Poll: Bin's Laden Body Being Handled In Islamic Tradition

[JDKJ]

I wouldn't say he has deserved the dignity, but it's all about showing yourself as the better man, I guess.

This. All this rejoicing at his death? Anybody remember the rejoicing around the world at 9/11? How can we claim to be better if we sink to that level? Besides, mistreating the remains would be needlessly provocative, like smoking in the room with the powderkeg.

I know, right? Let's mourn Saddam now, let's not celebrate his death in the slightest. The problem with your logic that being happy about the death of someone who's brought about the death of hundreds of people is hardly sinking to his level.

I'm sorry, I just can't bring myself to be happy about it. Now if we gave him a trial, and then threw him in jail to rot for the rest of his natural life...

Edit: And yes, sinking to his level. A death is never something to celebrate.

Edit edit: Also, please tell me you just compared Saddam to Osama, and didn't get them confused.

You strike me as a smart person. Smart enough to know that the only difference between a war hero and a war criminal is who won the war.

"I have broken every law I have sworn to uphold, I have become what I beheld and I am content that I have done right!" -- Elliot Ness, "The Untouchables"

Which is why I think there are very few legitimate reasons to go to war, but that's another story for another thread.

Point being, though, that to the victor, their conduct is always justified. It's the loser who lacks justification for their conduct in the eyes of the victor. Even though the conduct of both may be identical.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

If America can grant that, then think how awesome it'll make them look;
'Yeah, this guy is the leader of the group that killed 3000 civilians by flying planes into heavily populated buildings. It was the worst attack in US history. Now their leader is dead. This man deserves no dignity by our standards, but we'll give him dignity in death anyway. That's just how we roll.' It'll cement their position as the good guys (although it is clear to most who is good and who is bad when one of the group consists of religious extremists who are against woman's rights, education and freedom)

I sincerely hope that was sarcasm; you can't honestly believe that desecrating a corpse is something that the good guys do.

If I was being sarcastic then that would mean I was previously saying that America should desecrate his corpse. I was not being sarcastic, and unless your confused, then unlike you I believe America should not desecrate his corpse.

I was confused, then; to me, it read like you were saying we should desecrate the corpse.

Edit: And re-reading it, I have no idea how I got that impression. It's clearly time for me to go to bed.

 

[UnmotivatedSlacker]

He's dead people, let's not be pricks about it and kick around the body.

 

[Custard_Angel]

Perform a regular autopsy and hand the body back to family or whoever wants to claim it.

The way things should be done for all people.

 

[sidecord]

im fine with it as long as someone slips some ham or bacon in with the body

 

[Kaymish]

dignity deserved no should the dignity be paid yes since it will perhaps cool the idiots who get dragged into this terrorist bull crap if it is shown that the west can respect some of the islamic belief when we choose if we disrespect the body it will win us more enemies that it will win us friends those people are insane and we must act with their insanity in mind

 

[King Toasty]

Sure, a body is no threat to anyone. Let's show him a final mercy, even though he didn't show any to anybody else. We have to be the good guys, after all.

 

[GrimTuesday]

I don't even see why we're all celebrating his death, the fact is a human being has died. To me it matters not that he was some monster, nor that he kill thousands of people, what matters is he is dead, and it changes nothing. This was no victory, his death won't bring anyone back from the dead, it won't automatically stop the terrorists who saw him as their leader, and it won't end all our wars in the Middle East, all we have is a dead sack of meat. This is an oppertunity to reach out to those who are sitting on the fence, those who don't know what to believe, these are the people that, if we defile the body will see it as an insult and take up arms, thus making bin-Ladin a martyr in the eyes of many, if we treat the body with respect, we have show that we are not the evil enemy that bin-Ladin devoted half his life to fighting, then we are the ones who respected Islamic tradtion, thus promoting tolerence throughout the world.

that was a round about way of saying we should afford the body with all necessery respects as dictated by the traditions he held to in life.

 

[alandavidson]

I wouldn't say he has deserved the dignity, but it's all about showing yourself as the better man, I guess.

That.

 

[SteewpidZombie]

Morally I would say that yes he deserves a respected burial, but that doesn't mean he deserves respect for his actions or his evident death.

Side Notes (Can be found in modern highschool history textbooks):
Stalin and Hitler killed several million people alone during WWII (Within the last 100 years), and the Rwanda massacre killed several hundred thousand (Last 30 years), while Osama bin Laden was indirectly responsible for several hundred if any at all (Last 11 years), the American Military has caused several thousand civilian casualties in the middle east (Last 11 years). All things considered, Osama is less evil than most dictators, terrorists, military's and genocide leaders that have appeared in the last 100 years.

 

[soultrain117]

I had to respond with the last choice it reminded me of the Team America World Police movie and it made me crack up.

 

[Vausch]

Desecrating a corpse is a horrible act no matter how evil the person, but Osama was not a true Muslim so no he does not deserve to be treated as such. He just deserves a burial, nothing more.

 

[AngryFrenchCanadian]

Any corpse deserves A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF respect, including the corpse of a criminal. Including an international criminal, a war criminal, a terrorist, etc.

Yeah. I mean, there's justice, and then there's acting like barbarians. Who is it gonna help if we don't handle the body with a minimal amount of care?

Morally I would say that yes he deserves a respected burial, but that doesn't mean he deserves respect for his actions or his evident death.

Side Notes (Can be found in modern highschool history textbooks):
Stalin and Hitler killed several million people alone during WWII (Within the last 100 years), and the Rwanda massacre killed several hundred thousand (Last 30 years), while Osama bin Laden was indirectly responsible for several hundred if any at all (Last 11 years), the American Military has caused several thousand civilian casualties in the middle east (Last 11 years). All things considered, Osama is less evil than most dictators, terrorists, military's and genocide leaders that have appeared in the last 100 years.

There's that, too.

 

[meditator101]

To put it in perspective: Al Qaeda & sattilite organizations regularly torture and mutilate their prisoners, including civilians and children while they're still alive.

Sorry, but you lose decoration rights at your funeral when that shit's on your rapsheet.

*Cough* Water boarding *Cough*

Sorry! Had something hypocritical in my throat!

 

[teebeeohh]

if it was important to him in life, go ahead not matter what he did. Remember, you are the good guys. Plus if you do this right you kinda make it harder to be used as propaganda.

 

[teknoarcanist]

Fuck your personal sense of vindication. This is how you present something like this to the rest of the Islamic world. It's a measure of respect.