Poll: Drugs and You.

[whitelabel2k]

Lets get one thing straight, you replied to my answer to a question so if you want to legalize drugs because not everyone becomes addicted that easy then you are definitely taking chances and a stupid one at that!

Also there are not many reasons why people start taking drugs, it is usually cause of stupidity or weakness and if you do it to often you will become addicted and it can ruin your life.

True, but couldn't giving into depression also be counted as weakness? Obviously not on the same scale as what i mentioned, but there are other ways to beat depression than pumping drugs around your system.

Of course but alot of people get convinced it's easier or actually become that desperate.

Why do you keep talk about desperation? And why do people who CHOOSE to do drugs have to be weak? You know what, I've done a lot of drugs in my life, some of which i will take again and some of which i won't. And on the whole, it was fun.

I Choose to do drugs because i enjoy them. They don't stop me from having a full life. Your posts are full of the opinion of someone who admits they've never tried drugs. Which, by the way, is untrue. There's alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, taurine and the like. Everythings drug, its our own definitions and bias that impart bad connotations.

Now the guy who started this thread came with an open mind, you on the other hand have constructed an opinion based on hearsay and propaganda. You sir, are a douche.

 

[Birdehh]

Would be great to get some more info from people with experience of hard drugs, although i should probably just let this die now

what kind of information you are looking for ? i'm not giving advice on how to use it that's for sure

Nooo nothing like that haha I'm interested in what kind of effects they have on senses, what you were seeing etc. Obviously it would be different for different people, but any experiences from people would be great What would you say were the best and worst of the things you've tried personally?

 

[Ionami]

It's not "taking chances". If a person is not genetically pre-disposed to be an addict, they WILL NOT become an addict. That's it.

Lets get one thing straight, you replied to my answer to a question so if you want to legalize drugs because not everyone becomes addicted that easy then you are definitely taking chances and a stupid one at that!

Also there are not many reasons why people start taking drugs, it is usually cause of stupidity or weakness and if you do it to often you will become addicted and it can ruin your life.

True, but couldn't giving into depression also be counted as weakness? Obviously not on the same scale as what i mentioned, but there are other ways to beat depression than pumping drugs around your system.

Of course but alot of people get convinced it's easier or actually become that desperate.

My god, what an ignorant and sheltered life you must live. You're talking to an addict about something you've never experienced, as if you know better. I just told you my reason for doing drugs, which had nothing to do with depression or nervousness.

I also never said I wanted to legalize drugs. Not once did I say anything even close to that.

I simply corrected your statement about how everyone would get addicted. You talk as if it's impossible for people to get drugs as it is right now, with them being illegal. That's obviously ridiculous, since there are drugs EVERYWHERE.

You've admitted that you don't know anything about drugs, and the reasons why people use them. You've asked for people who have, to share their reasons with you as to why they may have started. I did exactly that, and you dismissed it. You're obviously not interested in understanding why people would do drugs, so stop pretending.

 

[Ionami]

Lets get one thing straight, you replied to my answer to a question so if you want to legalize drugs because not everyone becomes addicted that easy then you are definitely taking chances and a stupid one at that!

Also there are not many reasons why people start taking drugs, it is usually cause of stupidity or weakness and if you do it to often you will become addicted and it can ruin your life.

True, but couldn't giving into depression also be counted as weakness? Obviously not on the same scale as what i mentioned, but there are other ways to beat depression than pumping drugs around your system.

Of course but alot of people get convinced it's easier or actually become that desperate.

Why do you keep talk about desperation? And why do people who CHOOSE to do drugs have to be weak? You know what, I've done a lot of drugs in my life, some of which i will take again and some of which i won't. And on the whole, it was fun.

I Choose to do drugs because i enjoy them. They don't stop me from having a full life. Your posts are full of the opinion of someone who admits they've never tried drugs. Which, by the way, is untrue. There's alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, taurine and the like. Everythings drug, its our own definitions and bias that impart bad connotations.

Now the guy who started this thread came with an open mind, you on the other hand have constructed an opinion based on hearsay and propaganda. You sir, are a douche.

Thank you! A voice of reason!

 

[Zykon TheLich]

Would be great to get some more info from people with experience of hard drugs, although i should probably just let this die now

What do you want to know?

 

[matnatz]

I've smoked weed. Gives you a sore throat, makes you think everything is funny. It's over-rated and I couldn't rn for more than the length of my street for quite a while after, even though I could run much further before.

I also just couldn't be arsed knowing the type of scum would get my money.

 

[Birdehh]

Would be great to get some more info from people with experience of hard drugs, although i should probably just let this die now

What do you want to know?

Just the effects that the harder drugs have on people, such as senses and perception of things, obviously it's different from person to person, so a few peoples input would be fantastic.

 

[whitelabel2k]

Thats why you need a friend who grows. Or thats why you grow. Anyway, what kind of "scum" are you referring to here? The kind that fulfilling a need of yours? The kind that really understands the concept of a free market?

Many years ago tobacco growers were doing the same thing, but on a bigger scale, with slaves and advertising campaigns that actively lied to the populace.

Whos the scum again?

 

[whitelabel2k]

i dont see any real reason to take drugs unless you are a hopeless addict

Ye Gods! I though forums were fpor discussion and debate! Not for blustering in, shouting an opinion with no back up whatsoever and generally being close minded.

Waaaait a minute. Sorry i forgot this was the internet.

Do you see no reason to drink unless you are a hopeless alcoholic?

 

[Birdehh]

Whitelabel, you say you've tried many drugs, and there are ones you would and wouldn't take again.. Any further specifics on what you would and wouldn't take again, and possibly reasons why? Maybe a bad trip with them or just the application of them?

 

[cathou]

Would be great to get some more info from people with experience of hard drugs, although i should probably just let this die now

what kind of information you are looking for ? i'm not giving advice on how to use it that's for sure

Nooo nothing like that haha I'm interested in what kind of effects they have on senses, what you were seeing etc. Obviously it would be different for different people, but any experiences from people would be great What would you say were the best and worst of the things you've tried personally?

i was not in hallcination type of drug (like mushroom for exemple)

i liked marijuana a lot at first.

i put a spoiler tag on this, because i will be graphical here. hard drugs are bad. i cannot say it too often. i started with marijuana and hash when i was 17, but i ended up to heroin helped by someone who didnt had moral objection to lace marijuana without telling me. I was also very depress at that point of my life.

Spoiler: warning not necessary fun to read

worst is definatively heroin. i used it for two years. was i a hopeless drug addict ? yes probably, but i dont think it,s because i'm weak... it's strong, you get addicted very easily. When you take it, you feel great, clam, and happy. All the pain you feel is like washed away (both physical and psychological pain). you litterally swim in happyness, everything is ok, everything is fine. i had often a blurry vision at the beggining of the effects. i was also very easily influenced by others when i was high. I had a lot of memory lost in those moments too. Then the effect stop gradually and you feel very depress. Your body also get used to it, so you need often a stronger dose after a while.

Each dose is potentially lethal because on the street you cannot control the purity of what you take. if you usual dealer sell you let say 10% pure shots, you take you doses for that purity if the shot you have next is a 25% pure shot, but you still dose it like it was a 10% one, you're in danger of OD.

after a while, especially if you use a seringe, your veins get harder and harder. You're often in a rush to take the dose too, and it happen that you blow up the veins while injecting the stuff. Traces of thios can still be visible years later. When your arms hurt too much, you inject it on your legs, or any other place where you can find a vein. While you're high, also you dont feel hunger anymore, and you start to eat less, you lost a lot of wieght, but your body lack of essential nutriments. Often at that state (it happened to me, but i realised it only years later) your teeth rots. it's not the drug itself that cause that (like people often believe) but rather the fact that when you are at a point where you whole life resolve around taking the drug, you dont eat properly.

When you decide to quit, it's better to see a doc (which i didnt know at that time) stopping the drug "cold turkey" cause a lot of phisical pain. kind of like if your bones were turning into liquid iron and tried to get out of your body. i was litterally banging my head on a wall until i passed out for a week, and my heart rate was very low. i know that it can happen that your heart just stop at this moment. So the correct way to do it is to replace the drug by another product (usually methadone)that keep your brain satisfied but that cause less effects, and reduce it until you can stop. it's a quite long process.

i've try coke also, but only a few time. it accelerate your whole body. on the long term, it destroy your sinus and your nose. i've seen a couple of people like that.

so again, drugs are majoritary bad

 

[BubbleGumSnareDrum]

Which should be legal and why?
- None should be legal! Everyone is weak and will get addicted, then will start to rely on it and then maybe regret it later.

Why do you choose to use or not use them?
- I don't use them and have never taken drugs before. I'm not even sure why people do it but if it's because they feel down then drugs is a bad solution.

Does your opinion of a person change if you find out they use drugs?
- A little, not much really.

You didn't even need to tell us you've never done drugs, as it was pretty obvious reading that first sentence. First of all, no, not everyone is as weak as you, and second, many illegal drugs do not even have addictive agents in them and can only be psychologically addictive in the same ways almost anything else can, including video games. Even very intense highs and trips are addiction free, speaking of weed, shrooms, acid, peyote, salvia, anything natural and not synthesized.

I smoke pot on a pretty regular basis and haven't had the extra cash to do it this week, so I've been going without it. I have no withdrawal symptoms, I am not fixing to rob anybody to pay for my "habit" as someone like you would put it, and in general I am only proving to myself that I am not a weakling and that I can do without a recreational activity that I greatly enjoy.

By the same token, legal drugs such as caffeine and nicotene are both as chemically addictive as heroin is. They do not have the same debilitating effects on the body as heroin does, but they'll hook you just as quick. Why do you think they're in so many products that so many people use every day? Coca-Cola had cocaine in it before cocaine became illegal in so many countries.

Smoke some pot, kid. You'll understand this issue a little better.

Yea I'm pretty positive it was suicide, bunch of shit happened to him(rather not say) he disappeared and found him a week later in NYC dead in a crack house.

I said it once in this thread I'll say it again: DRUGS ARE NOT THE SOLUTION TO YOUR PROBLEMS

Heroin does not equal "all drugs." Your friend was a moron in the first place for even trying heroin, and on top of that he decided he was going to OD with it? It sounds like he had quite a few problems aside from heroin.

I think most drugs are best avoided, but there's a strong case to be made that it's better for society to legalise and regulate them than ban them and drive them onto the black market, where they generate massive profits for criminal organisations and can be spiked with all kinds of shit.

I have to strongly agree here, it would be much better for everyone if they were to legalise them, atleast they would gain control over them instead of everything going through dealers. It would also make purchasing them a lot safer for the consumer, as they can just go to a shop, like with cigarettes, instead of the shady dealers.

I agree with you as well as the guy you quoted. People are so fucking brainwashed with this kneejerk reaction of "BUT ITS BAD SO IT SHUD B ILEGAL" and they don't understand the grander consequences of not just allowing, but forcing something to be traded on the black market.

Lets get one thing straight, you replied to my answer to a question so if you want to legalize drugs because not everyone becomes addicted that easy then you are definitely taking chances and a stupid one at that!

Also there are not many reasons why people start taking drugs, it is usually cause of stupidity or weakness and if you do it to often you will become addicted and it can ruin your life.

Ignorant. You are not seeing the big picture. I just posted an argument that smashed people like you in a different thread. Let me go find it.

Legalising an activity encourages it. Why would we want to encourage drug use? Drug use leads to drug abuse; discourage people from starting using drugs, and you get less drug abusers/addicts.

Wrong. Absolutely wrong.

Prohibition didn't stop anybody from drinking. It just turned people who wanted to drink into criminals and created crime related to home distilling of liquor, illegal trafficking of liquor, etc etc. exactly like the war on drugs does today. Banning something creates an inherent thrill of "rebellion" in the act of doing it. Think about all the high school kids who want to drink just because they know they legally aren't supposed to. That's a perfect example and alcohol isn't even considered a drug by most people (those people are all idiots) and is a perfectly legal substance for adults.

The laws we have against other illegal drugs obviously don't stop anybody from using them, either. You can write as many laws as you want and pour as much money into drug enforcement as you want and you will never, ever stop drug trafficking and drug use. You will only end up with hundreds of billions more in wasted tax dollars, not to mention lots of people behind bars who don't deserve to be there.

So say we legalize marijuana at the federal level. Anyone can now possess any amount of marijuana and can smoke it in or on private property. You still cannot actively smoke in public and smoking while driving is still considered DUI, but possession is no longer an issue for anyone. You don't have to worry about it, cops don't have to worry about it, everyone's lives are easier. Maybe, MAYBE the actual number of people who smoke would go up, but the biggest difference the legal change would make is simple; all of the people who were marijuana users before it was made legal are now simply not considered criminals anymore. They didn't need to be considered criminals in the first place. That would be a good thing for everyone; police would be able to focus on actually doing their jobs, IE apprehending violent criminals and thieves.

There would be no detriment to society. People would not simply drop all their responsibilities and start smoking all the time just because it has suddenly been made legal. You can apply this to any illegal drug you want. Say we make heroin legal at the federal level. Do you really think half the country is going to be shooting up the next day?

OF COURSE NOT! Get your head out of your ass. People don't choose to do or not do a drug based on whether or not it's illegal. People who do drugs do them because they enjoy them. The law is irrelevant and should not have any bearing over what I can or cannot put into my own goddamn body, for it is in fact my body and nobody else's. By the same token, why would it be my business what someone else puts into their body? I know lots of people who have done coke and heroin and ecstasy and meth and all kinds of shit like that, but that doesn't mean I'll ever do it. If they really think that's a good idea, then good for them. Let them fuck themselves over.

i dont see any real reason to take drugs unless you are a hopeless addict

That's funny, because I've heard more intelligent things out of ex-cokeheads. Why? Because they know what it was like and you don't. For that matter, neither do I and I plan to keep it that way because of things that I have only seen rather than done.

 

[Nazulu]

Why do you keep talk about desperation? And why do people who CHOOSE to do drugs have to be weak? You know what, I've done a lot of drugs in my life, some of which i will take again and some of which i won't. And on the whole, it was fun.

I Choose to do drugs because i enjoy them. They don't stop me from having a full life. Your posts are full of the opinion of someone who admits they've never tried drugs. Which, by the way, is untrue. There's alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, taurine and the like. Everythings drug, its our own definitions and bias that impart bad connotations.

Fine, you choose to do drugs because you enjoy them but I am talking about the people who don't, my uncle does it for the fun of it but not so much to an extent. You need help when your addicted you moron and you will think about it all day.

My god, what an ignorant and sheltered life you must live. You're talking to an addict about something you've never experienced, as if you know better. I just told you my reason for doing drugs, which had nothing to do with depression or nervousness.

I also never said I wanted to legalize drugs. Not once did I say anything even close to that.

I simply corrected your statement about how everyone would get addicted. You talk as if it's impossible for people to get drugs as it is right now, with them being illegal. That's obviously ridiculous, since there are drugs EVERYWHERE.

OMFG! You started out by saying "not everyone would not get addicted" when I said it is too dangerous because most likely they will however they start is irrelevant to a question should it be legalized? Then you pulled this other crap out of nowhere that had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

I didn't even ask you how you started or how people could obtain it and you start talking about this gene that I have never heard of with no proof saying some people just can't get addicted. Get a fucking clue!

 

[Straitjacketeering]

Screw things like coke and such but up with weed, I'm not addicted to it I'm in love with it.

 

[whitelabel2k]

Whitelabel, you say you've tried many drugs, and there are ones you would and wouldn't take again.. Any further specifics on what you would and wouldn't take again, and possibly reasons why? Maybe a bad trip with them or just the application of them?

Coke ill take if someone else is buying. It just has a tendency to turn ok people into dicks and dicks into epic bastards.

Mushrooms i love to bits, its like spring cleaning your head as long as you dont do it too often.

Acid is a bit much. Something you've got to be ready for and in the right mood.

Crack is Satan's dandruff. No fun at all, thought i was going to die. Great fun once i realized i wasn't.

MDMA i dont get on with, fill the people who take it with fake emotions instead of amplifying those already there as most drugs do.

There's more but im too weak and hopelessly addicted to type any longer. Woe. Oh woe is me. If only i had the strength to just ASSUME stuff is bad or good without trying it myself. What a fool I've been.

 

[whitelabel2k]

I'm a drug addict in your eyes. Yet my grammar and prose is superior.

Also, "Fine, you choose to do drugs because you enjoy them but I am talking about the people who don't, my uncle does it for the fun of it but not so much to an extent. You need help when your addicted you moron and you will think about it all day."

This 1) Doesn't make a blind bit of sense, and 2) Changes your argument from your initial post ENTIRELY.

You just don't make any sense! Are you high?

 

[BubbleGumSnareDrum]

My god, what an ignorant and sheltered life you must live. You're talking to an addict about something you've never experienced, as if you know better. I just told you my reason for doing drugs, which had nothing to do with depression or nervousness.

I also never said I wanted to legalize drugs. Not once did I say anything even close to that.

I simply corrected your statement about how everyone would get addicted. You talk as if it's impossible for people to get drugs as it is right now, with them being illegal. That's obviously ridiculous, since there are drugs EVERYWHERE.

You've admitted that you don't know anything about drugs, and the reasons why people use them. You've asked for people who have, to share their reasons with you as to why they may have started. I did exactly that, and you dismissed it. You're obviously not interested in understanding why people would do drugs, so stop pretending.

I can't wait for the shining pearl of wisdom he'll undoubtedly have for me after he reads that last post I made.

 

[Birdehh]

Would be great to get some more info from people with experience of hard drugs, although i should probably just let this die now

what kind of information you are looking for ? i'm not giving advice on how to use it that's for sure

Nooo nothing like that haha I'm interested in what kind of effects they have on senses, what you were seeing etc. Obviously it would be different for different people, but any experiences from people would be great What would you say were the best and worst of the things you've tried personally?

i was not in hallcination type of drug (like mushroom for exemple)

i liked marijuana a lot at first.

i put a spoiler tag on this, because i will be graphical here. hard drugs are bad. i cannot say it too often. i started with marijuana and hash when i was 17, but i ended up to heroin helped by someone who didnt had moral objection to lace marijuana without telling me.

Spoiler: warning not necessary fun to read

worst is definatively heroin. it's strong, you get addicted very easily. When you take it, you feel great, clam, and happy. All the pain you feel is like washed away (both physical and psychological pain). you litterally swim in happyness, everything is ok, everything is fine. i had often a blurry vision at the beggining of the effects. i was also very easily influenced by others when i was high. I had a lot of memory lost in those moments too. Then the effect stop gradually and you feel very depress. Your body also get used to it, so you need often a stronger dose after a while.

Each dose is potentially lethal because on the street you cannot control the purity of what you take. if you usual dealer sell you let say 10% pure shots, you take you doses for that purity if the shot you have next is a 25% pure shot, but you still dose it like it was a 10% one, you're in danger of OD.

after a while, especially if you use a seringe, your veins get harder and harder. You're often in a rush to take the dose too, and it happen that you blow up the veins while injecting the stuff. Traces of thios can still be visible years later. When your arms hurt too much, you inject it on your legs, or any other place where you can find a vein. While you're high, also you dont feel hunger anymore, and you start to eat less, you lost a lot of wieght, but your body lack of essential nutriments. Often at that state (it happened to me, but i realised it only years later) your teeth rots. it's not the drug itself that cause that (like people often believe) but rather the fact that when you are at a point where you whole life resolve around taking the drug, you dont eat properly.

When you decide to quit, it's better to see a doc (which i didnt know at that time) stopping the drug "cold turkey" cause a lot of phisical pain. kind of like if your bones were turning into liquid iron and tried to get out of your body. i was litterally banging my head on a wall until i passed out for a week, and my heart rate was very low. i know that it can happen that your heart just stop at this moment. So the correct way to do it is to replace the drug by another product (usually methadone)that keep your brain satisfied but that cause less effects, and reduce it until you can stop. it's a quite long process.

i've try coke also, but only a few time. it accelerate your whole body. on the long term, it destroy your sinus and your nose. i've seen a couple of people like that.

so again, drugs are majoritary bad

Thanks for sharing that, as i understand it probably wasn't very pleasant for you to write.

As i've gathered from a few replys here Heroin is probably the worst of all the drugs, if anyone has some info on hallucagenics(sp?) like mushrooms and i believe LSD? It would be great.