Poll: Don?t restrict my gaming purchases! Sub question why is sex conidered worse than violence?

[DeadlyFred]

Sub-question: Let him who hath understanding reckon the Number of the Beast, for it is a human number. Its number is eight-million, eight-thousand, one hundred thirty five.

 

[Saevus]

saevus is there is a store in your same town that sells a M+ game to a minor and that kid can't get it in your store the he's going there. if you sell a kid a M+ game, who is going to complain? tell me that. I mean. you don't care about the kids parents they don't buy games. if they did the kid would already have the game at his house. And I don't think that any gamer takes the ESRB seriously they don't even take them selfs seriously.

EDIT: wow I'm out of place here (?) I was talking about freaking game stores... no about damn home depots and electronic shops.

Parents have control over their kids; they may not buy games, but they can quite likely keep their kid from buying games. And, even in the case of a games store, parents will get severely pissed off if Johnny comes home with GTA 4, free and easy. There are articles on this very site that document that happening, and honestly, it isn't as rare as you may think. Not just helicopter parents, but a lot of responsible parents will flip the fuck out when they see their kid running over people, gunning them down, and buying whores in a game. It's a natural reaction, and what they do from there is their decision. Enough choose to complain that the stores find it better to regulate sales.

saevus is a little militant in his approach

How's that? Regulating game sales is good for business, cuts down on moral panic amongst parents who are ignorant to the issue, and it makes the industry look responsible. Sorry, but throwing that away because of a handful of high school kids who claim they're smarter and more mature than most adults is not a good idea. At all.

Edit: I will say that ESRB needs an overhaul. AO = 18 years, M = 16 years, T = 12 years. Small changes, but more realistic ones.

 

[massuh]

Sub-question: Let him who hath understanding reckon the Number of the Beast, for it is a human number. Its number is eight-million, eight-thousand, one hundred thirty five.

Too much iron maiden(?)
Me didn't understand...

 

[fluffylandmine]

saevus is a little militant in his approach

How's that? Regulating game sales is good for business, cuts down on moral panic amongst parents who are ignorant to the issue, and it makes the industry look responsible. Sorry, but throwing that away because of a handful of high school kids who claim they're smarter and more mature than most adults is not a good idea. At all.

you just answered it for yourself

 

[DeadlyFred]

Sub-question: Let him who hath understanding reckon the Number of the Beast, for it is a human number. Its number is eight-million, eight-thousand, one hundred thirty five.

Too much iron maiden(?)
Me didn't understand...

1.) You can never have too much Iron Maiden.
2.) Write (or type) the number out and look at it

 

[fluffylandmine]

i have a question to the sub question.

why is male nipple just fine but female nipple cuases wars

 

[massuh]

saevus is there is a store in your same town that sells a M+ game to a minor and that kid can't get it in your store the he's going there. if you sell a kid a M+ game, who is going to complain? tell me that. I mean. you don't care about the kids parents they don't buy games. if they did the kid would already have the game at his house. And I don't think that any gamer takes the ESRB seriously they don't even take them selfs seriously.

EDIT: wow I'm out of place here (?) I was talking about freaking game stores... no about damn home depots and electronic shops.

Parents have control over their kids; they may not buy games, but they can quite likely keep their kid from buying games. And, even in the case of a games store, parents will get severely pissed off if Johnny comes home with GTA 4, free and easy. There are articles on this very site that document that happening, and honestly, it isn't as rare as you may think. Not just helicopter parents, but a lot of responsible parents will flip the fuck out when they see their kid running over people, gunning them down, and buying whores in a game. It's a natural reaction, and what they do from there is their decision. Enough choose to complain that the stores find it better to regulate sales.

saevus is a little militant in his approach

How's that? Regulating game sales is good for business, cuts down on moral panic amongst parents who are ignorant to the issue, and it makes the industry look responsible. Sorry, but throwing that away because of a handful of high school kids who claim they're smarter and more mature than most adults is not a good idea. At all.

Man sorry to disappoint you but 80% of parents are working all day long so you play when they are not home, and you don't play when they are home. As easy as that.
And that is what it happens. And if the parent get pissed off you don't lose nothing.

Again your argument is invalid

 

[massuh]

i have a question to the sub question.

why is male nipple just fine but female nipple cuases wars

Duh! the female one has milk! and men are thirsty! just joking

maybe because the same reason men wear shorts in the beach and women bikinis?

 

[Saevus]

saevus is there is a store in your same town that sells a M+ game to a minor and that kid can't get it in your store the he's going there. if you sell a kid a M+ game, who is going to complain? tell me that. I mean. you don't care about the kids parents they don't buy games. if they did the kid would already have the game at his house. And I don't think that any gamer takes the ESRB seriously they don't even take them selfs seriously.

EDIT: wow I'm out of place here (?) I was talking about freaking game stores... no about damn home depots and electronic shops.

Parents have control over their kids; they may not buy games, but they can quite likely keep their kid from buying games. And, even in the case of a games store, parents will get severely pissed off if Johnny comes home with GTA 4, free and easy. There are articles on this very site that document that happening, and honestly, it isn't as rare as you may think. Not just helicopter parents, but a lot of responsible parents will flip the fuck out when they see their kid running over people, gunning them down, and buying whores in a game. It's a natural reaction, and what they do from there is their decision. Enough choose to complain that the stores find it better to regulate sales.

saevus is a little militant in his approach

How's that? Regulating game sales is good for business, cuts down on moral panic amongst parents who are ignorant to the issue, and it makes the industry look responsible. Sorry, but throwing that away because of a handful of high school kids who claim they're smarter and more mature than most adults is not a good idea. At all.

Man sorry to disappoint you but 80% of parents are working all day long so you play when they are not home, and you don't play when they are home. As easy as that.
And that is what it happens. And if the parent get pissed off you don't lose nothing.

Again your argument is invalid

If it was, then regulating video game sales would be damaging to sales and stores wouldn't do it. The fact that they do regulate is, in itself, proof that it's better for business.

 

[massuh]

saevus is there is a store in your same town that sells a M+ game to a minor and that kid can't get it in your store the he's going there. if you sell a kid a M+ game, who is going to complain? tell me that. I mean. you don't care about the kids parents they don't buy games. if they did the kid would already have the game at his house. And I don't think that any gamer takes the ESRB seriously they don't even take them selfs seriously.

EDIT: wow I'm out of place here (?) I was talking about freaking game stores... no about damn home depots and electronic shops.

Parents have control over their kids; they may not buy games, but they can quite likely keep their kid from buying games. And, even in the case of a games store, parents will get severely pissed off if Johnny comes home with GTA 4, free and easy. There are articles on this very site that document that happening, and honestly, it isn't as rare as you may think. Not just helicopter parents, but a lot of responsible parents will flip the fuck out when they see their kid running over people, gunning them down, and buying whores in a game. It's a natural reaction, and what they do from there is their decision. Enough choose to complain that the stores find it better to regulate sales.

saevus is a little militant in his approach

How's that? Regulating game sales is good for business, cuts down on moral panic amongst parents who are ignorant to the issue, and it makes the industry look responsible. Sorry, but throwing that away because of a handful of high school kids who claim they're smarter and more mature than most adults is not a good idea. At all.

Man sorry to disappoint you but 80% of parents are working all day long so you play when they are not home, and you don't play when they are home. As easy as that.
And that is what it happens. And if the parent get pissed off you don't lose nothing.

Again your argument is invalid

If it was, then regulating video game sales would be damaging to sales and stores wouldn't do it. The fact that they do regulate is, in itself, proof that it's better for business.

NO, wrong it is proof that religious conservative people love to sue people for stupid things
so you have to cover your ass with something like a rating system

 

[DeadlyFred]

i have a question to the sub question.

why is male nipple just fine but female nipple cuases wars

Yet another matter of simple economics: if men (largest market share for pornographic media) could get nipples on daytime TV and in any video game, porn stocks would tank. Because no one cares about male nipples, not even mother nature. They don't make milk, they serve no purpose. All a man's nipples are good for is as staging grounds for errant body hair.

 

[fluffylandmine]

another question to the op, why isn't language taken into place?

i mean really limiting fun things like virtual violence, and sexiness, is fine as long as you take in language aswell, i've played T rated games where it's about 5 minutes of yelling "OH SHIT"

if your going to be annoyed do it right

 

[Saevus]

saevus is there is a store in your same town that sells a M+ game to a minor and that kid can't get it in your store the he's going there. if you sell a kid a M+ game, who is going to complain? tell me that. I mean. you don't care about the kids parents they don't buy games. if they did the kid would already have the game at his house. And I don't think that any gamer takes the ESRB seriously they don't even take them selfs seriously.

EDIT: wow I'm out of place here (?) I was talking about freaking game stores... no about damn home depots and electronic shops.

Parents have control over their kids; they may not buy games, but they can quite likely keep their kid from buying games. And, even in the case of a games store, parents will get severely pissed off if Johnny comes home with GTA 4, free and easy. There are articles on this very site that document that happening, and honestly, it isn't as rare as you may think. Not just helicopter parents, but a lot of responsible parents will flip the fuck out when they see their kid running over people, gunning them down, and buying whores in a game. It's a natural reaction, and what they do from there is their decision. Enough choose to complain that the stores find it better to regulate sales.

saevus is a little militant in his approach

How's that? Regulating game sales is good for business, cuts down on moral panic amongst parents who are ignorant to the issue, and it makes the industry look responsible. Sorry, but throwing that away because of a handful of high school kids who claim they're smarter and more mature than most adults is not a good idea. At all.

Man sorry to disappoint you but 80% of parents are working all day long so you play when they are not home, and you don't play when they are home. As easy as that.
And that is what it happens. And if the parent get pissed off you don't lose nothing.

Again your argument is invalid

If it was, then regulating video game sales would be damaging to sales and stores wouldn't do it. The fact that they do regulate is, in itself, proof that it's better for business.

NO, wrong it is proof that religious conservative people love to sue people for stupid things
so you have to cover your ass with something like a rating system

Firstly, people haven't sued over video games offending their morals; they've attempted to sue because people close to them have done terrible things and they thus blame video games. Which hasn't succeeded.

Secondly, you have absolutely no idea how business works, do you? It is all, ALL, about optimizing profit. In some cases, that means satisfying some industrial union's demands because if you didn't, you'd have to hire crap workers who would produce crap products - thus, you bite the bullet and hand out some wage increases and holidays so that your sales don't tank. In other cases, that means losing a few sales to kids by regulating game sales so that you don't piss off entire families and get targeted as peddling bad influence.

People like Jack Thompson and other religious wingnuts are a visible, but absolutely tiny minority. Most of the time, parents just plain don't understand games nor want their kids to be able to independently acquire games like GTA 4.

Here's a good example: in my final year of high school, I took a small art class. My teacher enjoyed discussing things with her students, and one thing that came up was violent games. She has absolutely no religious affiliations, and is a pretty liberal person, and the first thing she said was 'I wouldn't want my son to be able to play something like Grand Theft Auto where you buy prostitutes and then kill them for your money back'. Why? Because she wanted to be sure her son would respect women, regardless of what they did for a living.

 

[massuh]

another question to the op, why isn't language taken into place?

i mean really limiting fun things like virtual violence, and sexiness, is fine as long as you take in language aswell, i've played T rated games where it's about 5 minutes of yelling "OH SHIT"

if your going to be annoyed do it right

maybe because cursing doesn't sell as much as violence and sex and drugs and rock & roll
or maybe because a lot of adults curse like in a traffic jam, or in situations like that so by the age of 8 you pretty much heard all the words you needed to hear to become a cursing machine spitter

 

[DeadlyFred]

another question to the op, why isn't language taken into place?

i mean really limiting fun things like virtual violence, and sexiness, is fine as long as you take in language aswell, i've played T rated games where it's about 5 minutes of yelling "OH SHIT"

if your going to be annoyed do it right

Well, in movie ratings you're more or less allowed to curse all you want with a PG-13 rating BUT, you can only drop ONE F-bomb. One more and you get carted over to R land.

 

[massuh]

saevus is there is a store in your same town that sells a M+ game to a minor and that kid can't get it in your store the he's going there. if you sell a kid a M+ game, who is going to complain? tell me that. I mean. you don't care about the kids parents they don't buy games. if they did the kid would already have the game at his house. And I don't think that any gamer takes the ESRB seriously they don't even take them selfs seriously.

EDIT: wow I'm out of place here (?) I was talking about freaking game stores... no about damn home depots and electronic shops.

Parents have control over their kids; they may not buy games, but they can quite likely keep their kid from buying games. And, even in the case of a games store, parents will get severely pissed off if Johnny comes home with GTA 4, free and easy. There are articles on this very site that document that happening, and honestly, it isn't as rare as you may think. Not just helicopter parents, but a lot of responsible parents will flip the fuck out when they see their kid running over people, gunning them down, and buying whores in a game. It's a natural reaction, and what they do from there is their decision. Enough choose to complain that the stores find it better to regulate sales.

saevus is a little militant in his approach

How's that? Regulating game sales is good for business, cuts down on moral panic amongst parents who are ignorant to the issue, and it makes the industry look responsible. Sorry, but throwing that away because of a handful of high school kids who claim they're smarter and more mature than most adults is not a good idea. At all.

Man sorry to disappoint you but 80% of parents are working all day long so you play when they are not home, and you don't play when they are home. As easy as that.
And that is what it happens. And if the parent get pissed off you don't lose nothing.

Again your argument is invalid

If it was, then regulating video game sales would be damaging to sales and stores wouldn't do it. The fact that they do regulate is, in itself, proof that it's better for business.

NO, wrong it is proof that religious conservative people love to sue people for stupid things
so you have to cover your ass with something like a rating system

Firstly, people haven't sued over video games offending their morals; they've attempted to sue because people close to them have done terrible things and they thus blame video games. Which hasn't succeeded.

Secondly, you have absolutely no idea how business works, do you? It is all, ALL, about optimizing profit. In some cases, that means satisfying some industrial union's demands because if you didn't, you'd have to hire crap workers who would produce crap products - thus, you bite the bullet and hand out some wage increases and holidays so that your sales don't tank. In other cases, that means losing a few sales to kids by regulating game sales so that you don't piss off entire families and get targeted as peddling bad influence.

People like Jack Thompson and other religious wingnuts are a visible, but absolutely tiny minority. Most of the time, parents just plain don't understand games nor want their kids to be able to independently acquire games like GTA 4.

Here's a good example: in my final year of high school, I took a small art class. My teacher enjoyed discussing things with her students, and one thing that came up was violent games. She has absolutely no religious affiliations, and is a pretty liberal person, and the first thing she said was 'I wouldn't want my son to be able to play something like Grand Theft Auto where you buy prostitutes and then kill them for your money back'. Why? Because she wanted to be sure her son would respect women, regardless of what they did for a living.

I know that the only thing that matters is to make more money. that is why I'm telling you that you are speaking non sense.
More sells = more money
A happy kid = regular customer
An angry parent = who gives a s***
And if the kid that buys the game is smart enough or at least 12 years old he can manage to don't let their parents to see what he's playing.
for ex: while you teacher was giving that lesson his son was playing gta.
and the guy who is keeping the store has to have a certain limit... I agree with you it wouldn't be nice to have an 8 year old buy gta, but if he's 16 or 14 i think he can handle it. It's not necessary to be frinking 18 but that time he is probably in some party getting wasted or something.

 

[Saevus]

saevus is there is a store in your same town that sells a M+ game to a minor and that kid can't get it in your store the he's going there. if you sell a kid a M+ game, who is going to complain? tell me that. I mean. you don't care about the kids parents they don't buy games. if they did the kid would already have the game at his house. And I don't think that any gamer takes the ESRB seriously they don't even take them selfs seriously.

EDIT: wow I'm out of place here (?) I was talking about freaking game stores... no about damn home depots and electronic shops.

Parents have control over their kids; they may not buy games, but they can quite likely keep their kid from buying games. And, even in the case of a games store, parents will get severely pissed off if Johnny comes home with GTA 4, free and easy. There are articles on this very site that document that happening, and honestly, it isn't as rare as you may think. Not just helicopter parents, but a lot of responsible parents will flip the fuck out when they see their kid running over people, gunning them down, and buying whores in a game. It's a natural reaction, and what they do from there is their decision. Enough choose to complain that the stores find it better to regulate sales.

saevus is a little militant in his approach

How's that? Regulating game sales is good for business, cuts down on moral panic amongst parents who are ignorant to the issue, and it makes the industry look responsible. Sorry, but throwing that away because of a handful of high school kids who claim they're smarter and more mature than most adults is not a good idea. At all.

Man sorry to disappoint you but 80% of parents are working all day long so you play when they are not home, and you don't play when they are home. As easy as that.
And that is what it happens. And if the parent get pissed off you don't lose nothing.

Again your argument is invalid

If it was, then regulating video game sales would be damaging to sales and stores wouldn't do it. The fact that they do regulate is, in itself, proof that it's better for business.

NO, wrong it is proof that religious conservative people love to sue people for stupid things
so you have to cover your ass with something like a rating system

Firstly, people haven't sued over video games offending their morals; they've attempted to sue because people close to them have done terrible things and they thus blame video games. Which hasn't succeeded.

Secondly, you have absolutely no idea how business works, do you? It is all, ALL, about optimizing profit. In some cases, that means satisfying some industrial union's demands because if you didn't, you'd have to hire crap workers who would produce crap products - thus, you bite the bullet and hand out some wage increases and holidays so that your sales don't tank. In other cases, that means losing a few sales to kids by regulating game sales so that you don't piss off entire families and get targeted as peddling bad influence.

People like Jack Thompson and other religious wingnuts are a visible, but absolutely tiny minority. Most of the time, parents just plain don't understand games nor want their kids to be able to independently acquire games like GTA 4.

Here's a good example: in my final year of high school, I took a small art class. My teacher enjoyed discussing things with her students, and one thing that came up was violent games. She has absolutely no religious affiliations, and is a pretty liberal person, and the first thing she said was 'I wouldn't want my son to be able to play something like Grand Theft Auto where you buy prostitutes and then kill them for your money back'. Why? Because she wanted to be sure her son would respect women, regardless of what they did for a living.

I know that the only thing that matters is to make more money. that is why I'm telling you that you are speaking non sense.
More sells = more money
A happy kid = regular customer
An angry parent = who gives a s***
And if the kid that buys the game is smart enough or at least 12 years old he can manage to don't let their parents to see what he's playing.
for ex: while you teacher was giving that lesson his son was playing gta.
and the guy who is keeping the store has to have a certain limit... I agree with you it wouldn't be nice to have an 8 year old buy gta, but if he's 16 or 14 i think he can handle it. It's not necessary to be frinking 18 but that time he is probably in some party getting wasted or something.

The fact that you said 'the only thing that matters is to make more money' and then claimed I was speaking nonsense was an outright contradiction, and made me wonder if you had even bothered to read about optimizing profit. When you said 'his son', that's when I knew for a fact that you aren't even reading nor understanding what I'm typing.

Good day, sir.

 

[DarqKiller]

Well you see, parents nowadays are lazy, hence the reason we hear them blaming the stores and companies for giving their kids GTA IV or whatever. but Personally I think its a good Idea, because it also stops everyone from getting sued. you see, no one cares about anyone elses safety any more, they just want money, hence the reason Jack thompson tells every see-through lie in the book to get Take Two's money. Also note that Im about half of the TC's age so I know how he feels, but most of the time Im able to ask my parents to come with me.

Also, to the sub question, Sex is usually considered worse than violence because most people are exposed to violence much earlier than sex, in the early ages babies may fight over whos toy is better, around the elementary school days kids tend to shove and even lightly punch each other. although I dont really see why one can negativly critisize a 12-13 year old boy for watching pornography on the internet, considering its most likely that at that age the person is going through puberty. but still, I do see your point on both topics. its nice to see some actually civilized posts once in a while.

 

[massuh]

saevus is there is a store in your same town that sells a M+ game to a minor and that kid can't get it in your store the he's going there. if you sell a kid a M+ game, who is going to complain? tell me that. I mean. you don't care about the kids parents they don't buy games. if they did the kid would already have the game at his house. And I don't think that any gamer takes the ESRB seriously they don't even take them selfs seriously.

EDIT: wow I'm out of place here (?) I was talking about freaking game stores... no about damn home depots and electronic shops.

Parents have control over their kids; they may not buy games, but they can quite likely keep their kid from buying games. And, even in the case of a games store, parents will get severely pissed off if Johnny comes home with GTA 4, free and easy. There are articles on this very site that document that happening, and honestly, it isn't as rare as you may think. Not just helicopter parents, but a lot of responsible parents will flip the fuck out when they see their kid running over people, gunning them down, and buying whores in a game. It's a natural reaction, and what they do from there is their decision. Enough choose to complain that the stores find it better to regulate sales.

saevus is a little militant in his approach

How's that? Regulating game sales is good for business, cuts down on moral panic amongst parents who are ignorant to the issue, and it makes the industry look responsible. Sorry, but throwing that away because of a handful of high school kids who claim they're smarter and more mature than most adults is not a good idea. At all.

Man sorry to disappoint you but 80% of parents are working all day long so you play when they are not home, and you don't play when they are home. As easy as that.
And that is what it happens. And if the parent get pissed off you don't lose nothing.

Again your argument is invalid

If it was, then regulating video game sales would be damaging to sales and stores wouldn't do it. The fact that they do regulate is, in itself, proof that it's better for business.

NO, wrong it is proof that religious conservative people love to sue people for stupid things
so you have to cover your ass with something like a rating system

Firstly, people haven't sued over video games offending their morals; they've attempted to sue because people close to them have done terrible things and they thus blame video games. Which hasn't succeeded.

Secondly, you have absolutely no idea how business works, do you? It is all, ALL, about optimizing profit. In some cases, that means satisfying some industrial union's demands because if you didn't, you'd have to hire crap workers who would produce crap products - thus, you bite the bullet and hand out some wage increases and holidays so that your sales don't tank. In other cases, that means losing a few sales to kids by regulating game sales so that you don't piss off entire families and get targeted as peddling bad influence.

People like Jack Thompson and other religious wingnuts are a visible, but absolutely tiny minority. Most of the time, parents just plain don't understand games nor want their kids to be able to independently acquire games like GTA 4.

Here's a good example: in my final year of high school, I took a small art class. My teacher enjoyed discussing things with her students, and one thing that came up was violent games. She has absolutely no religious affiliations, and is a pretty liberal person, and the first thing she said was 'I wouldn't want my son to be able to play something like Grand Theft Auto where you buy prostitutes and then kill them for your money back'. Why? Because she wanted to be sure her son would respect women, regardless of what they did for a living.

I know that the only thing that matters is to make more money. that is why I'm telling you that you are speaking non sense.
More sells = more money
A happy kid = regular customer
An angry parent = who gives a s***
And if the kid that buys the game is smart enough or at least 12 years old he can manage to don't let their parents to see what he's playing.
for ex: while you teacher was giving that lesson his son was playing gta.
and the guy who is keeping the store has to have a certain limit... I agree with you it wouldn't be nice to have an 8 year old buy gta, but if he's 16 or 14 i think he can handle it. It's not necessary to be frinking 18 but that time he is probably in some party getting wasted or something.

The fact that you said 'the only thing that matters is to make more money' and then claimed I was speaking nonsense was an outright contradiction, and made me wonder if you had even bothered to read about optimizing profit. When you said 'his son', that's when I knew for a fact that you aren't even reading nor understanding what I'm typing.

Good day, sir.

Yes I do. I know that she doesn't have a kid. It's a frinking hypothetical example
maybe it's because we live in opposite sites of a continent ... but over here losing a sale is getting less money.

peace out.

 

[fluffylandmine]

to everbody fighting,

Why can we be friends?

other than the obvious misunderstandings, saevus and massuh are virtually saying some of the same things

don't piss them off but if you do it's only a dent in sales but they might spread word or not at all. the argument is circumstantial and we're at an understanding that this is going into specifics but not the specific senario that is being fought upon.

now calm down have some of grandma's milk and cookies then kiss and make up.