PC Gaming Elitism

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

I love how assinine the arguments are. A game is a game, and they optimize them for the platform. Yes you can get better performance on a PC, but every PS3 game I've played has looked beautiful in 1080p on a 40" tv with surround sound. I liked PC gaming till I blew my 8600GT card a while back and instead of forking over for a new vid card, power source, and using my old dual core I spent $300 on a PS3 slim and it's FUCKING AWESOME.

Also, the whole "oh FPS on console sucks balls MOUSE AND KEYBOARD FTW!"... all I can say is your argument is invalid. Console actually 1 ups it with joystick and mouse controls:

But, being able to keybind 25 hotkeys for an MMO or RTS does have some advantages, I'll give you that. Not like we see those game genres on console anyway. And like it matters.

May I be the first to say not only good idea but that is the most awkward looking thing I have seen ever concocted. I have to say a complete cluster fuck of buttons.

Edit: posted early so I fail to see how this invalidates the argument yes a mouse is a step up but I don't see a keyboard for easily accessible buttons I see a load of stuff stuck on the side of a mouse and a Wii nunchuck thing.

Edit 2: Reading below comment show it includes auto fire which just feels like cheating. I mea seriously you should be able to switch to your pistol and fire fast enough anyway but melee thing sounds good.

 

[Wolfram23]

snip

The argument isn't invalid because of that device though. If you used one of those it wouldn't feel like using a mouse on the PC because all it does is take the movements of the mouse and map them on to what the analogue stick would be doing instead. You'll still get the horrid acceleration and auto aim you would with a controller. Not to mention I've heard that it suffers badly with input lag and you still can't re-bind any of the buttons.

Actually, you're misinformed. Looking at some reviews they do not say it's just like a joystick, but with a mouse. For instance, ps3attitude.com says "The mouse is well built and feels like a quality device. The movement of the mouse replaces the right analogue stick, so aiming your crosshairs is just a matter of sweeping the mouse into place, something PC gamers will be very used to.

Using the mouse instead of the analogue stick doesn?t really take any time to get used to, since it works exactly as you would expect it to." As in, it acts like a PC mouse.

It does mention you need to tweak settings for more sensitivity in order to get the ability for very fast motion, however. But that's pretty standard on PC gaming as well. Talking about CoD4 controller sensitivity settings, "However, level 10 using a FragFx is completely necessary and totally controllable. The speed with which you can turn to check your corners, or spin around to take out someone coming at you from your ?six? is impressive and completely without issue when using a mouse."

Also something you may not be aware of, "...Dennis ?zDD? Dozier, show us a few setup tricks with the FragFX. One of these is the use of the motion control in the left hand to melee your opponent. We set this up in CoD4 for ourselves to try it out, and it is a revelation. Just sweep your left hand in the air, and your knife does all the hard work for you. It is much quicker and more intuitive than pressing the relevant button for that action, and with the button and controller customisation software to hand, you can set these kinds of motion controls up for any game."

And another neat trick is "Enabling the rapid fire option, when you run out of ammo in CoD4 you can switch to your pistol and use it as a fully automatic gun to take out anyone close, before flipping back to your main weapon to reload. Much quicker and more effective than getting shot whilst you change clips"

Really the only issue I've read about is the button layout on the left hand controller, the D pad is a bit awkward.


EDIT: Sorry I didn't post the name, it's the Splitfish Frag V2 controller on PS3

 

[AlanShore]

Actually, you're misinformed. Looking at some reviews they do not say it's just like a joystick, but with a mouse. For instance, ps3attitude.com says "The mouse is well built and feels like a quality device. The movement of the mouse replaces the right analogue stick, so aiming your crosshairs is just a matter of sweeping the mouse into place, something PC gamers will be very used to.

Using the mouse instead of the analogue stick doesn?t really take any time to get used to, since it works exactly as you would expect it to." As in, it acts like a PC mouse.

It does mention you need to tweak settings for more sensitivity in order to get the ability for very fast motion, however. But that's pretty standard on PC gaming as well. Talking about CoD4 controller sensitivity settings, "However, level 10 using a FragFx is completely necessary and totally controllable. The speed with which you can turn to check your corners, or spin around to take out someone coming at you from your ?six? is impressive and completely without issue when using a mouse."

Also something you may not be aware of, "...Dennis ?zDD? Dozier, show us a few setup tricks with the FragFX. One of these is the use of the motion control in the left hand to melee your opponent. We set this up in CoD4 for ourselves to try it out, and it is a revelation. Just sweep your left hand in the air, and your knife does all the hard work for you. It is much quicker and more intuitive than pressing the relevant button for that action, and with the button and controller customisation software to hand, you can set these kinds of motion controls up for any game."

And another neat trick is "Enabling the rapid fire option, when you run out of ammo in CoD4 you can switch to your pistol and use it as a fully automatic gun to take out anyone close, before flipping back to your main weapon to reload. Much quicker and more effective than getting shot whilst you change clips"

Really the only issue I've read about is the button layout on the left hand controller, the D pad is a bit awkward.

Ultimately the FragFX has to translate mouse movements into analog commands, and thus it will never give you perfect 1:1 movement. But it's good enough!

PC gamers who find themselves playing FPS games on the PS3 with the FragFX probably won't be impressed compared to their standard PC rig, but they'll likely find it much better than the SIXAXIS controller.

Being of a PC FPS gamer, I'm used to playing in twitch games such as UT3, TF2, and the likes. The V.2 replicates the mouse controls relatively well but will not replace an authentic mouse and keyboard setup. But when compared to a standard dual analog stick control, the V.2 is light-years ahead in accuracy, control, and reliability. The best comparison I can offer is this: if using a mouse and keyboard is like driving a car where it goes where you steer it and using a standard controller was like steering a paddle boat; then the V.2 is like riding a skateboard where it goes in the general direction you point to but requires practice and a little effort.

Which is what I was saying. It might be an improvement, but it's not the same as a PC mouse. Ultimately the PS3 will still think it has a normal SIXAXIS connected and since most FPS games on the PS3 will have "mouse" acceleration, this will still sufffer from it, there's no getting away from it.

 

[Wolfram23]

Ultimately the FragFX has to translate mouse movements into analog commands, and thus it will never give you perfect 1:1 movement. But it's good enough!

PC gamers who find themselves playing FPS games on the PS3 with the FragFX probably won't be impressed compared to their standard PC rig, but they'll likely find it much better than the SIXAXIS controller.

Which is what I was saying. It might be an improvement, but it's not the same as a PC mouse. Ultimately the PS3 will still think it has a normal SIXAXIS connected and since most FPS games on the PS3 will have "mouse" acceleration, this will still sufffer from it, there's no getting away from it.

Ok well I thought you were trying to say it handles just like a joystick, which it doesn't. I get your point it's not quite the same but honestly, it's hard to say if it's actually any worse without trying it. I'm hoping mine shows up today or tomorrow so I'll be able to compare first hand. I mean really, if you move the mouse and it moves where you expect it to, then it's all good right? The only real issue then is travel speed and from what I've read, just crank up the sensitivity.

What platform is this device for? and can you link the name of it somewhere please?

PS3's Splitfish Frag V2

May I be the first to say not only good idea but that is the most awkward looking thing I have seen ever concocted. I have to say a complete cluster fuck of buttons.

Edit: posted early so I fail to see how this invalidates the argument yes a mouse is a step up but I don't see a keyboard for easily accessible buttons I see a load of stuff stuck on the side of a mouse and a Wii nunchuck thing.

Edit 2: Reading below comment show it includes auto fire which just feels like cheating. I mea seriously you should be able to switch to your pistol and fire fast enough anyway but melee thing sounds good.

Well, it's a lot of buttons but it's only 1 more than a standard PS3 controller and that's the "frag" button so you can reduce the aiming sensitivity on command. Good for sniping. And really, a keyboard is a much bigger cluster fuck of buttons if you know what I mean.

And yea I agree the auto fire is unnecessary, but it's a neat feature. The only good thing there in my opinion is that clicking a mouse can disrupt your aim so holding the button might help your accuracy.

 

[WJeff]

I dont think anyone argues the face it CAN be better. But YOU are no better than someone who plays their games on the 360, or PS3. THAT is elitism, not thinking your machine is better, but thinking that you yourself are better. And if you do, you are retarded.

No, I think I'm better than console gamers. I am, as I said, an elitist. However, it doesn't come from the typical "I like my PC and I don't like consoles so I must be better than console gamers" train of thought. If you are a console gamer, you have every right to enjoy your console to the fullest. That doesn't mean I don't think I'm better. No, that doesn't make me retarded, and calling someone else retarded because they don't share your opinion is ignorant.

I think any opinion is valid so long as it can be rationally backed up. So here is my backed up opinion, why I find myself to be better than console gamers. As stated in my previous post, I think the separation of developers and gamers on the console front is a bad thing. As much as I disapprove of the developers for not listening to gamers, I equally disapprove of the gamers for just taking whatever the developers do lying down. Gamers should be a part of the games they want to play, and should show the industry what they want in games. Instead, they do nothing. They wait for the release. If it sucks and they continue to let the developers continue making games they don't like, they are equally at fault for the bad games.

I on the other hand, will not stand for a bad game. Sure, call me picky, but there is no improvement without criticism. If PC gamers find a problem, they fix it. They don't just deal with it. They took STALKER SoC, a game that I couldn't play because of all the bugs and design flaws, made the STALKER Complete mod, and made it a game that I absolutely love. The developers learn from this, and improve. The console gamers do nothing, even though they could by going to the PC like I did. They are essentially saying "Yes we're ok with mediocre games", which is why I feel superior to them. I am part of the community that improves the industry, rather than the one that just deals with what it gets.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Ultimately the FragFX has to translate mouse movements into analog commands, and thus it will never give you perfect 1:1 movement. But it's good enough!

PC gamers who find themselves playing FPS games on the PS3 with the FragFX probably won't be impressed compared to their standard PC rig, but they'll likely find it much better than the SIXAXIS controller.

Which is what I was saying. It might be an improvement, but it's not the same as a PC mouse. Ultimately the PS3 will still think it has a normal SIXAXIS connected and since most FPS games on the PS3 will have "mouse" acceleration, this will still sufffer from it, there's no getting away from it.

Ok well I thought you were trying to say it handles just like a joystick, which it doesn't. I get your point it's not quite the same but honestly, it's hard to say if it's actually any worse without trying it. I'm hoping mine shows up today or tomorrow so I'll be able to compare first hand. I mean really, if you move the mouse and it moves where you expect it to, then it's all good right? The only real issue then is travel speed and from what I've read, just crank up the sensitivity.

What platform is this device for? and can you link the name of it somewhere please?

PS3's Splitfish Frag V2

May I be the first to say not only good idea but that is the most awkward looking thing I have seen ever concocted. I have to say a complete cluster fuck of buttons.

Edit: posted early so I fail to see how this invalidates the argument yes a mouse is a step up but I don't see a keyboard for easily accessible buttons I see a load of stuff stuck on the side of a mouse and a Wii nunchuck thing.

Edit 2: Reading below comment show it includes auto fire which just feels like cheating. I mea seriously you should be able to switch to your pistol and fire fast enough anyway but melee thing sounds good.

Well, it's a lot of buttons but it's only 1 more than a standard PS3 controller and that's the "frag" button so you can reduce the aiming sensitivity on command. Good for sniping. And really, a keyboard is a much bigger cluster fuck of buttons if you know what I mean.

And yea I agree the auto fire is unnecessary, but it's a neat feature. The only good thing there in my opinion is that clicking a mouse can disrupt your aim so holding the button might help your accuracy.

I don't mean a lot altogether I much rather the range of buttons on a keyboard I more meant a cluster fuck for the side of a mouse the combo of using the mouse to aim and your main source of commands can only be a bad thing.

 

[Mcface]

I dont think anyone argues the face it CAN be better. But YOU are no better than someone who plays their games on the 360, or PS3. THAT is elitism, not thinking your machine is better, but thinking that you yourself are better. And if you do, you are retarded.

No, I think I'm better than console gamers. I am, as I said, an elitist. However, it doesn't come from the typical "I like my PC and I don't like consoles so I must be better than console gamers" train of thought. If you are a console gamer, you have every right to enjoy your console to the fullest. That doesn't mean I don't think I'm better. No, that doesn't make me retarded, and calling someone else retarded because they don't share your opinion is ignorant.

I think any opinion is valid so long as it can be rationally backed up. So here is my backed up opinion, why I find myself to be better than console gamers. As stated in my previous post, I think the separation of developers and gamers on the console front is a bad thing. As much as I disapprove of the developers for not listening to gamers, I equally disapprove of the gamers for just taking whatever the developers do lying down. Gamers should be a part of the games they want to play, and should show the industry what they want in games. Instead, they do nothing. They wait for the release. If it sucks and they continue to let the developers continue making games they don't like, they are equally at fault for the bad games.

I on the other hand, will not stand for a bad game. Sure, call me picky, but there is no improvement without criticism. If PC gamers find a problem, they fix it. They don't just deal with it. They took STALKER SoC, a game that I couldn't play because of all the bugs and design flaws, made the STALKER Complete mod, and made it a game that I absolutely love. The developers learn from this, and improve. The console gamers do nothing, even though they could by going to the PC like I did. They are essentially saying "Yes we're ok with mediocre games", which is why I feel superior to them. I am part of the community that improves the industry, rather than the one that just deals with what it gets.

Stalker 2 had so many bugs the price dropped to 5 dollars within a few months of release.

And you fail at trolling, at least I hope your trolling.

 

[AlanShore]

-

No worries. I'd be interested to know exactly how it compares myself. If developers included proper keyboard and mouse support for consoles they could very well see a lot of PC gamers jumping ship and going to consoles instead. I'm sure it's something you could get used to. It will probably depend a lot on how each individual game implements its controls to how well it responds. But mouse acceleration should be banned from PC games, the human brain just isn't well suited to tracking that many variables at once.

 

[Korten12]

Oh and what lives in the basement?! I still have no idea!

me... I live in the basement... fear me... I do seriosuly have all my gaming stuff in my basement but thats only becuase its the free space in my house and its finished off and is quite nice.

I am part PC gamer/PS3 gamer.

GO HYBRIDS!

But the Escapist basement! That's the one I'm curious about. And yeah Hybrids ftw, the best from both worlds

ohhhh.... THAT basement... Its a minitour and it will kill ya if you go down there and the door will be locked behind you.

Really? Huh. And I was thinking it was Cthulu or something Maybe I should pay the minotaur a visit someday. Let me guess, you call him "Nogueira" ;P

nope we call him Bob.

Hahaha Bob? Damn, I should've seen that one coming

well the cthulu who is the minitors wife and her name is jill.

 

[WJeff]

Stalker 2 had so many bugs the price dropped to 5 dollars within a few months of release.

And you fail at trolling, at least I hope your trolling.

I do fail at trolling, which is why I don't do it.

And price doesn't matter, it's that the community took a broken game and fixed it.

 

[CmdrGoob]

Are really only possible on a PC with M&K (doubly so because the whole thing is a mod + custom made maps!)

not quite the same thing, but if you have played halo 3, you'll understand how hard this kind of thing is.

Yeah, this pretty much illustrates my point, though, which was just to rebut to the idea that having an analogue stick instead of a keyboard for movement gives you better maneuverability in FPS games. If you look at both you can see with Halo 3 they can pretty much only do good tricks boosting off explosions, overall movement is very much slower, there's no fast finesse movement like strafe jumps, they can't get much of a run going because as soon as they hit the ground they pretty much stop dead, they don't get as much air, they don't have as many quick direction changes and so on. They are clearly very good but overall the PC runs are faster, longer and more fluid. A lot of this is due to the difference in games, of course, but then a lot of the difference between the games is due to the difference in controls.

well the guy jumped off the f***king icicles at the end, so analogue sticks cant be as inaccurate as you make out

I never said they were inaccurate... just slower.

 

[TheMadDoctorsCat]

I'm a PC gamer and not an elitist. The decision for me not to own a console is simple: I don't have a TV and my monitor doesn't have enough ports in it to plug my TVR box, a PC and a console in it at the same time.

There's elitism not just in every aspect of gaming, but in every aspect of life, from comic collectors' conventions to private clubs for people who have weird sauerkraut fetishes. Don't ask how I know this.

 

[brunothepig]

Hmmm. Ok, the PC has the potential to be a master of all trades... Still, it seems simpler to get a PS3 as well. I would get an Xbox, but I'm afraid it will die very quickly. I'm going to switch to the PC side for a moment here. Something the PC definitely has, is reliability. Plus, I can choose to upgrade at any time. Although a laptop does kill that slightly, it is portable. Aha. PC can not rival the convenience and portability of handhelds. They're much lighter, with a longer battery life or with batteries, so an exchangeable battery. I suppose the computer has the potential for touch screens, but I don't see it used. Maybe some day a game will be released for the tablet... Actually, that would be perfect for playing the DS emulators... But, getting off topic here. Your rebuttal?

There's not a lot I can say to be honest, portability and size will always be a weakness of PCs as long as they have hardware that needs a lot of cooling. The closest PCs can get to portability is something along the lines of the Alienware M11x or an Ion based netbook for older games (or emulating current handhelds) but they're not even close to being handheld.

I can't see touchscreens ever really taking off for PC gaming. I think it will be too much hastle to get everyone to change their displays. But your idea of having a DS emulator that uses one would be pretty damn sweet!

I doubt touchscreens would happen for a long time, if ever. I think the tablet would work anyway, since where you click is where it places the cursor, you know? You'd just have to keep in mind where the touchscreen is supposed to be on your emulator. You could even mark it out I suppose. So, I think we found an area where the PC doesn't excel! Still, it's my "weapon of choice."

 

[ilion]

Well most pc games are more intelligent and groundbreaking, but damn i couldnt live without street fighter or the sega \ nintendo golden years. dont know if ill buy a xbox tough... seems kinda late right now ( and i just bought a awesome asus laptop ). maybe a ps3 for the last guardian? i wish i had money for both.

 

[AWAR]

*joins group*

Seriously now, I'm a hardcore pc gamer for years and ever time I play ona friends console I just laugh.
It's not only about the graphics, the whole feeling is just wrong. Also, when you build your rig by yourself, it's natural to get bonded and super edgy over it .
As for multiplayer just take a look at this

Spoiler

 

[Pendragon9]

Do I find it ironic that often elitists sink to the levels of the people they make fun of in order to be complete jerks? (IE being complete fanboys to irritating levels)

Yes. I find it very funny.

It's sad that alot of people support this guy though. *looks at Amnestic*

I guess not everyone can be fair and unbiased.

 

[Bat Vader]

PC gamers just act like they're superior to hide themselves from the fact that their system isn't the number one platform anymore, as buget restricted gamers flock to the cheaper, more accessable consoles that presents a welcoming face to its owner.

That and DRM is just proof that some developers hate PC gamers and want their rigs to suffer painful humiliation.

You are generalizing, not all PC gamers think that. I own a PC, PS3, and an x-box 360.

My opinion is that both PCs and consoles have their ups an downs. Yes, if someone plays games on a PC they can mod the game. That isn't elitism, it is just a well know fact. Some things a PC does better and some things a console does better.

Also, PC elitists and console fanboys irritate the heck out of me.

One last thing: A PC gamer and a console gamer are still gamers. Having a sense of superiority in owning a PC or a console is silly. It would be like if George Bush had a sense of superiority for being a bad president. It is stupid and silly.

 

[thatstheguy]

I'm a PC gamer and not an elitist. The decision for me not to own a console is simple: I don't have a TV and my monitor doesn't have enough ports in it to plug my TVR box, a PC and a console in it at the same time.

There's elitism not just in every aspect of gaming, but in every aspect of life, from comic collectors' conventions to private clubs for people who have weird sauerkraut fetishes. Don't ask how I know this.

How do you know this?

 

[lacktheknack]

<link=http://www.nvidia.com/object/3D_Vision_Main.html>THIS is one of the many reasons why I prefer PC's more than consoles.

It is also why I didn't like Avatar as much as I should've.