Poll: Don?t restrict my gaming purchases! Sub question why is sex conidered worse than violence?

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bubbaroark0451

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Fine I'll go again. The ESRB is an abomination and..and..oh hell someone say something new.
Wow that was in the wrong place my refresh is awful
 

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About the Mass Effect controversy, it was so ridiculous, even Jack Thompson said so. I'm serious.
 

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fluffylandmine post=9.68355.626318 said:
HobbesMkii post=9.68355.626314 said:
Its interesting that the Poll is dead even, at the moment. Of course, it may be influenced by the amount of people on during the late hours.

I wonder what the response would've been if the question had been worded differently. Rather than "should stores restrict gaming purchases?" it could've been "Overall, are game ratings a good or a bad thing?" or "Should advisory boards exist for videogames?"
ok you are now the most credible person on this forum, which is odd because you seem to have a calvin and hobbs fetish going on.
Calvin and Hobbes and a thing for bias in statistical data. I'm a simple man...

bubbaroark0451 post=9.68355.626304 said:
I for one believe the ESRB is unjustified in it's attempts at social engineering.
I would argue that since the ESRB is a review board constructed from a corporate entity, and since corporations are, at their most basic level, a way for multiple people to unite their financial power into one unified person, the ESRB is, in a capitalist society, as justified in hawking it's ideas as you or I am in this forum here. It's just that they have considerably more sway in the area of videogame regulation due to the fact that they are by and large endorsed (through it's establishment by the ESA) by the people who produce, manufacture, and sell the games.
 

Saevus

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None of the objectivists have addressed this:

Why should you be entitled to buy M-rated games? The store would gladly sell them to you to turn a profit, and to everyone else, but that angers parents and causes them to take their business elsewhere. So, it is in the store's best interest to regulate who can buy what so that adults - who plop down thousands for TVs, stereo equipment, etc. - will be more willing to shop there for their family.

And that is one of the main reasons. Not 'morals', but because keeping the big spenders happy is the rational thing to do. And besides, if you're a 'man', you won't be held back by the edicts of society! You'll do what you want, because you are a free, rational individual!

...which is why you thus obey the laws that society has set forth for everyone's benefit.
 

buggy65

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Not a Spy post=9.68355.626343 said:
(picks up controversial statement, brandishes like sword, the chucks into malestrom of debate)

Jesus said that we should worship the ESRB and that We should dance naked in Hanolulu...and we should have sex with monkeys...and blame the jews...or the blacks...or the whites....or Jack Thompson.
dude... wtf, where the hell did that come from?!?
 

bubbaroark0451

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HobbesMkii post=9.68355.626339 said:
fluffylandmine post=9.68355.626318 said:
HobbesMkii post=9.68355.626314 said:
Its interesting that the Poll is dead even, at the moment. Of course, it may be influenced by the amount of people on during the late hours.

I wonder what the response would've been if the question had been worded differently. Rather than "should stores restrict gaming purchases?" it could've been "Overall, are game ratings a good or a bad thing?" or "Should advisory boards exist for videogames?"
ok you are now the most credible person on this forum, which is odd because you seem to have a calvin and hobbs fetish going on.
Calvin and Hobbes and a thing for bias in statistical data. I'm a simple man...

bubbaroark0451 post=9.68355.626304 said:
I for one believe the ESRB is unjustified in it's attempts at social engineering.
I would argue that since the ESRB is a review board constructed from a corporate entity, and since corporations are, at their most basic level, a way for multiple people to unite their financial power into one unified person, the ESRB is, in a capitalist society, as justified in hawking it's ideas as you or I am in this forum here. It's just that they have considerably more sway in the area of videogame regulation due to the fact that they are by and large endorsed by the people who produce, manufacture, and sell the games.
True, at one point the ESRB was indeed in the pockets of it's creators, however it has since betrayed it's master in a fashion not unentirley similar to Frankenstein's monster. It is now under heavy unseen regulation (lobbyists suck) and is detrimental to our cause. And by our I mean myself in tandem with the underground ESA, you know what the ESRB should have been
 

bubbaroark0451

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Saevus post=9.68355.626341 said:
None of the objectivists have addressed this:

Why should you be entitled to buy M-rated games? The store would gladly sell them to you to turn a profit, and to everyone else, but that angers parents and causes them to take their business elsewhere. So, it is in the store's best interest to regulate who can buy what so that adults - who plop down thousands for TVs, stereo equipment, etc. - will be more willing to shop there for their family.

And that is one of the main reasons. Not 'morals', but because keeping the big spenders happy is the rational thing to do. And besides, if you're a 'man', you won't be held back by the edicts of society! You'll do what you want, because you are a free, rational individual!

...which is why you thus obey the laws that society has set forth for everyone's benefit.
You have obliterated your own argument with stunning speed.
 

buggy65

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i got work in 4 hrs and i need sleep. thanks for the good discussion guys... i actually just joined today. for those i sent messages to... i mean it, lets buddy up sometime.

-peace out
 

bubbaroark0451

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Not a Spy post=9.68355.626353 said:
buggy65 post=9.68355.626346 said:
Not a Spy post=9.68355.626343 said:
(picks up controversial statement, brandishes like sword, the chucks into malestrom of debate)

Jesus said that we should worship the ESRB and that We should dance naked in Hanolulu...and we should have sex with monkeys...and blame the jews...or the blacks...or the whites....or Jack Thompson.
dude... wtf, where the hell did that come from?!?
Im making a jest at how a lot of people in this thread are dancing around like a monkey in a cage and just want a fight .
Indeed I do. The Monkey cage may smell but Gray Flannel suits are uncommon.
 

DeadlyFred

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Yanno my pet peeve? Is when developers strip all trace of blood from a game in order to scrape out a "T" rating with it. How the heck am I supposed to know if I'm killing something if its not bleeding copiously out of at least three orifices? Better than the ESRB, games should have built-in "content levels". At the kiddie levels you smite your enemies with bight-colored nerf weaponry and they bleed streams of flowers and puppy dogs. At the adult levels you get a thermonuclear chainsaw, all enemies contain about 50 gallons of blood and the hud is replaced by one of those internet desktop strip tease things.
 

Saevus

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bubbaroark0451 post=9.68355.626349 said:
Saevus post=9.68355.626341 said:
None of the objectivists have addressed this:

Why should you be entitled to buy M-rated games? The store would gladly sell them to you to turn a profit, and to everyone else, but that angers parents and causes them to take their business elsewhere. So, it is in the store's best interest to regulate who can buy what so that adults - who plop down thousands for TVs, stereo equipment, etc. - will be more willing to shop there for their family.

And that is one of the main reasons. Not 'morals', but because keeping the big spenders happy is the rational thing to do. And besides, if you're a 'man', you won't be held back by the edicts of society! You'll do what you want, because you are a free, rational individual!

...which is why you thus obey the laws that society has set forth for everyone's benefit.
You have obliterated your own argument with stunning speed.
How's that? I demonstrated that it's completely rational for stores to bar minors from buying M-rated video games because of the way society works. And you can't legally do much about that, in spite of concepts about personal 'rights'.