Poll: Don?t restrict my gaming purchases! Sub question why is sex conidered worse than violence?

[bubbaroark0451]

Yanno my pet peeve? Is when developers strip all trace of blood from a game in order to scrape out a "T" rating with it. How the heck am I supposed to know if I'm killing something if its not bleeding copiously out of at least three orifices? Better than the ESRB, games should have built-in "content levels". At the kiddie levels you smite your enemies with bight-colored nerf weaponry and they bleed streams of flowers and puppy dogs. At the adult levels you get a thermonuclear chainsaw, all enemies contain about 50 gallons of blood and the hud is replaced by one of those internet desktop strip tease things.

Have you ever played GoW my friend?

 

[fluffylandmine]

i must say this is one of the most philisophical and completely mental discussions i've ever been apart of.

now i know what marijuana is really like

 

[massuh]

Not a spy, you've been rather silent. WHY SO SERIOUS!!??

I just guess he's not a monkey looking for a fight

 

[bubbaroark0451]

None of the objectivists have addressed this:

Why should you be entitled to buy M-rated games? The store would gladly sell them to you to turn a profit, and to everyone else, but that angers parents and causes them to take their business elsewhere. So, it is in the store's best interest to regulate who can buy what so that adults - who plop down thousands for TVs, stereo equipment, etc. - will be more willing to shop there for their family.

And that is one of the main reasons. Not 'morals', but because keeping the big spenders happy is the rational thing to do. And besides, if you're a 'man', you won't be held back by the edicts of society! You'll do what you want, because you are a free, rational individual!

...which is why you thus obey the laws that society has set forth for everyone's benefit.

You have obliterated your own argument with stunning speed.

How's that? I demonstrated that it's completely rational for stores to bar minors from buying M-rated video games because of the way society works. And you can't legally do much about that.

I don't want to litigate anything. The Free Market is self-regulating. The ESRB is no longer a part of the Free Market. It is buy-able in the same way that everything is for sale and it has moderate lobbying powers of it's own.

 

[DeadlyFred]

Yanno my pet peeve? Is when developers strip all trace of blood from a game in order to scrape out a "T" rating with it. How the heck am I supposed to know if I'm killing something if its not bleeding copiously out of at least three orifices? Better than the ESRB, games should have built-in "content levels". At the kiddie levels you smite your enemies with bight-colored nerf weaponry and they bleed streams of flowers and puppy dogs. At the adult levels you get a thermonuclear chainsaw, all enemies contain about 50 gallons of blood and the hud is replaced by one of those internet desktop strip tease things.

Have you ever played GoW my friend?

I have, I'm just saying that kinda stuff should be standard. On everything. I have no time for puny puffs of politically-correct off-color dust--I demand blood.

 

[bubbaroark0451]

Not a spy, you've been rather silent. WHY SO SERIOUS!!??

I just guess he's not a monkey looking for a fight

See avatar

 

[bubbaroark0451]

I have, I'm just saying that kinda stuff should be standard. On everything. I have no time for puny puffs of politically-correct off-color dust--I demand blood.

Any response I could muster would be preaching to the choir.

 

[fluffylandmine]

Yanno my pet peeve? Is when developers strip all trace of blood from a game in order to scrape out a "T" rating with it. How the heck am I supposed to know if I'm killing something if its not bleeding copiously out of at least three orifices? Better than the ESRB, games should have built-in "content levels". At the kiddie levels you smite your enemies with bight-colored nerf weaponry and they bleed streams of flowers and puppy dogs. At the adult levels you get a thermonuclear chainsaw, all enemies contain about 50 gallons of blood and the hud is replaced by one of those internet desktop strip tease things.

Have you ever played GoW my friend?

gears 2 has that my... people

 

[Saevus]

None of the objectivists have addressed this:

Why should you be entitled to buy M-rated games? The store would gladly sell them to you to turn a profit, and to everyone else, but that angers parents and causes them to take their business elsewhere. So, it is in the store's best interest to regulate who can buy what so that adults - who plop down thousands for TVs, stereo equipment, etc. - will be more willing to shop there for their family.

And that is one of the main reasons. Not 'morals', but because keeping the big spenders happy is the rational thing to do. And besides, if you're a 'man', you won't be held back by the edicts of society! You'll do what you want, because you are a free, rational individual!

...which is why you thus obey the laws that society has set forth for everyone's benefit.

You have obliterated your own argument with stunning speed.

How's that? I demonstrated that it's completely rational for stores to bar minors from buying M-rated video games because of the way society works. And you can't legally do much about that.

I don't want to litigate anything. The Free Market is self-regulating. The ESRB is no longer a part of the Free Market. It is buy-able in the same way that everything is for sale and it has moderate lobbying powers of it's own.

That addresses my sardonic afterthought, not the question of why any store that hopes to make the most money possible shouldn't follow the logic above. Which is the actual question - restricting game purchases. Not the ESRB.

 

[bubbaroark0451]

Yanno my pet peeve? Is when developers strip all trace of blood from a game in order to scrape out a "T" rating with it. How the heck am I supposed to know if I'm killing something if its not bleeding copiously out of at least three orifices? Better than the ESRB, games should have built-in "content levels". At the kiddie levels you smite your enemies with bight-colored nerf weaponry and they bleed streams of flowers and puppy dogs. At the adult levels you get a thermonuclear chainsaw, all enemies contain about 50 gallons of blood and the hud is replaced by one of those internet desktop strip tease things.

Have you ever played GoW my friend?

gears 2 has that my... people

Chainsaw Duels. Chainsaw Duels. CHAINSAW DUELS!!! Freakin A

 

[fluffylandmine]

what if we we were all forced to the respective gov'ts that represent our indivdual views and interests, would people be happy then? no, they would not, because there will always be something we do not like or would like to complain about.

complaining is normal, for perfection is not.

 

[massuh]

I think ESRB is like the rating of movies, or magazines. to buy a porno magazine you have to be +18 and yet you can go and buy it. Or buying alcohol when you are minor. you can rent or buy movies that are for adults even if you don't are one. I think the ESRB is good in a way that if it wouldn't exist there are games that would be banned or censored, and not have and M+ rating they would never get to the market. And i think that the game developers know that, and there for as long as you can get your game anyways like everything else that is prohibited for minors just because some religious conservant pranks sue people.

 

[Saevus]

None of the objectivists have addressed this:

Why should you be entitled to buy M-rated games? The store would gladly sell them to you to turn a profit, and to everyone else, but that angers parents and causes them to take their business elsewhere. So, it is in the store's best interest to regulate who can buy what so that adults - who plop down thousands for TVs, stereo equipment, etc. - will be more willing to shop there for their family.

And that is one of the main reasons. Not 'morals', but because keeping the big spenders happy is the rational thing to do. And besides, if you're a 'man', you won't be held back by the edicts of society! You'll do what you want, because you are a free, rational individual!

...which is why you thus obey the laws that society has set forth for everyone's benefit.

You have obliterated your own argument with stunning speed.

How's that? I demonstrated that it's completely rational for stores to bar minors from buying M-rated video games because of the way society works. And you can't legally do much about that.

I don't want to litigate anything. The Free Market is self-regulating. The ESRB is no longer a part of the Free Market. It is buy-able in the same way that everything is for sale and it has moderate lobbying powers of it's own.

That addresses my sardonic afterthought, not the question of why any store that hopes to make the most money possible shouldn't follow the logic above. Which is the actual question - restricting game purchases. Not the ESRB.

(crash...Bump...Aieee)

I've just fallen off your train of thought.

Nested quotes are a nasty, nasty business. I'll rephrase.

An electronics store wants to make the most money possible. Video games sell for $60, say, and don't constitute the majority of their business. Who buys the big ticket items? Adults. Prosperous adults. What are the chances that some of these adults are parents? Pretty good. So, is it a good idea to piss off parents, especially since they have combined purchasing power, by letting their kids have unrestricted access to Mature-rated video games, something that constitutes a pretty small profit margin? Fuck no. Especially not when the parents will take their business elsewhere, and especially if the parents have teenaged children and pay for the myriad of consumer electronics their youthful spawn absolutely need to have.

So why would any rational store want to take that risk to satisfy the ego and sense of entitlement of kids? By OP's own objectivist logic, what he posits (unregulated game sales) doesn't work.

 

[DeadlyFred]

It's compliance under duress. I'm sure stores don't WANT to not sell kids the stuff... I mean Wal-Mart cares about as much about moral integrity as Pat Robertson does. They're just trying to look responsible and look as if they're doing their part and again, trying to get the raging harpy legions of child-protection lobbyists to shut their cans.

 

[Dr_Baron_von_Evilsatan]

To respond to the origin of this topic..

Deal with it. Games shouldn't be this important in someone's life.

 

[Saevus]

To respond to the origin of this topic..

Deal with it. Games shouldn't be this important in someones life.

Understandably, you haven't slogged through this thread. But just so you know, logic does not apply here. If it did, you'd be right in just about every way possible.

 

[DeadlyFred]

To respond to the origin of this topic..

Deal with it. Games shouldn't be this important in someone's life.

We did that one on like page 2 or something.