Poll: Do you hate Ctrl-Alt-Del?

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Pimppeter2

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I used to love it a lot. But it was slowly decreasing in quality around the miscarriage part. I still read it just because.

I don't care about it being more serious and less gaming comic jokes. But the story lines have lost their charm.
 

Zenn3k

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The story stuff is kinda boring, the parodies are usually good. But I don't HATE it.
 

ultimateownage

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Also he explained it on his website which I have kindly copy and pasted for you
23/3/08: You Cad

Review this week was Turok, for anyone who didn't notice. Watch it and let's all get on with our lives.

As a recent interview with me over at Gamespot and several references in previous reviews and writings may have informed you, I have a long-standing hatred of the webcomic Ctrl-Alt-Del. I thought I'd take a moment to explain it a bit better.

You see, I have this theory that the internet is causing a general mediocritisation of human culture, because you can put pretty much any piece of work on the internet and no matter how hugely it sucks dolphin jizz you'll find some dick who's prepared to tell you it's brilliant. This is the principle on which Deviantart appears to be founded.

But the cruellest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't. It gives them no incentive to improve or try new things, which a creative person must always strive to do. And it tends to foster the kind of monstrous egos the webcomic sphere grows like mushrooms in the shit-spattered dark. Tim Buckley of Ctrl-Alt-Del is notorious for having a zero tolerance for any criticism, constructive or otherwise, often deleting it unregarded from his forums, or declaring them invalid for half-baked reasons. It seems blanket praise has already done its damage to this fevered ego.

I don't hate Buckley. I look at CAD and I see a lot of misdirected potential. I know, that sounds hilarious even to me. But if you look at Buckley's art blog, you'll find that he's actually a pretty decent artist when he wants to be. But the promise of easy praise and popularity keeps him mired in his copy-pasted shoulder-hunched droopy-eyed slack-jawed magnum opus.

Not that copy-pasted art need necessarily ruin a comic - Dinosaur Comics is one of my favourite regular reads. It's the fact that for having run a gag-a-day strip for however many years, Buckley still has no idea how to structure a joke. I've never known an artist so determined to never learn anything about their craft. His usual response to this sort of thing is that he just has his own style and that there's no such thing as a 'right' or 'wrong' opinion, but the fact is, while humour is a flexible harlot, it still has rules. Rules which can be broken in the right contexts; contexts which don't include anything Tim Buckley has written.

I'm going to post a link now to a Ctrl-Alt-Del comic from July 2007. Don't let the fact that it's old excuse the mistakes; this is still very typical of Buckley's current work.

[link]http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070718[/link]

Here's another comic, this one a Penny Arcade strip from early the same year. The subject matter and joke are the same (Puzzle Quest) but it's a fairly obvious joke to make and I can easily assume both writers came up with it independently.

[link]http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/03/28[/link]

Both comics identify the humour in the situation - that the rules of a game world seem absurd when applied to the real world - but while Penny Arcade understands that the crux of a joke should be reserved for the final panel, Ctrl-Alt-Del is apparently so excited about the idea that it blurts it out right away, leaving three more panels to flounder in excessive dialogue and pointlessness.

A punchline should be equated to an actual punch in the face. That's why it's called a punch-line. You deliver it and run. You do not hang around explaining how you did the punch and that the recipient should probably be in a lot of pain now.

Identify the funny part of the idea and save it for last. Leave with the audience laughing. If you do nothing else, finish strong. That's a rule any humourist will agree with. But with the centrepoint of the gag already uselessly spent, Buckley's comic is forced to fall upon its old standby of violence as a sort of prosthetic punchline. Now, violence can certainly be funny, modern cinema was virtually built on the tradition of slapstick, but it doesn't work in static, non-animated media. There is humour to be found in shock value, but most people have been on the internet long enough to not be shocked by anything as mundane as a claymore through the sweetbreads.

But even if the joke were structured properly, there is still far too much dialogue. This is a problem common to a lot of webcomics, but since we're already in the CAD-bashing groove we'll stick with it. Shakespeare wrote that 'brevity is the soul of wit'. He did not then add 'unless you're writing a webcomic'. It applies to everything, and don't tell me you're arrogant enough to claim to know better than Shakespeare.

A gag strip has a very simple formula. Buildup. Buildup. Buildup. Punchline. Anything that does not in some way build towards the punchline can safely be removed. If any dialogue can conceivably be replaced with a gesture or facial expression (visit Perry Bible Fellowship for a crash course in this), do so; this is a comic, a predominantly visual medium, not a fucking essay. Additionally, any dialogue pertaining to either ninjas, pirates, monkeys or Jesus should be excised, sealed in resin and buried in an undersea volcano.

This is why Ctrl-Alt-Del is a blight, and the fact that it remains crushingly popular despite making mistakes that a child would be brutally caned for on their first day at comedy school is one of the main reasons I openly weep tears for the future of human culture.

I know that an opinion can't technically be wrong and that there could be people who still like CAD for the characters or the art, but if you genuinely think that it is well-written, then you are demonstrably wrong. That's all there is to it.

Yahtzee is well aware that his own previous webcomic efforts aren't necessarily any better but reminds you that they came out of a dark time in his life from which he has determinedly moved on without a backward glance

- Yahtzee
 

Dave Rain

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I don't hate it, but i serverly dislike it.

The misscarry
Ethan's Stupidity
the so called, plot

It's just too stupid.
 

PhunkyPhazon

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Well when the comic is focusing on the plot, I don't think Buckley is actually trying to be funny, so when someone criticizes the comic because it's not funny, I think that's like trying to blame a soap opera because it isn't funny enough. You can't really criticize a comic for not being something that it isn't intended to be.

As for the parodies, I typically do find those to be funny. I don't mind walls of text since I'm a fast reader.
 

atalanta

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kyouger said:
...and the fact that once Yahtzee showed up, he turned you all into little clones of him...
Broseph, I hated CAD long before I'd even heard of Yahtzee.

Buckley can't set up a four-panel joke to save his life, his characters are wildly unlikeable, and it doesn't help that Buckley himself is kind of a dick. And by kind of a dick, I mean he's really a dick.
 

ThrobbingEgo

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Yes! I'm going to send my time and energy hating something that's on the internet, for our entertainment, for free. I hope Tim Buckly chokes on my rage-boner.

Seriously, don't you people have anything better to do? Like, read Garfield Minus Garfield?
 

Lordmarkus

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C-A-D? Can't live without it. Need to check my processor power and somesuch.

Oh, you mean the comic. No opinion. Been avoiding it.
 

Talendra

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I'm guessing it's something like with Halo and how it is cool to hate it?
I personally love CAD I have it in my list of web comics I check most days, probably my favourite after Questionable Content.
 

Soushi

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I lik it. But it is nothing compared to the best Web Comic ever made, Gone with the Blastwave
 

Hurr Durr Derp

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I strongly dislike CAD and Buckley, but I don't hate them.

I mean sure I think CAD is a lame, failed Penny-Arcade ripoff with bad copypaste art, and that Buckly can't write a good joke to save his life (he can come up with a good joke now and then, he just fails at writing them) but if other people enjoy it anyway that's their problem, not mine.
And technically it's not even their problem, because why would something you like be a problem anyway?

I'm not going too deep into the whole storyline thing since I don't follow the comic enough to judge that. However the parts I did see were, like his jokes, very poorly written but without even the benefit of having an essentially decent idea behind them.

Anyway, the point I'm failing to make here is; why would I hate something that I can easily avoid by, oh I dunno, not going to his site(s), and which doesn't affect me in any way at all?
 

Dark Link

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It has a few good jokes, but it's not the comic I hate. It's Buckley, one of the most arrogant and unapologetic assholes ever to grace the internet.

Yahtzee may seem like an arse at times, but at least he's able to qualify his statements, learn from his mistakes and take on criticism. Buckley does none of the above, deleting posts criticizing his work and banning those who dislike it (although, I can see why he would ban people who joined the forums of a comic they hate just to tell him that they hate the comic). He even allegedly threatened legal action against a teenager who showed him a piece of fanart. He is a monstrous egotist, and even in webcomic circles he isn't respected much at all. Just look at Scott Kurtz' introduction to Penny Arcade Book 3, where he states: "No matter how much these guys stay ahead of me, at least I know that I will always be better than CAD". Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins, who seem to be nice, easy-to-talk-to and altogether respectable people have slandered Buckley, with Jerry saying that "Tim Buckley is the antichrist" and Mike calling Buckley an art criminal (presumably because Buckley's characters have a total of one facial expression between them).

So, in conclusion, it's not Ctrl+Alt+Delete that I hate. it's Tim fucking Buckley.
 

Soushi

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kyouger said:
Alright, so CAD. After extensive reading on TVTropes, it appears that every single person on the internet hates Tim Buckly and hates what he does. And since The Escapist is one of the biggest gaming forums out there, I figured I'd ask your opinions. I know that this poll is fairly pointless, and the fact that once Yahtzee showed up, he turned you all into little clones of him, but I'm willing to run it anyway for kicks.

Now CAD can be divided into 2 different categories: The Plot (The part of the comic involving Ethan, Lilah and Zeke) and the Parodies (When Buckly does what gaming comics SHOULD do; gaming parodies).

Vote in the poll and PLEASE just try to post your opinion on both sections of Ctrl-Alt-Del's comic. I don't care if you hate something, so long as you have your reasons for it.

Personally, The Plot sections are alright, but getting really melodramatic now and starting to wear on my nerves. The Parodies are actually really funny most of the time, when not blocked by a Wall of Text.
-first of all, it will take a lot more than a guy in a cool hat slinging mud to turn me into a clone, thank you very much.
- Second of all, who are YOU to be saying what gaming comics should and shouldn't do?
 

uNeekS

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I wouldn't say I love it but as far as web comics go it's one of the few I give the time of day to.
 

yourbeliefs

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I find it to be mildly amusing. I've never laughed at it, mostly just getting a chuckle in here and there. It's something to read when you're at work and have nothing else to do. In fact it's been a while since I read it so perhaps I'll go do so while I wait for my co-worker to get back to me..