Fine I'll go again. The ESRB is an abomination and..and..oh hell someone say something new.
Wow that was in the wrong place my refresh is awful
Wow that was in the wrong place my refresh is awful
jack thompson fanboy!orannis62 post=9.68355.626327 said:About the Mass Effect controversy, it was so ridiculous, even Jack Thompson said so. I'm serious.
Calvin and Hobbes and a thing for bias in statistical data. I'm a simple man...fluffylandmine post=9.68355.626318 said:ok you are now the most credible person on this forum, which is odd because you seem to have a calvin and hobbs fetish going on.HobbesMkii post=9.68355.626314 said:Its interesting that the Poll is dead even, at the moment. Of course, it may be influenced by the amount of people on during the late hours.
I wonder what the response would've been if the question had been worded differently. Rather than "should stores restrict gaming purchases?" it could've been "Overall, are game ratings a good or a bad thing?" or "Should advisory boards exist for videogames?"
I would argue that since the ESRB is a review board constructed from a corporate entity, and since corporations are, at their most basic level, a way for multiple people to unite their financial power into one unified person, the ESRB is, in a capitalist society, as justified in hawking it's ideas as you or I am in this forum here. It's just that they have considerably more sway in the area of videogame regulation due to the fact that they are by and large endorsed (through it's establishment by the ESA) by the people who produce, manufacture, and sell the games.bubbaroark0451 post=9.68355.626304 said:I for one believe the ESRB is unjustified in it's attempts at social engineering.
dude... wtf, where the hell did that come from?!?Not a Spy post=9.68355.626343 said:(picks up controversial statement, brandishes like sword, the chucks into malestrom of debate)
Jesus said that we should worship the ESRB and that We should dance naked in Hanolulu...and we should have sex with monkeys...and blame the jews...or the blacks...or the whites....or Jack Thompson.
True, at one point the ESRB was indeed in the pockets of it's creators, however it has since betrayed it's master in a fashion not unentirley similar to Frankenstein's monster. It is now under heavy unseen regulation (lobbyists suck) and is detrimental to our cause. And by our I mean myself in tandem with the underground ESA, you know what the ESRB should have beenHobbesMkii post=9.68355.626339 said:Calvin and Hobbes and a thing for bias in statistical data. I'm a simple man...fluffylandmine post=9.68355.626318 said:ok you are now the most credible person on this forum, which is odd because you seem to have a calvin and hobbs fetish going on.HobbesMkii post=9.68355.626314 said:Its interesting that the Poll is dead even, at the moment. Of course, it may be influenced by the amount of people on during the late hours.
I wonder what the response would've been if the question had been worded differently. Rather than "should stores restrict gaming purchases?" it could've been "Overall, are game ratings a good or a bad thing?" or "Should advisory boards exist for videogames?"
I would argue that since the ESRB is a review board constructed from a corporate entity, and since corporations are, at their most basic level, a way for multiple people to unite their financial power into one unified person, the ESRB is, in a capitalist society, as justified in hawking it's ideas as you or I am in this forum here. It's just that they have considerably more sway in the area of videogame regulation due to the fact that they are by and large endorsed by the people who produce, manufacture, and sell the games.bubbaroark0451 post=9.68355.626304 said:I for one believe the ESRB is unjustified in it's attempts at social engineering.
You have obliterated your own argument with stunning speed.Saevus post=9.68355.626341 said:None of the objectivists have addressed this:
Why should you be entitled to buy M-rated games? The store would gladly sell them to you to turn a profit, and to everyone else, but that angers parents and causes them to take their business elsewhere. So, it is in the store's best interest to regulate who can buy what so that adults - who plop down thousands for TVs, stereo equipment, etc. - will be more willing to shop there for their family.
And that is one of the main reasons. Not 'morals', but because keeping the big spenders happy is the rational thing to do. And besides, if you're a 'man', you won't be held back by the edicts of society! You'll do what you want, because you are a free, rational individual!
...which is why you thus obey the laws that society has set forth for everyone's benefit.
Indeed I do. The Monkey cage may smell but Gray Flannel suits are uncommon.Not a Spy post=9.68355.626353 said:Im making a jest at how a lot of people in this thread are dancing around like a monkey in a cage and just want a fight .buggy65 post=9.68355.626346 said:dude... wtf, where the hell did that come from?!?Not a Spy post=9.68355.626343 said:(picks up controversial statement, brandishes like sword, the chucks into malestrom of debate)
Jesus said that we should worship the ESRB and that We should dance naked in Hanolulu...and we should have sex with monkeys...and blame the jews...or the blacks...or the whites....or Jack Thompson.
How's that? I demonstrated that it's completely rational for stores to bar minors from buying M-rated video games because of the way society works. And you can't legally do much about that, in spite of concepts about personal 'rights'.bubbaroark0451 post=9.68355.626349 said:You have obliterated your own argument with stunning speed.Saevus post=9.68355.626341 said:None of the objectivists have addressed this:
Why should you be entitled to buy M-rated games? The store would gladly sell them to you to turn a profit, and to everyone else, but that angers parents and causes them to take their business elsewhere. So, it is in the store's best interest to regulate who can buy what so that adults - who plop down thousands for TVs, stereo equipment, etc. - will be more willing to shop there for their family.
And that is one of the main reasons. Not 'morals', but because keeping the big spenders happy is the rational thing to do. And besides, if you're a 'man', you won't be held back by the edicts of society! You'll do what you want, because you are a free, rational individual!
...which is why you thus obey the laws that society has set forth for everyone's benefit.