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Ionami

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Wouldukindly said:
Birdehh said:
Which should be legal and why?
Why do you choose to use or not use them?
Does your opinion of a person change if you find out they use drugs?
1. I should prepare to be flamed: I feel that all drugs should be legal, simply because I don't believe the government has the right to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own body. I believe that drugs can be safely used in small doses with self-control. Now I'm probably going to get screams of 'but Wouldukindly! If all drugs are legal, then more junkies dying for a fix will attack or rob people!' Being part of the Canadian drug culture, I've seen and talked to dozens of drug users who have used all kinds of substances. Guess what? For the most part, they're all completely normal, functioning people because they know their limits. I've seen very few addicts, and even then, those people are addicts usually due to some kind of emotional problem. Frankly, the one time you shouldn't do drugs is during an emotional period. You can do drugs in a mature and safe environment if you know what you're doing. It's all about responsibility, folks. You should know the factors and risks before you try anything.

I await being yelled at for my silly belief in personal freedoms :p

2. I chose to use them simply because, well, they're fun. Drugs can be a very enjoyable experience. As I said above, the drug culture is excellent as well, you can meet a lot of interesting people.

3. 'Dude, you do drugs? Let's go get bakkkkkkkkked.' I'm kidding. My opinion of the person doesn't change, as I'd be a horrible hypocrite.
You shouldn't be flamed.

You're absolutely right. Drugs aren't so much the problem. It's the fact that NO ONE is really told anything about them.

Addiction is not shown enough, people are misinformed, and don't really understand how it works, what it does to people, and just exactly which drugs are doing what to their bodies and minds.

However, at the same time... there ARE drugs out there, that WILL damage a person, no matter what amount/regularity they use them. Again, making helpful information more available to people would definitely help with this.

Here's an example:

To treat heroin addicts, currently one of the most common methods is to place them on methadone. While this method is affective at taking the person off of heroin, they will remain on methadone permanently.

Using a scale, 10 being the hardest,worst drug, and 0 being basically harmless, it's like taking a person off of a 10 to place them on a 6 for the rest of their life.

Hardly a great thing. Most of your average people, aren't aware of this. They also aren't aware of the fact that alcohol is the ONLY substance that has a potentially fatal withdrawal! Alcohol! (Note that I said withdrawal, not overdose.)

So, my point being, making this information more available and widespread amongst the public, would enable the government to ensure safer, cleaner supplies of drugs to informed adults who are able to make a decision on their own, about whether they want to use substances. It would also rake in a lot of cash for the government.
 

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I used to hate drugs and the people who use them. But I know so many people who use weed, cocaine, speed and xtc on a regular basis that I dont care anymore. I have no desire whatsoever to use any and im happy with it.
 

Birdehh

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Wouldukindly said:
Birdehh said:
As i've said to a few that answered my questions before, would your outlook on drugs change if a loved one was involved with them and they passed away as a result?
Mean my cousin who OD on Heroin? Idiot (not you, him). I don't blame drugs for people's mistakes.
Sorry to hear that. I find myself constantly changing opinions on drugs based on other peoples storys, since i have no firsthand experience it's hard for me to make a solid decision, for example i get told that some drugs are harmless, then i hear storys like what you have said here. It depends on the person and their responsabilities and ofcourse their reaction to the substances, but it all doesn't seem worth it, although highly hipocritical coming from someone who drinks alcohol quite regularly, which is probably down to the fact that it is legal, which leads people to believe that it's safe.
 

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Birdehh said:
This was inspired by a chat with my parents this morning, believe it or not. We had a discussion about drugs and reasons for and against them, personally i'm not a drugs person, I find that I do too much sports to allow it into my system. I hear a lot about 'weed' being completely safe, which is a reason why it is so common, but I was thinking more along the lines of the stronger drugs. Since it's not one of my strong points I was wondering if our lovely escapists had some info and opinions, maybe some firsthand experience?

Which should be legal and why?
Why do you choose to use or not use them?
Does your opinion of a person change if you find out they use drugs?
Coke is the best time you will ever have in your life. Bare none.

As long as you have the will power, that is. That shit can destroy you. But if your mind is stonger then your body, like me, then once every 6 months is just fantastic.
 

Ionami

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Ghostwise said:
Marijuana is less addictive than Tobacco and Alcohol. Marijuana addiction is all in your head. You can smoke it for 30 days straight and stop cold turkey with no adverse side effects. I should know, I've done it many a times! :) Tobacco and alcohol....not so much.
Sorry, wrong.

Marijuana is less addictive than alcohol and tobacco to YOU. This is not the same for other people. A LOT of people have just as hard a time quitting weed as they do cigarettes, cocaine, heroine, etc.

Marijuana is ABSOLUTELY addictive, to certain people.
 

Johannes XVII

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Shrooms as you al might know have recently been outlawed in the Netherlands. (you didn't? well now you know) Why? because there was a little media hype about how tourists own err kill themselves while on mushrooms (nvm that they often were under influence of a dozen other substances and that it hasn't even been confirmed but let's put it out anyway...ahhh the easygoing modern liberal media) The advisory board under the minister of public health advised against it and so did almost every other capable, reasonable and rational person. But hey we got tourists dying! so no game, no in between solution just shut it down. So it happenend, it wasn't a disaster or anything just a small step backwards in the direction of the dark ages with the isolation of the individual
 

Booze Zombie

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Drugs are awesome, you've just gotta be educated about them. This "they're the devil, don't do them" approach only means that people doing drugs don't know anything about them until they've taken them.

Too late to realise what a fatal O.D is when you've taken it...
 

TheMatt

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Ionami said:
Ghostwise said:
Marijuana is less addictive than Tobacco and Alcohol. Marijuana addiction is all in your head. You can smoke it for 30 days straight and stop cold turkey with no adverse side effects. I should know, I've done it many a times! :) Tobacco and alcohol....not so much.
Sorry, wrong.

Marijuana is less addictive than alcohol and tobacco to YOU. This is not the same for other people. A LOT of people have just as hard a time quitting weed as they do cigarettes, cocaine, heroine, etc.

Marijuana is ABSOLUTELY addictive, to certain people.
Sadly I agree with this guy. I've only manged to quit once, for 4 months, then jumped right back on the band wagon. and no physical effects my ass. you feel shitty, angry, frustrated. the only thing that 'll take that away is rolling a blunt and powning nubs at Halo 3...
 

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Good, go find some empirical evidence to disprove yourself.

Also, you called everyone who DOES do drugs weak.

Again, are you HIGH MAN?
Then you must have this addiction gene crap otherwise you would be fucked and I just found a shit load of websites showing how people can get treatment when they show all signs of addiction to pot. Disproved you *****!

I wasn't even talking about pot to begin with but whatever, I learned something new.[/quote]

*****? Hah. Man i love you, you have made my day at work fun.

What exactly have you disproved? Again you have forgotten your original point and the the thoroughly deserved reaming you got after.

In Your initial post you stated that anyone doing any drugs was weak.

I then stated that you are an idiot.

Then, we all had a party with punch and pie whilst you fretted to yourself adrift in a sea of ignorance.

MMMM. Punch and pie.
 

Booze Zombie

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TheMatt said:
Sadly I agree with this guy. I've only manged to quit once, for 4 months, then jumped right back on the band wagon. and no physical effects my ass. you feel shitty, angry, frustrated. the only thing that 'll take that away is rolling a blunt and powning nubs at Halo 3...
That's a psychological addiction, it's not chemical. It's like if you buy a paper every day and you can't for one day, you feel all out of joint (heh, heh... joint).
 

fenrizz

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Which should be legal and why?

I think Weed, mushrooms and other soft drugs should be legal and regulated.
The dutch model seems to working quite good.


Why do you choose to use or not use them?

I smoke weed from time to time because I enjoy it, I like the effect. On rare occasions I might even eat (or make tea) a few mushrooms.
That is my limit though. I got 3 friends in rehab at the moment, and I do not want to go down that road.


Does your opinion of a person change if you find out they use drugs?

It depends to be honest, if the person can act responsibly and only do it occasionaly, I have no problem with it.
On the other hand, if the person is careless and is ruining his life and messing up thins for the people around them, I do have a problem with it.
 

BubbleGumSnareDrum

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Birdehh said:
The poll looks to have split the pack straight down the middle really, a slight difference shows a dislike infront, but it's definatly a subject with a lot of opinion.. Still looking for anyones experiences with something not yes discussed, mushrooms or LSD for example, quite keen to hear the effects on those :)
Mushrooms are pretty safe and are quite fun. The length of the trip varies depending on the amount you take, of course. Honestly it's impossible to adequately describe a psychedelic experience to someone who has never tried it, but I'll do my best. Just know that the only way to really know what this is like is to try it. It isn't just a fun high, the experience is guaranteed to change the way you think and perceive everything.

The majority of a mushroom's weight in it's natural state is water; 98% to be exact, and the chemicals that cause the trip (psilocybin and psilocin) only need to be ingested in very small trace amounts. If you tried to eat an undried mushroom you would have quite a lot of difficult, so all that water weight is dried out and all you end up eating is the fungus material and the small amount of psychedelic chemicals contained within it.

Generally mushrooms are only munched in doses of a couple dried grams. A good starting dose is half an eighth of an ounce, more commonly referred to as a "half-eighth," or in straight numerical terms, in the neighborhood of 1.75 grams. This dose will have the trip up for anywhere from four to six hours, maybe more if the mushrooms you have are particularly potent. I have "boomed" four times, beginning with doses of a half-eighth the first two times, a dose of around 2.3g the third time, and a full eighth (3.5g) the fourth time. That fourth trip lasted around 9 hours and the third one was probably 6 or 7 hours.

The taste of any species of hallucinogenic mushrooms will assuredly be pretty foul, so a good option is to break up your dose and sprinkle it on the inside of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I used chunky peanut butter last time and I couldn't tell whether I was chewing caps or peanuts. Anything sweet or strong will mask the taste pretty well. The first couple of times I just choked down my dose with a can of pop, and while it was pretty unpleasant, it's certainly doable.

About 45 minutes to an hour after eating it, the mushrooms will have begun to be digested and the psychedelic chemicals will have entered your blood and brain. This is where things get interesting. At first you'll just feel very stoned, like you just smoked a few grams of buds all to yourself. You won't really want to move for a little while, but after about half an hour of that you will really begin to come up. I can only describe it as being able to feel the energy in my own body, surges of it, and suddenly you can't sit still anymore. You have to go do something physical.

By this point you should be fully aware that you have come up on the boomers. You'll be experiencing many sensory effects as well. The sense of touch is greatly amplied, perception of temperature becomes a bit numbed; it's a little warm or a little cold out you won't notice it very much. Vision and aural senses are the best, though. Your perception of light and dark will change, and you will see a very stark contrast between the two. Moving light sources will create trails and blurs called tracers, and these are very beautiful. In fact, it becomes very easy to see the beauty in everything. Inanimate objects and plants/trees will move, expand/contract very subtly as if they are breathing. The night sky becomes mesmerizing, tree branches will begin to wave even if there is no breeze outside, everything feels as if it has an aura to it and you can almost feel the life in everything. Many people see fractal patterns in places where they would not normally be obvious; on the pavement, on a wall, in the grass, in the sky, in a friend's eyes. Existing emotions become amplified to a very powerful degree; something that would normally only mildly please you will make you ecstatic, and something that would normally only bother you a little could make you cry. Violent emotions are almost out of the question unless somebody starts to freak out, but for that reason one should only trip with a close friend, someone they really trust.

In general, your mind is going to be on overdrive and completely open the entire time. You will not be able to stop thinking, which is why it isn't advisable to trip alone. You could literally get lost in your own brain, because you have suddenly accessed and rearranged the deepest parts of it that we don't normally use. Think of it as like defragmenting your hard drive.

As the energy subsides and you no longer feel like walking around, you'll probably want to head back to some sort of shelter, preferably one with an internet connection; once all that energy and urge to go run around is out of your system it's best to just go listen to some music, look at or create some artwork, watch a movie, even just have a conversation with whoever you are sharing this experience with. You will share things you never shared before. You will talk about everything. You will come away from the trip with a better understanding of that person as a human being. Visuals will continue for several hours even after the initial huge burst of energy has subsided, and you will still be quite energetic and headstrong regardless. The best thing to do during these last few hours of the trip is to just relax and ponder. As you come down you'll probably begin to feel kind of tired, and if you've been smoking weed over the course of the trip like I usually do you'll begin to feel the remaining effects of that a bit more.

I shouldn't have to mention that operating a motor vehicle while tripping is completely out of the question; if you have to or want to go somewhere, get a willing sober person you trust to help you out.

Mushrooms are not for everyone, but it is my belief that anyone who loves music and artwork, anyone who considers themselves a free thinker or an intellectual should try them at least once in a safe environment.
 

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Birdehh said:
This was inspired by a chat with my parents this morning, believe it or not. We had a discussion about drugs and reasons for and against them, personally i'm not a drugs person, I find that I do too much sports to allow it into my system. I hear a lot about 'weed' being completely safe, which is a reason why it is so common, but I was thinking more along the lines of the stronger drugs. Since it's not one of my strong points I was wondering if our lovely escapists had some info and opinions, maybe some firsthand experience?

Which should be legal and why?
Why do you choose to use or not use them?
Does your opinion of a person change if you find out they use drugs?
to balance out this poll, you should have said "I think it's an individuals choice, but don't like or hate them."

As it stands, on the usage of drugs? I don't care one way or the other. I've partaken. It's my body, and I feel it should be my choice.

Do I feel crimes perpetrated under the influence should be punished? Yes. That's one of the many risks you take when you decide to, say drive after you just stuck a needle in your arm.
 

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TheMatt said:
As long as you have the will power, that is. That shit can destroy you. But if your mind is stonger then your body, like me, then once every 6 months is just fantastic.
Bullshit. You know how many times I've heard an idiot friend of mine go "...and the best part is, I'm not hooked!"?
 

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Birdehh said:
I find myself constantly changing opinions on drugs based on other peoples storys, since i have no firsthand experience it's hard for me to make a solid decision, for example i get told that some drugs are harmless, then i hear storys like what you have said here. It depends on the person and their responsabilities and ofcourse their reaction to the substances, but it all doesn't seem worth it, although highly hipocritical coming from someone who drinks alcohol quite regularly, which is probably down to the fact that it is legal, which leads people to believe that it's safe.
Really dude, listening to any amount of anecdotal evidence on a gaming website or anywhere else is bullshit.

It all has an inherent danger involved, some people will fuck up, some people won't. You have no way of knowing which you will be, the only way is to try, is it worth the risk for you? You seem to be edging towards no, which is probably the most sensible decision.
 

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Ionami said:
Here's an example:

To treat heroin addicts, currently one of the most common methods is to place them on methadone. While this method is affective at taking the person off of heroin, they will remain on methadone permanently.

Using a scale, 10 being the hardest,worst drug, and 0 being basically harmless, it's like taking a person off of a 10 to place them on a 6 for the rest of their life.

Hardly a great thing. Most of your average people, aren't aware of this. They also aren't aware of the fact that alcohol is the ONLY substance that has a potentially fatal withdrawal! Alcohol! (Note that I said withdrawal, not overdose.)

So, my point being, making this information more available and widespread amongst the public, would enable the government to ensure safer, cleaner supplies of drugs to informed adults who are able to make a decision on their own, about whether they want to use substances. It would also rake in a lot of cash for the government.
heroin can be fatal as well. it's not that common, i give you that, but if you're in bad shape, it have been seen that it cause respiratory or heart failure. and often when you take heroin, you are not in good shape after a while

it's also less painfull and probably dangerous for you health to stop methadone than heroin. It's not perfect, but it's better than stay on heroin.