Poll: Do non-humans deserve human rights?
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Any sentient creature deserves rights, I really don't understand why most people here say they don't.
Depends, if we are talking about, say dogs, or cattle then no, they have their own sets of rights. If we're talking about something like the Turians (of Mass Effect fame) or something that's sentient in the same way we are and they aren't antagonizing us then we can at least treat them like tourists or allies in terms of friendly diplomatic relations, I mean if we pull a district 9 then we're no better than the Zentreadi or Haydonites (Robotech, look it up), and that's a pretty bad low to hit. I only bring aliens into this because you get this from district 9 which I havn't seen but I get the premise of.
well the question is how sentiant are they i mean if its a species that has like a head leader that is intelagent and then like the res of thme are stupid drones then probably not. also if they are hostile then hells no. But if they are friendly and near or on comparable or higher intellectual levels than humans and are willing to share tech with us then yes they can.
well we should all have our own seperate rights, since certain speciecs even though sentient maybe have a different culture/view on death/re-production ect ect. for instance lets say that mating for that species is basically random alien walks up to random aliens girl and they just do what ever they do to re-produce, the female (if there is a female for said species) has no choice, this would probably be considered rape (in AMERICAAAA) so we would say its against the law, forcing that species to leave or change there way of re-production entirely, aliens should have alien rights, not human rights, infact, could each species just have there own worlds?? kind of like mass effects...
yay hypocrisy! /sarcasm, i dont think that non sentient creatures should have the rights of creatures as smart as us, (able to communicate, think, ect.) but if it is a creature from say mass effect that is on the same sentient level or above than us then i see no reason to treat them differently, because it would be racism to treat them differently (get it race..ha..ha...)Del-Toro said:
Exactly, thank you for being more considerate of theoretical intelligent life than most people here and not taking the "human" part so literally.Del-Toro said:
As for the guy you quoted, it's because you're a philosophical bastard, while most of us are the regular kind.
If the aliens in question were as intelligent as humans and had a society that wasn't completely alien to us, then yes, I would say giving them human rights would be logical. Those would have to be modified to some extent depending on the culture of the species, though.
The replies in this thread are just kind of stupid.
You can't compare a snail or a dog to another sentient species.
Another sentient species deserves the same respect that you would give to another human. Basically, don't kill them, don't discriminate, keep your mouth closed when you're eating, etc. etc.
You can't compare a snail or a dog to another sentient species.
Another sentient species deserves the same respect that you would give to another human. Basically, don't kill them, don't discriminate, keep your mouth closed when you're eating, etc. etc.
Not the same rights as humans per se, but guidelines non the less.... I would need to truly understand species customs and attitudes before I could truly make a decision
Ashley Williams actually sums this up pretty well:
"If you're out in the woods and you're being chased by a bear, you'll sic your dog on it. Sure, you may love your dog, but you'll do it because in the end, it isn't human."
So, I believe they deserve rights, but humans should come first.
"If you're out in the woods and you're being chased by a bear, you'll sic your dog on it. Sure, you may love your dog, but you'll do it because in the end, it isn't human."
So, I believe they deserve rights, but humans should come first.
I think Mass Effect did the most to make up my own mind on this subject.
Aliens deserve rights like ours if they are sentient and can communicate freely with humans. That way we can share our culture, language, technology, and crock pot recipes with other humanoid life forms just like we would with fellow humans.
But say, "Independence Day" aliens who just want to conquer planet after planet like a bunch of locusts, or say like the flood from Halo that want to snuff out all life. They should be hunted down and killed as a threat, like we would do to any other death critter such as raptors, or giant spiders.
I really really want to see D-9. I'm rooting for the aliens because the poor guys just want to go home. But you can't blame the humans for imprisoning them because they landed on Earth with superior technology and (supposedly) no way to communicate.
The fun thing to consider is if the roles were reversed. Would you think it would be morally right for an alien society to say, imprison the crew of the USS Enterprise who's sole purpose is to "seek out and new life and civilizations; to boldly go where no man has gone before!" keeping them prisoner and segregated on an alien planet for 28 years? I think humanity would see that as a war crime.
Aliens deserve rights like ours if they are sentient and can communicate freely with humans. That way we can share our culture, language, technology, and crock pot recipes with other humanoid life forms just like we would with fellow humans.
But say, "Independence Day" aliens who just want to conquer planet after planet like a bunch of locusts, or say like the flood from Halo that want to snuff out all life. They should be hunted down and killed as a threat, like we would do to any other death critter such as raptors, or giant spiders.
I really really want to see D-9. I'm rooting for the aliens because the poor guys just want to go home. But you can't blame the humans for imprisoning them because they landed on Earth with superior technology and (supposedly) no way to communicate.
The fun thing to consider is if the roles were reversed. Would you think it would be morally right for an alien society to say, imprison the crew of the USS Enterprise who's sole purpose is to "seek out and new life and civilizations; to boldly go where no man has gone before!" keeping them prisoner and segregated on an alien planet for 28 years? I think humanity would see that as a war crime.
No they are not human but that doesn't mean they don't have a culture, society and indeed emotion. They are capable of independant self aware thinking and most likely have friends and family and are looking out for their best interests. I'll admit that socially they may have a very different culture to us but they are entitled to it, I say we treat them equally. Sure they aren't human but if they are cultured, intelligent and with emotion then they deserve equal treatment and respect and certainly not bigotry.
However we can give them rights but we cannot impose our own values on them, that's just cruel.
However we can give them rights but we cannot impose our own values on them, that's just cruel.
If they are truly not human than no.
"human rights" ... the answer should be obvious since its not "human and alien right"
now this doesn't mean treat them horribly, we would have to establish alien rights. this would be done by a colaboration with the aliens. It all depends on why they are here, plan to do, and how each species can benefit one another.
The idea of just pushing our laws, rights, etc. onto another species is very arrogant.
*in summary: they deserve rights, but not "human" rights... b/c they are not freakin human... i really don't see how this would be questioned, human is human is human
"human rights" ... the answer should be obvious since its not "human and alien right"
now this doesn't mean treat them horribly, we would have to establish alien rights. this would be done by a colaboration with the aliens. It all depends on why they are here, plan to do, and how each species can benefit one another.
The idea of just pushing our laws, rights, etc. onto another species is very arrogant.
*in summary: they deserve rights, but not "human" rights... b/c they are not freakin human... i really don't see how this would be questioned, human is human is human