Poll: 9/11 and you.

[Jfswift]

I got into a debate with a friend of mine over this. I also did some research on the topic. I kind of lean toward, yes the planes wrecked the building, and the government had sloppy security procedures at the time. There is room for conspiracy but not enough proof really.

 

[Dr Snakeman]

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Well, it's not just for the hell of it. There's lots of money to be made in this war by oil companies and military contractors.

Oh, so you think that a bunch of people murdered their own citizens for money. That makes perfect sense.

These people are government officals. Life is not a damn Jason Bourne movie. These guys don't do that. There may be corruption in government, but not mass murder, not here. Hell, if it had been, you'd think a respectable news outlet like the New York times or National Geographic (or, hell, even Wikileaks) would have picked up on it before a bunch of paranoid pricks with a little bit of 9/11 footage. You are a fool. So just stop it, before you look dumber than you obviously are.

 

[Ruwrak]

Personally, I think it was an organized attack, but I also believe the USA blows the entire thing out of proportion in order to put their hidden agenda on.

Then again... I'm not claiming this world is the smartest in the universe. It could be something completely different we have never thought about (no, not aliens.)

 

[AlexWinter]

Am I the only one who wonders why there was no wing marks or plane parts on the crash site on the pentagon?

Spoiler: *Cough*

[small]Missle[/small]

Please read the Cracked article.

 

[DazBurger]

Fanatics crashed some planes into some buildings.

The fanatics owning the buildings uses this to invade two countries.. None of them with any real relation to the fanatics that flew before mentioned buildings.

 

[Thundero13]

I believe that one of the towers was blown up by a USA conspiracy and the other was blown up by foreign terrorists and the fact that they happened at the same time was complete coincidence.

 

[Burningsok]

I'd say they received warning but didn't take it seriously.

Well thats a well known fact, no mystery here.

Really?! Didn't know. Doesn't surprise me, though. Intelligence blunders are frustratingly common. This one just happened to be costly.

The CIA tracked every movement of Bin Laden and his accomplices for a few years before 9/11. Basically since Al-Qaeda was formed.

I recommend you watching the National Geographic movie, Inside 9/11.

Wait?! so your telling me Bin Laden was hoping that we were tracking him down to keep us distracted while the terrorists made their move?

 

[Jfswift]

To quote maddox:

"1. The man in the picture above is Dylan Avery. To be more precise, the fact that Dylan, his friends, and family are alive, is proof that "Loose Change" is bullshit. He, along with a couple of his friends, created a 9/11 conspiracy video claiming that the US government and the military caused 9/11. Take a closer look at the last part of that last sentence: he's claiming that the US government, for whatever ends, killed nearly 3,000 innocent Americans, and tens if not hundreds of thousands of more lives in the conflicts that ensued because of it.

2. Since Dylan's arguing that the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if his documentary is true, and we've established that the government has no ethical qualms about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill Avery and his friends as well? What's a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy?

Whatever reason it may be that the government supposedly orchestrated this conspiracy, it must have been worth it to them to cause so much suffering and loss of life. So if there's any truth to this, then you can bet your ass that the government wouldn't let a couple of pecker-neck chumps with a couple of Macs and too much time on their hands jeopardise their entire operation by letting this stupid video float around on the Internet. I can picture you morons emailing me now: "BUT MADOX, MAYBE DYLAN POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT HAD A CHANCE TO REMOVE IT LOL." Yeah, too bad this rebuttal is inconsistent with the premise of Dylan's shit-festival of a movie: that the WTC was brought down "in a carefully planned and controlled demolition ... and it was pulled off with military precision." Now we're expected to believe that the same government that was able to commit the largest terrorist operation in history--with military precision no less--is suddenly too incompetent to sniff out and shut down a little website set up by some college losers within days, if not minutes of its creation? The US government has the capability to monitor every electronic communication made anywhere in the world, yet we're expected to believe that they wouldn't be able to nix this kid long before his video ever became popular?"

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

(I've never seen this btw)

I was thinking though.. doesn't it make the conspiracy theorist appear right if he/she suddenly disappears?

 

[Burningsok]

I thought it looked quite cool over the TV. Until I got to know people are trapped there.

And there's certainly something sketchy. Even the fact the planes got as far as they did. Normally you'd bomb the shit out of them before they reach major cities, so why wasn't the planes at least disabled/damaged, so that the people have a little chance to land... at least somewhere... but not the firggen NY, LOL!

I think what happened was the terrorist sprang into action when they were getting close to NYC instead of having to keep everyone hostage for the entire plane flight. This would of given our military less time to act.

Yeah I started remembering something about this now. But it seems that the other plane could have been intercepted in time, though.

Wow lol I forgot about the second plane.

 

[Arachon]

Spoiler

Explain that.

Certainly sir.

That picture shows nothing. Not only is it in a very low resolution, but the colour depth is terrible, making impossible to distinguish architecture from the smoke that covers the entire scene.

this [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/DF-SD-04-12734.JPEG] is what the Pentagon looked like after the scene cleared up a bit (AFAIK, this was taken after they'd cleared up quite a bit of the debris), the hole suddenly seems a lot bigger, no?

And the overlay of the "plane" really is nothing to go on as well, where did the information come from? How can we know it is correct?

 

[ShadowsofHope]

It's an event in which a small group of extremist religious individuals hi-jacked a few planes and attempted suicide strikes against major U.S. landmarks and military installations. The WTC is just the only major one that got a successful targeting, and was shocking enough to stall a nation for a few weeks (at first).

At the cost of seeming cold, America really needs to sort out getting over 9/11 after roughly 10 years the event past so far. Today, mainly it is just used as justification (by the right wing) for ultra-nationalistic tendencies and uproars, as well as propaganda for violence against American and Middle Eastern Muslims abroad. It's memory right now is a disservice to it's own injured nation.

 

[Woodsey]

Because it singlehandedly shaped the entire fucking century to come. You should care.

No, it hasn't.

OT: The government may have held back minor information that puts them in a bad light, but that's about it.

But like the first post said, I don't really care.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Ive read quite a bit about the supposed New World Order and 9/11 seems like a big start for them. How many CCTV cameras are around now since 9/11? Pretty much cameras for every street in every city. Now we are constantly monitored. Things like Google know what you search for and collect data on you, cameras see you everywhere. If America is supposed to stand for liberty I feel alot of liberties are being taken away from people

If the American government can orchestrate such an elaborate scheme with complete control, why the complete clusterfuck that is the war in Iraq and Afganistan?

Also, killing 6000 people just to hang up a few cameras and monitor you on Google? Really, that was their master plan?

 

[binvjoh]

I really don't know what to think. Since it didn't impact me in any direct way I haven't give it too much thought.

 

[AssassinJoe]

I couldn't give a shit. It didn't happen to me and it had no impact on me, so why should I care?

Fine! You don't have to care about it! I hope you don't mind if the rest of us do though! because the deaths of so many innocent people kinda make us feel bad! Call us oversensitive!

DAMMIT I WISH I COULD TYPE SARCASTICLY!

 

[Sigmund Av Volsung]

We need the guy from deus ex: Human Revolution to investigate this.
And everytime this sort of things happen, there is always going to be intel hidden from the public.
Like in V for Vendetta(but that was a movie).

 

[lacktheknack]

Am I the only one who wonders why there was no wing marks or plane parts on the crash site on the pentagon?

Spoiler: *Cough*

[small]Missle[/small]

Except there were many plane parts and wing marks at the Pentagon. Your argument is invalid.

 

[PureChaos]

there is certainly more to it than the USA is telling. what it is and what the ACTUAL truth if all of it is i don't know