People you believe should be looked upon more favorably by history.

[pantsoffdanceoff]

You mean "should be looked upone more favourably by Western History". A lot of people poorly misrepresented by western history have illustrious histories in their own countries and societies, and vice versa.

Some people aren't even in their own country, such as hitler.

That man was bring society to its knees, and he did it all because he was a misunderstood artist.

hitler was a good public speaker.

that still doesnt make him any less of a genocidal madman bent on world domination.

Never said he wasn't, but american history that is taught in schools is this: Hitler killed all the jews. Nothing else. At all. Just talking about jew killing.

I concur, I was never even told there [b/]was[/b] a depression in Germany until I read some books by a [b/]European[/b] writer.

 

[Ares Tyr]

A long, long time from now, Hitler might go down as one of those guys who killed an amazing amount of people and seemed cool in the process (like Genghis Khan, Vlad The Impaler, etc). But not for a really, really, really long time. He's still a person worthy of being raped by The Devil, and while it's true that he did help bring Germany out of the hole quite a bit, the way he did it only made things worse after the war.

So fuck him.

 

[Zac_Dai]

Poland has an undeserved reputation as being weak because of World War Two. Poland was one of the only European countries to allow religious freedom in the Middle Ages. Poland was one of the largest countries in Europe for a long time. Their cavalry were renowned as some of the best in the world. Poland has been conquered in the past but against massive descrimination at the hands of Germans and Russians they always reclaim their land and preserve their culture. They have in fact potentially saved Europe on a few occasions. Most notably in the Siege of Vienna where they utterly smashed a massive Turkish army that could have broken through Austria into the rest of Europe. They also stopped the Soviets after World War 1 in what is now known as the Miracle on the Vistula. If they had not done either of these Europe would be a vastly different beast than it is now. In world war two Polish flyers who escaped to Britain were some of the best pilots the Allies had. Poles also broke the Enigma code allowing us to read German messages. The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was a fantastic feat but due to the Soviets deliberately stalling their advance the Uprising failed and many valiant Poles and Jews died.

I totally agree.

I have a lot of respect for the Poles and their history, but in my country a lot of people just think of them as some inferior Eastern Europeans stealing our jobs.

Man I hate ignorance.

 

[dontworryaboutit]

Must...not...say...Hitler...

HE SAID HITLER HE SAID HITLER

 

[Wadders]

John Keegan has a brilliant theory that if Hitler had invaded the middle east with the intention of seizing control over most of the world's oil supply he could have crippled the Americans, British and (to a lesser extent) the Russians with ease. This is a scary idea which he believes would have resulted in the nuclear bombing of Germany.

If you haven't heard of John Keegan and are interested in Nazi/WWII history then look him up because he is fantastic.

Sounds interesting Pretty scary too if ya think about it... luckily for us he was confident enough in his own abilities to think he could steamroller the Russians without extra supplies.

 

[PersianLlama]

I think Saladin should be seen for the man he really was. An expert tactician, man of the Arts, and quite the Dignified man in warfare. But the history books i grew up with always made him seem like the big bad guy in the crusades. The evil devil worshipper who needs to have his way corrected. Now i know in the middle east he's revered but i think he should be world wide.

I've seen him looked down upon and evil in elementary/middle school, but when I hit high school my teachers actually told us the truth and showed us the man he really was. Hell, both my World History 1 teacher and AP World History teacher liked the guy more than Richard the Lionheart or whatever his name is, who seems to be revered.

Andrew Jackson, some people see him as a jerk, yet he was a total badass. I mean, his last words were that he didn't kill enough people! [http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_5-most-badass-presidents-all-time.html]

Win. Cracked is awesome.

King Louis the XIV? I think, the one that was killed and the French Revolution started cause of him. The U.S. really screwed France over by not paying back their debts after the revolution, and then Louis had to tax people etc... etc...

Not necessarily a good guy, but I kinda feel bad for him?

Edit: Also, I want to say Napoleon, but I realized my history textbooks/teachers/classes didn't hold him in a bad light.

 

[Jupsto]

Guy fawkes?
edit: dam Xvito beat me!

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

A long, long time from now, Hitler might go down as one of those guys who killed an amazing amount of people and seemed cool in the process (like Genghis Khan, Vlad The Impaler, etc). But not for a really, really, really long time. He's still a person worthy of being raped by The Devil, and while it's true that he did help bring Germany out of the hole quite a bit, the way he did it only made things worse after the war.

So fuck him.

Actually, things only were worse after the war because of stalin being a vindictive prick. Well actually cut that, him being a vindictive prick about germany and wanting to punish them AGAIN (The reason for the whole world war 2 thing) and the U.S playing a game of upping the Russians by supporting democracy and rebuilding Europe using the Marshall plan.

 

[AtlasShrugged]

Nikola Tesla. The man should be revered like a god. A god of SCIENCE.

 

[Pseudonym2]

Richard Nixon, that way he won't be so angry when he becomes president again in a thousand years.

Here are a few quotes from Nixon. All from Wikipedia.

"The Jews are irreligious, atheistic, immoral bunch of bastards."

Well, when the President does it that means that it is not illegal.

I'm not for women, frankly, in any job. I don't want any of them around. Thank God we don't have any in the Cabinet.

Nixon: I still think we ought to take the North Vietnamese dikes out now. Will that drown people?
Kissinger: About two hundred thousand people.
Nixon: No, no, no, I'd rather use the nuclear bomb. Have you got that, Henry?
Kissinger: That, I think, would just be too much.
Nixon: The nuclear bomb, does that bother you?...I just want you to think big, Henry, for Christsakes.

Nixon: The only place where you and I disagree ... is with regard to the bombing. You're so goddamned concerned about civilians and I don't give a damn. I don't care.
Kissinger: I'm concerned about the civilians because I don't want the world to be mobilized against you as a butcher.


And that's only some of it. If anything history hasn't been hard enough on him.

 

[Ares Tyr]

A long, long time from now, Hitler might go down as one of those guys who killed an amazing amount of people and seemed cool in the process (like Genghis Khan, Vlad The Impaler, etc). But not for a really, really, really long time. He's still a person worthy of being raped by The Devil, and while it's true that he did help bring Germany out of the hole quite a bit, the way he did it only made things worse after the war.

So fuck him.

Actually, things only were worse after the war because of stalin being a vindictive prick. Well actually cut that, him being a vindictive prick about germany and wanting to punish them AGAIN (The reason for the whole world war 2 thing) and the U.S playing a game of upping the Russians by supporting democracy and rebuilding Europe using the Marshall plan.

If Hitler had spent more money on improving the internal welfare of Germany, and less on Concentration Camps and conquest, he'd probably have left his country in a better state. Hell, if Hitler had focused more on improving Germany as was, and Stalin decided to invade anyways, the Axis and Allies might have traded Stalin for Hitler. Losing the anti-sematism might have helped to. Also, people probably wouldn't hate him so much today.

But from the looks of things on here, the average young adult loves the guy.

 

[HerrBobo]

An interesting question and one that demands some reflection on the recording of history as a whole. One must remember that just because something is written in a book,or several, it is not necessarily fact. Much of the info out there about the villans of history such as Nero, Vlad and Stalin are pure propaganda, and so much of the truth is lost in this.

Which group are using the works of a certain person at any one time can also be a factor. The teachings of Nietzsche, and, to a lesser extent, Darwin, were manipulated by the Nazis to sure up their own philosophies, which leds many to belive, wrongly, that they in turn were Nazis or right wing.

The perspective of the person who is writing the history is, perhaps, more important then the actual facts. For example; in my country Michael Collins is seen as a great man. A man who helped from the IRA, a man who fought the British Empire to a sandstill with a handful of rifles. A freedom fighter, a man to aspire to. A hero. However, to the British he is, was and all ways will be a terrorist. Who is right?

Anyhow, just for fun, here is mine.

Archibald Wavell. Commander of the British forces in N. Africa 1939-41(I think, cant remember) Defeated a army of 100,000's of Itallians with c40,000 men, Operation Compass. Lost out badly when the Germans came to N.Africa though. He had been order to send a good chunk of his forces to help repell the Germans in Greec, an order he disagreed with, but carried out non the less. This left him undermaned and under equiped to fight the Germans. Despite this Rommel classed him as a good General. I feel he often gets a bad run cause of Monty's suceuss not long after. However by that stage the situation in N.Africa was very diffrent.

 

[KaiRai]

Hitler, because he gave us a decent war.
Or so most of my serving friends in Afghan would have you believe.

I think Clinton. Who cares if he cheated!? The guy was a full on legend!

 

[Ares Tyr]

Good sweet Buddha. Why do you people have such a hard-on for Hitler? Hello... HOLOCAUST! BOMBED THE FUCK OUT OF EUROPE!

Just because the guy's generals gave a good fight and he helped out his country (at the expense of other countries) doesn't excuse the shit he did.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

Good sweet Buddha. Why do you people have such a hard-on for Hitler? Hello... HOLOCAUST! BOMBED THE FUCK OUT OF EUROPE!

Well atleast he was entertaining. Plus, france and the U.K. were dicks and made the people pay of a debt for the first great war.

Also the only thing different from hitler and the U.S is that we didn't start killing the people we put into concentration interment camps.

 

[ConstantJoe]

Saddam Hussein, like any dictator worth his salt, killed a bunch of people without much in the way of fair trials or humane disposal, but his force managed to keep religious extremism and terrorism at bay all throughout his rule. As bloodthirsty and inhuman as terrorists like bin Laden are, they were genuinely scared of what Hussein could do to them. He's about as peaceful as you could get in that region for a long time.

Under his rule, Iraq had better healthcare that the US, but that all went when the Americans invaded. Saddam's government gave women added freedoms and offered them high-level government and industry jobs. He also created a Western-style legal system, which was unique in the Middle East.

 

[Ares Tyr]

Good sweet Buddha. Why do you people have such a hard-on for Hitler? Hello... HOLOCAUST! BOMBED THE FUCK OUT OF EUROPE!

Well atleast he was entertaining. Plus, france and the U.K. were dicks and made the people pay of a debt for the first great war.

Also the only thing different from hitler and the U.S is that we didn't start killing the people we put into concentration interment camps.

I'm not excusing the US from the dumb shit they did during that time. But in a thread about people who should be looked upon more favorably, Hitler's name should not have come up unless jokingly.

The guy wasn't a good person by any measaure of the phrase.

And again, Saddam Hussein may have helped some people out, it doesn't overthrow the fact that he gassed, like, thousands and thousands of innocent people for having a different religion than him.

Oh yeah, but it's cool cuz he had a sweet healthcare plan for the people who didn't get gassed. Fuck, I'm glad you people aren't in charge of stuff.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

Good sweet Buddha. Why do you people have such a hard-on for Hitler? Hello... HOLOCAUST! BOMBED THE FUCK OUT OF EUROPE!

Well atleast he was entertaining. Plus, france and the U.K. were dicks and made the people pay of a debt for the first great war.

Also the only thing different from hitler and the U.S is that we didn't start killing the people we put into concentration interment camps.

I'm not excusing the US from the dumb shit they did during that time. But in a thread about people who should be looked upon more favorably, Hitler's name should not have come up unless jokingly.

The guy wasn't a good person by any measaure of the phrase.

This is a thread about people who history deems 'evil' that we feel should atleast get some praise for the good that they have done.

Also, hitler was a pretty virtuous guy. Never trust them because they don't drink or eat meat.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

Good sweet Buddha. Why do you people have such a hard-on for Hitler? Hello... HOLOCAUST! BOMBED THE FUCK OUT OF EUROPE!

Well atleast he was entertaining. Plus, france and the U.K. were dicks and made the people pay of a debt for the first great war.

Also the only thing different from hitler and the U.S is that we didn't start killing the people we put into concentration interment camps.

I'm not excusing the US from the dumb shit they did during that time. But in a thread about people who should be looked upon more favorably, Hitler's name should not have come up unless jokingly.

The guy wasn't a good person by any measaure of the phrase.

And again, Saddam Hussein may have helped some people out, it doesn't overthrow the fact that he gassed, like, thousands and thousands of innocent people for having a different religion than him.

Oh yeah, but it's cool cuz he had a sweet healthcare plan for the people who didn't get gassed. Fuck, I'm glad you people aren't in charge of stuff.

Who are you to decide who is good and who is bad? Did you know Hitler? Of course not so why such a hardon for your hate for him? People can like whoever the bloody hell they want I don't get why you have to hound them and get your knickers in a bunch.

 

[Wildrow12]

John Romero