Poll: do you support the afghan war

[whycantibelinus]

I can see through your sarcasm, I didn't say that there wasn't oil in the mountains, it's just that is almost impossible to hual the equipment nessecary to get it up there, and Bin Laden is possobly hiding in Pakastan but since they're un-coopritive it's not an easy job and we have to accept their borders if they don't want us in and even if they are an admitably questional ally.

I guess we are both kind of stuck in our way of thinking, and I was just trying to lighten the mood a bit with the sarcasm, not trying to offend you.

I don't hate America, I just am not the hugest fan of our foreign policy. I do feel like we forge questionable alliance's to try and get what we want when we want it, I mean for Christ's sake the CIA fucking trained Bin Laden to be a guerrilla fighter and now it is most definitely biting us in the ass. The United States put Saddam Hussein in power, we allowed Mao Zedong to gain power in China in order to usurp the Japanese during WW2. We do stupid things is all I'm saying and I feel like going to Afghanistan, taking out their govt., and then establishing one that we support is probably not the best idea considering our damn track record with that kind of thing.

Btw, I do respect your point of view and I am enjoying this back and forth immensely.

 

[Major_Tom]

Yes I support the great Soviet Red Army in their fight for...
oops, wrong war.

Spichki!

 

[lizards]

I don't support any war.

[sub]Also, OP, learn how to spell. And how to think.[/sub]

how cute

 

[Smagmuck_]

I can see through your sarcasm, I didn't say that there wasn't oil in the mountains, it's just that is almost impossible to hual the equipment nessecary to get it up there, and Bin Laden is possobly hiding in Pakastan but since they're un-coopritive it's not an easy job and we have to accept their borders if they don't want us in and even if they are an admitably questional ally.

I guess we are both kind of stuck in our way of thinking, and I was just trying to lighten the mood a bit with the sarcasm, not trying to offend you.

I don't hate America, I just am not the hugest fan of our foreign policy. I do feel like we forge questionable alliance's to try and get what we want when we want it, I mean for Christ's sake the CIA fucking trained Bin Laden to be a guerrilla fighter and now it is most definitely biting us in the ass. The United States put Saddam Hussein in power, we allowed Mao Zedong to gain power in China in order to usurp the Japanese during WW2. We do stupid things is all I'm saying and I feel like going to Afghanistan, taking out their govt., and then establishing one that we support is probably not the best idea considering our damn track record with that kind of thing.

Btw, I do respect your point of view and I am enjoying this back and forth immensely.

Um, we didn't put Saddam in power, but I digress. At least this didn't end up like that flame war I was involved in, now that was stupid thinking. LOL, I laugh at myself.

 

[Chipperz]

I don't support any war. Especially not this one.

Would you have supported WWI and WWII? Come on, really now....

Well, World War 1 was a bunch of overfed toffs on both sides seeing how many people they could kill in a few years for a few feet of land.

If World War 1 hadn't happened, Germany wouldn't have been beaten, which meant they would have had a better economic climate during the twenties, which would have meant Hitler could have afforded to go to art school and got good at it. The increased economic climate would have meant that Germany could better weather the economic downturn caused by the Great Depression, which would have given Hitler far less support during the desperate early thirties (if he'd ran for politics at all, having less to blame on the Jews). It would have been far harder to come to power, which means that World War 2 could have been averted entirely.

In this timeline, there would be no Israel/Palestine conflict, the USSR may never have come to power/come to power later and at better terms with America, which would have meant that the Cold War wouldn't have been fought in proxy wars in places like Viet Nam and Afghanistan, which would have meant that America would never had supplied arms to Al Queda to help fight the Russians, which would have meant they would have had a harder time coming to power. On top of this, America wouldn't have become the unelected (and largely unwanted) police of the world, so they would have been far better liked. Also, if Communism had never taken hold, I wouldn't have to endure countless Che Guevara T-Shirts worn by people who don't see the irony of having a communist leader on mass-produced T-Shirts.

So no. I don't support World War 1.

I don't support the war in Afghanistan, either. I don't think even the military leaders know why they're there any more.

 

[thest3alth]

No! We do it normal, it's the 11th of September, not the September of the 11th. Bloody yanks.

Right....say who won the Revolutionary War again? Something about people wearing red coats in the middle of green foliage.

What's even worse is the French kicked your ass too....now THAT is embarrassing.

B-b-back in my day w-we skewered those dang B-brits on pi-pikes!

Seriously, 300 years ago. Who cares?

 

[whycantibelinus]

I can see through your sarcasm, I didn't say that there wasn't oil in the mountains, it's just that is almost impossible to hual the equipment nessecary to get it up there, and Bin Laden is possobly hiding in Pakastan but since they're un-coopritive it's not an easy job and we have to accept their borders if they don't want us in and even if they are an admitably questional ally.

I guess we are both kind of stuck in our way of thinking, and I was just trying to lighten the mood a bit with the sarcasm, not trying to offend you.

I don't hate America, I just am not the hugest fan of our foreign policy. I do feel like we forge questionable alliance's to try and get what we want when we want it, I mean for Christ's sake the CIA fucking trained Bin Laden to be a guerrilla fighter and now it is most definitely biting us in the ass. The United States put Saddam Hussein in power, we allowed Mao Zedong to gain power in China in order to usurp the Japanese during WW2. We do stupid things is all I'm saying and I feel like going to Afghanistan, taking out their govt., and then establishing one that we support is probably not the best idea considering our damn track record with that kind of thing.

Btw, I do respect your point of view and I am enjoying this back and forth immensely.

Um, we didn't put Saddam in power, but I digress. At least this didn't end up like that flame war I was involved in, now that was stupid thinking. LOL, I laugh at myself.

We didn't directly put him in power but we backed a coup of the Ba'ath party in 1963 in Iraq, of which he was a prominent member, and therefore gave him the ability to get into power.

 

[whycantibelinus]

I don't support any war. Especially not this one.

Would you have supported WWI and WWII? Come on, really now....

Well, World War 1 was a bunch of overfed toffs on both sides seeing how many people they could kill in a few years for a few feet of land.

If World War 1 hadn't happened, Germany wouldn't have been beaten, which meant they would have had a better economic climate during the twenties, which would have meant Hitler could have afforded to go to art school and got good at it. The increased economic climate would have meant that Germany could better weather the economic downturn caused by the Great Depression, which would have given Hitler far less support during the desperate early thirties (if he'd ran for politics at all, having less to blame on the Jews). It would have been far harder to come to power, which means that World War 2 could have been averted entirely.

In this timeline, there would be no Israel/Palestine conflict, the USSR may never have come to power/come to power later and at better terms with America, which would have meant that the Cold War wouldn't have been fought in proxy wars in places like Viet Nam and Afghanistan, which would have meant that America would never had supplied arms to Al Queda to help fight the Russians, which would have meant they would have had a harder time coming to power. On top of this, America wouldn't have become the unelected (and largely unwanted) police of the world, so they would have been far better liked. Also, if Communism had never taken hold, I wouldn't have to endure countless Che Guevara T-Shirts worn by people who don't see the irony of having a communist leader on mass-produced T-Shirts.

So no. I don't support World War 1.

I don't support the war in Afghanistan, either. I don't think even the military leaders know why they're there any more.

I like this universe, I'm going to build a machine that will let me go to alternate universes and I'm going to go there.

Kind of like Sliders.

 

[Venatio]

I dont think we have a good choice in the matter:

A: Fight a long and brutal war against a resistant insurgent - many of whom believe we are inavders. We will probably be there in force into 2020 atleast.

B: Retreat, lose the war and waste all the sacrifices made so far.

I like to think that history will judge what was the right or wrong action. Our job is to maintain some foresight in our decisions.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Is it just me that finds it amusing that a thread about the war, terrorism and 9/11 ends up being more about how dates are written?

(Though I'm on the side that month day year makes as much sense as digital clocks showing 38 seconds and 21 minutes past 11am as 11:38:21. Would you want to look at a clock going 11:39:21, 11:40:21, 11:41:21? Neither the smallest or largest figure should sit in the centre, just seems common sense to me.)

To me, the ridiculous amount of money we spent on the war could have been spent on researching alternative fuels, except that the public would never have accepted that spending on science, when it could be spent on shooting johnny foreigner, far more productive.

Yet, perfecting alternative fuels is a far better way to hit the middle east than any number of guns and rockets, as once we free ourselves from our reliance on oil, we can just cut ourselves off from them and everyone's happy!

NOTE: I realise this is a highly simplistic view, but I still maintain that it's far easier to pass funding on war than something that would improve the world, because people are fucking stupid.

I maintain that 9/11 did cause the economic disaster, because we chose to retaliate with hundreds of millions of dollars of war money, which could have gone towards, not having a worldwide economic disaster.

 

[Chipperz]

*snip*

I like this universe, I'm going to build a machine that will let me go to alternate universes and I'm going to go there.

Kind of like Sliders.

If you do, tell me! I want to flee from the Che Guevara T-Shirts for a bit and pick myself up a few A. Hitler prints! Hell, might even work (what with the 100% global employment and amazing healthcare that can only come from all races, colours and creeds working together in total harmony!) to get an original!

A few downsides - as they weren't needed to fight in World War 2, women still don't have the vote and black people still have to endure segregation, but hell, I'm sure we can champion those causes? Also, Platoon, Full Metal Jacket and Taxi Driver were never made. I say we don't make it a permanent stop.

 

[Archemetis]

other for i am bland and have no thoughts or personality

Seems a tad extreme don't you think?

So Because I have no real interest either way, like, I couldn't really care about whether it was happening or not, that makes me lack a personality?

Or because I just don't have any real thoughts on it, because I just don't tend to focus on it as much as others, that means I'm bland and boring?

Or if I'm just uninformed because I don't keep up with "Current" events or "who's killing who this week." means I'm devoid of personality?

I'm actually a pretty fun and unique person (or so I'm led to believe, it's probably lies anyway...) So how does that fit into this?

OT: It also seems you've not put a great deal of thought into the topic anyway...

 

[Shampoo Ninja]

I don't necessarily support the war, but I do support our troops.

 

[steroidaided]

the U.S. are changing their policy now...if this was a while back, i could've seen the U.S. invading honduras

 

[Haunted Serenity]

Yes
The Taliban was aiding terrorists who are now mostly in pakistan. If we leave afghanistan now, all the work thats been done will fall apart. Next, we are training the afghans to protect themselves but that takes time. The canadian forces have been over there and my cousin and myself also, i'm not letting all the people who have died trying to bring equality and free will(within reason for example you can't go burn someones house down and say but i have free will) go to waste.

 

[jebus4you]

I don't support any war.

[sub]Also, OP, learn how to spell. And how to think.[/sub]

yeah what he said

 

[steroidaided]

Yes
The Taliban was aiding terrorists who are now mostly in pakistan. If we leave afghanistan now, all the work thats been done will fall apart. Next, we are training the afghans to protect themselves but that takes time. The canadian forces have been over there and my cousin and myself also, i'm not letting all the people who have died trying to bring equality and free will(within reason for example you can't go burn someones house down and say but i have free will) go to waste.

good point there, but (i'm not actually against it) say, why were you there in the first place?