Poll: Drugs and You.

[johnman]

I have smoked weed on a number or occasions, and have a "meh" approach to it. I have been offered harder drug but turned them down straight away.

 

[Evilbunny]

Which should be legal and why?

None should be legal! Everyone is weak and will get addicted, then will start to rely on it and then maybe regret it later.

Not true. Not everyone would get addicted. Only those who actually have the active addiction gene.

Oh sure, lets take chances. lol

That's like not letting a grown man have a steak because a baby can't chew it. It's unfair to tell the entire population that they can't have something because somebody might use it irresponsibly. Are you also against World of Warcraft? That game has ruined lives and even killed a few people, but surely you don't think it should be illegal to play, do you?

 

[Ionami]

To treat heroin addicts, currently one of the most common methods is to place them on methadone. While this method is affective at taking the person off of heroin, they will remain on methadone permanently.

Using a scale, 10 being the hardest,worst drug, and 0 being basically harmless, it's like taking a person off of a 10 to place them on a 6 for the rest of their life.
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it's also less painfull and probably dangerous for you health to stop methadone than heroin. It's not perfect, but it's better than stay on heroin.

Hmmm...yes, dunno where he got this "on methadone permanently" business.

Subutex is easier still, perhaps too easy, and if you live in the UK and you don't respond to subutex or methadone they sometimes give you heroin anyway.

People who are put on methadone to assist with quitting heroin, often never come off of it.

some will never quit methadone true, some also will replunge into heroin, but i dont think it's the majority. beside like i said, it's better for them to stay hook on methadone rather than heroin.

whatever these people will do, quit, stay on heroin, or methadone, they will be fucked up for all their life. each time i must have a pain killer for something, i have to be very carefull because most of those contain opioid, which my body will remember that it use to love it, and each time i see a doc i have to explain why i cannot take the medicine he want me to take.

Unfortunately, it IS the majority. That's my point, that's why we need a better method for treating heroin addicts in particular.

The only other completely safe way to get someone off of heroin, is check them into detox/rehab, and have them go through withdrawal for 4-5 days, and then take them to groups, and then eventually a sober living environment. Putting them on methadone is obviously better than heroin... but they wouldn't put people on something that's WORSE than heroin, anyways. So, kind of a moot point.

 

[SlaughterRot]

There's one glaring flaw with the word "drugs". It has become such an ill-defined umbrella term that it's really impossible to declare one way or another. I, personally, have to take three doses (prescription) Methylphenidate [Ritalin's generic]. It's basically legalized speed. It's not taken for any form of ADD/ADHD, but rather to keep me awake during the day as otherwise I'm constantly fatigued.

If healthcare were better in this damn country (U.S.), I'd have an easier time saying drugs should be illegal, but you know what? If I somehow wasn't able to afford the stuff, I'd probably just start going to a reliable dealer with a clean product, hate to say it. If you know how much you need to take for legit reasons, I have a hard time saying it's a bad thing.***

However, people who abuse various substances (like my former roommate/best friend who was high for 46 days straight) are just fucking retarded.

***Let it be noted I'm aware that this is a weak argument, but there are some things to consider here. I know a fair number of people who self-medicate in this fashion rather successfully.

 

[Ignignoct]

This was inspired by a chat with my parents this morning, believe it or not. We had a discussion about drugs and reasons for and against them, personally i'm not a drugs person, I find that I do too much sports to allow it into my system. I hear a lot about 'weed' being completely safe, which is a reason why it is so common, but I was thinking more along the lines of the stronger drugs. Since it's not one of my strong points I was wondering if our lovely escapists had some info and opinions, maybe some firsthand experience?

Which should be legal and why?
Why do you choose to use or not use them?
Does your opinion of a person change if you find out they use drugs?

No doubt it's been said somewhere in the thread already, but you should really specify.

Someone might like Comedies and Drama movies, but not slasher flicks, ya heard dawg?

 

[AdmiralWolverineLightningbolt]

people are so lazy, getting over addictions arent that hard

anyway, pot (obviously) should be legal
e should be lowered to class b
lsd should be available under supervision from a licensed doctor
coke should be legal maybe, it actually makes your skin younger and there's such a huge illegal black market trade going on with it that it would stop a lot of organised crime

meth, im indifferent to since i dont know enough about its high or its side effects

 

[Zykon TheLich]

People who go on methadone to assist in quitting heroin, often never come off of it.

Yes, it's just the way you worded it it sounded like you were saying no one comes off methadone, I guess I misunderstood you.

 

[cathou]

Unfortunately, it IS the majority. That's my point, that's why we need a better method for treating heroin addicts in particular.

The only other completely safe way to get someone off of heroin, is check them into detox/rehab, and have them go through withdrawal for 4-5 days, and then take them to groups, and then eventually a sober living environment. Putting them on methadone is obviously better than heroin... but they wouldn't put people on something that's WORSE than heroin, anyways. So, kind of a moot point.

Honestly i didnt went through the methadone process, so i cannot tell you first hand how you feel under methadone. but i know the withdrawal effet is very painfull for heroin. so i guess the detox/rehab center must monitor people in there very carefully and require a lot of work and money, money that heroin users dont always have. i think that,s why we still use the methadone, it's knid of an easy way out. you reomve some of the side effect of the drugs, you reduce some of the dangerous factors, but you dont invest too much money and time on every body who want to quit but that cannot go through the withdrawal by themselves.

 

[Ionami]

Damn straight it's comical. True too. Boohoo for you.

It's absolutely not true. And boohoo for me? How exactly? I learned a hell of a lot about life from my experiences, and I'm better for it. You're stuck in your ignorant bubble.

Not trying to be a dick but if Marijuana almost ruined your life you had more issues than the weed my friend.

I didn't say it ruined my life. Or almost ruined my life. I fucked a lot of friends over, stealing money and stuff from them to pay for pot. Did it to some family too.

I quit pot 3 years ago, graduated college, have a great job, paid back friends and family, and like I said, learned a lot. Pot was the only drug I did, and it made me into a different person.

I had plenty of people I hung out with, who did the same kind of shit I did, except to their families and friends. You can say it isn't addictive all you want. (I'm not sure WHY you're so adamant about proving me wrong... it doesn't change what happened to me or the people I know, and it doesn't change YOUR personal experience with it.) The fact is, it IS addictive to some people.

 

[Ionami]

Unfortunately, it IS the majority. That's my point, that's why we need a better method for treating heroin addicts in particular.

The only other completely safe way to get someone off of heroin, is check them into detox/rehab, and have them go through withdrawal for 4-5 days, and then take them to groups, and then eventually a sober living environment. Putting them on methadone is obviously better than heroin... but they wouldn't put people on something that's WORSE than heroin, anyways. So, kind of a moot point.

Honestly i didnt went through the methadone process, so i cannot tell you first hand how you feel under methadone. but i know the withdrawal effet is very painfull for heroin. so i guess the detox/rehab center must monitor people in there very carefully and require a lot of work and money, money that heroin users dont always have. i think that,s why we still use the methadone, it's knid of an easy way out. you reomve some of the side effect of the drugs, you reduce some of the dangerous factors, but you dont invest too much money and time on every body who want to quit but that cannot go through the withdrawal by themselves.

Of course they have to keep a careful watch over folks who are in detox/rehab. For ANY drug, not just heroin. That's what those clinics and facilities exist for! To help keep people safe and alive during the detox and rehab. While it may be the "easy way out" to put people on methadone... you're not helping to solve the problem, you're simply postponing finding a solution... which in the long run, helps no one.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

Honestly i didnt went through the methadone process, so i cannot tell you first hand how you feel under methadone. but i know the withdrawal effet is very painfull for heroin. so i guess the detox/rehab center must monitor people in there very carefully and require a lot of work and money, money that heroin users dont always have. i think that,s why we still use the methadone, it's knid of an easy way out. you reomve some of the side effect of the drugs, you reduce some of the dangerous factors, but you dont invest too much money and time on every body who want to quit but that cannot go through the withdrawal by themselves.

I was under the impression buprenorphine was the most commonly used substitute (or at least the one the authorities are pushing) in N.Am? It's virtually painless. The problem is not wanting to quit, you have to 'quit wanting' and that's even harder to do, it's not something that you can force as I'm sure you know.

 

[cathou]

Honestly i didnt went through the methadone process, so i cannot tell you first hand how you feel under methadone. but i know the withdrawal effet is very painfull for heroin. so i guess the detox/rehab center must monitor people in there very carefully and require a lot of work and money, money that heroin users dont always have. i think that,s why we still use the methadone, it's knid of an easy way out. you reomve some of the side effect of the drugs, you reduce some of the dangerous factors, but you dont invest too much money and time on every body who want to quit but that cannot go through the withdrawal by themselves.

I was under the impression buprenorphine was the most commonly used substitute (or at least the one the authorities are pushing) in N.Am? It's virtually painless. The problem is not wanting to quit, you have to 'quit wanting' and that's even harder to do, it's not something that you can force as I'm sure you know.

well, as i said, i'm not an expert in that because first i quit almost 10 years ago, and second because i didnt go with any alternative to heroin, i just stopped.

it destroy your mind as well as destroying your body, so at some point even if you want to quit, you just dont do it because the depressing state that you first go throught when the drug withdraw make it really difficult to quit. In my case, i was at a point where i was doing drug to forgot why i was doing drugs in the first place. just thinking to live without it was hard to me, so quitting was very hard.

and you're right, you cannot force somebody to quit. even if you lock that person into a room for a month, the psychological dependence goes way beyong the only physical dependence. and you need to fight it yourself, no physical treatment will work if your mind is not ready

 

[RagnorakTres]

I understand that there are irresponsible members of my age group who use every drug known to man, and this is why there should be government control: you take a test to see if you are semi-responsible and then you get a card or something that says " has passed the ARDUE (Approved Recreational Drug Use Exam) and is allowed to carry: x grams of marijuana, y grams of nicotene, z grams of blah, blah, blah."

Well constructed post, but on the bit in bold, it would become quite a big hastle for the government to create and issue serparate cards for everyone, not to mention they would have to be renewed every few months to check that people aren't going over the limit and being irresponsible after getting a card.

Thanks for the compliment. I took some time out of class to actually think about what I was saying rather than just dashing something off so the teacher doesn't see. I think my teacher actually read what I was typing as I was typing it...

As for the card bit, I don't think it would be any more hassle than the driver's license system, and they could charge to take the test, just like they do with the driver's test.

Also, here's the pic I was talking about:
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[AndyFromMonday]

"Weed" isn't THAT dangerous, if not dangerious at all. But anything else...BAN!

 

[Cid Silverwing]

Drugs are bad m'kay?


I've never used them and don't intend to do so, I hate what they do to people.

This. [/thread]

 

[ryai458]

I've done most of the harder and I don't suggest any of them. If you truly want to do it, I say go for it. If you don't want to, don't.

Which should be legal and why?
-All of them, people are smart enough to make decisions on their own
Why do you choose to use or not use them?
-I choose to use them because I enjoy the effects, why would I stop myself from enjoying something?
Does your opinion of a person change if you find out they use ?
-No, not really. It does make it a little easier to talk to people if I find out they do but that's probably because of common ground.

Would your opinion of change if you were to lose someone close to you as a result of them?

would your oponion of streets change if someone got hit by a car would your opinion of hearts change if someone had a heart attack?
no of course not
should be legal yes but strictly regulated
i have used (prescription) just to try it out and have fun i stopped after a month because i did it and was done
does my opinion change because of someone using yes but more in a postive way because you know that person is more open to things and probably more trustworthy

 

[CymTyr]

I voted "They're great" because you didn't specify if you were talking of illegal drugs or all drugs

Seriously though, I think drugs in the US should be decriminalized and in some cases made legal. And regarding prescription drugs, I have to take a prescription drug daily for a health concern so some of them are very helpful - IF you don't get the side effects.

 

[Swordsponge]

This was inspired by a chat with my parents this morning, believe it or not. We had a discussion about drugs and reasons for and against them, personally i'm not a drugs person, I find that I do too much sports to allow it into my system. I hear a lot about 'weed' being completely safe, which is a reason why it is so common, but I was thinking more along the lines of the stronger drugs. Since it's not one of my strong points I was wondering if our lovely escapists had some info and opinions, maybe some firsthand experience?

Which should be legal and why?
Why do you choose to use or not use them?
Does your opinion of a person change if you find out they use drugs?

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To give you a little background i been in the navy for the past 10 years and dont use drugs becouse of it.

When i was like 7 years old i found my first pot plant growing in the field out back getting contact high from my neighbors time i was 11 i smoked my first joint time i was 13 i was a hard core stoner burning every day time i was 22 right before i joined the navy i had used pretty much every drug except shooting up which is the top or the very bottum of the ladder for a druggy.
nobody made me stop using it was my choice i decided to stop and that is that.

I think that the question to legase the pot should be left up to a national vote. i do not want one person to say make pot legal. i want the nation to vote on the question thats all i would ask for.

as for coke,crack,meth,X, you better off living without this shit it destroys lives i seen the true horrors of people falling on the rocky roads. the best result for a girl is pregent with a addict by her side/worst result sitting on a corner working a new man every night. these drugs make whores out of good girls every day and real pretty girls seem to love using them.

acid/mushrooms/catus, be carful you might loose you mind fun factor is very high risk factor is also insanely high.

most dont have what it takes to walk away and if you think there is help your really full of shit nobody can help you if you dont really want to change.

stay smart and healthy all a man really needs is a hot women and they are found in the gym.

 

[DamienHell]

Weed should be legal, there's no good reason not to.

I haven't used drugs but I see myself smoking weed later in life.

Everyone I know uses drugs, hasn't changed anything.