.

You can put up with it, or cut the crap and express your individuality outside of school.

Or, if you're lucky, find a group of like-minded people who can make the days bareable, maybe even fun.

Seriously, I know what I'm talking about.
 

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well, if i meet a guy in mickey mouse teeshirt and whit a bicycle helmet i can safely say based on his appearance that hes probably not what i call normal.

but a fat guy whit a Mohawk, heck my best friend is a fat guy whit a weird haircut.
 

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TelHybrid said:
Sounds like you and the rest of your classmates are judgmental arseholes. Grow up.

Also maybe there's a good reason he keeps to himself... to avoid being some superficial immature brat.

One day when you grow up and finish school you might get a clue about how the world works, instead of your silly little playground politics.
You must still be in college. Because if you really are an IT Tech you know better than most how much of the world still is employing the "silly little playground politics." I have had to take my plugs out, cut my hair, and change the way I dress to get and maintain a job in the "progressive" bay area... It is unfortunate as a lot of ability is passed up in favor of good looks and a kind voice. /rant
 

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KarumaK said:
So you saw a person and judged them? Jeez, you'd think you were a human being or something.

EVERYONE judges EVERYONE ELSE the moment they see them. Just because you refuse to acknowledge the fact doesn't change it. You at the very least go through the threat level judgement, "Who's that? What's he doing? Is he dangerous? Can he be trusted? Am I safe? Should I avoid?" etc.

It's a well developed survival thing, just because you don't normally need it doesn't mean it ever stops judging people and things.

And you probably make character judgments as well. Or even worse, IMO, auto apply traits based on the appearance of a person and your perception of them.

Man people have issues.
Heh thanks, I actually lol'd.

But yeah, this whole thread has sent me on some deep thought track on whether I'm a hyprocrit without realising it as I hate when people make prejudgements, which seems to be what I've done.

Or whether I could always do things like this and not realise it. As sad as it is I've actually quesitoned myself alot over whether I prejudge everything or don't being oblvisious to it all.

Issues are truly awful.