Poll: Duke Nukem - Why?

[TheRealCJ]

did everyone forget serious sams due out this year
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/02/28/serious-sam-3-announced/
http://fourplayercoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Serious_Sam_05.jpg

which WILL be a better game than duke. Seriously anybody who buys duke just doesn't check release schedules.

Or can afford more than one game at a time. Or doesn't have the compulsive urge to play games in order of release.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

No I'm a woman, I really don't think they made it for me...best if I just leave you guys to have fun huh.

 

[Mordwyl]

Games should entertain. That is their primary reason to exist.

Just looking at Duke is amusing.

 

[Helios_(DEL)]

Well ill wait for it to get cheap and buy it, it will just be a silly serious sam like game.

 

[Smooth Operator]

In order for a medium to grow all comedy must die? Really, that is what you're saying?

All I can add is get a grip, just because you don't like comedy doesn't mean the entire world should be up in arms to ban it.

 

[Imbechile]

My biggest problem with this game is that it undoes everything that the games industry, those hard working individuals and teams behind some truly amazing work. Games like the Uncharted series, Heavy Rain (I know not fantastic gameplay, but stay with me here) and Mass Effect. Games that moved away from just being "childrens toys". Developers that thought outside the box, giving the player something that can enrich their experience.

I'm sorry but What are you saying? That games back the were just children's toys. So a game like System Shock 1 was just a mindless game for children. Games, over the years, haven't become much more sophisticated, they just became prettier, which gives the illusion of sophistication. Back when Duke 3D was released, you had quite a lot of games that "enriched your experience", maybe even moreso than now. The Shooter genre, on the other hand, hasn't evolved very good. It became pretentious. And, ironically, Duke Nukem forever IS actually a game that thinks outside the box because of the state of the shooted genre at the moment. People want it because IT IS diffrent from today's shooters.

 

[magicaxis]

They've been working on it for so long, it'd be a damn shame not to release it. 12 years is a damn long time, so much that it's riding on nostaliga. It should be fun, but dont expect quality from any sequels made.

 

[Vibhor]

No it doesn't. The end.

Obviously that response required a great deal of thought.

OT: it's going to flop by the looks of things. My guess is a moderate retail boom week of release, scathing to mediocre reviews from the critics, and a high likelihood of being a failure that is forgotten in a year once the transparent jokes give way to seemingly hollow gameplay - for what is this game if not an over-the-top, clique ridden joke?

I laugh at it, not with it. An irony no doubt missed.

No it will not.
Many people have preordered the game already, it would get a minimum 8 from every critic and would actually entertain the run and gun type shooter crowd.
And seriously, did you even think before saying "Hollow gameplay"?
It has vehicle section, weird and entertaining weapons, plenty of enemy variety and over the top setting. If duke nukem sets the industry back then the industry should have been in stone age because of games like call of duty.

 

[FallenMessiah88]

You seem to have missed the point somewhat. First of all, just because one "childrens toy" comes out, amidst all the other ultra serious military shooters or thought proviking RPG's, that doesn't mean that its going to undo everything that the industry has achieved since the mid nineties. Second of all, games should NOT try to be like movies. At least not to the point that some companies seem to take it. Games are an entirely independant medium and therefore they will have to evolve on thier own terms and in their own pace.
Besides, variety is the spice of life. I mean, why does everything these days have to be so dark and serious? Yes, i like Call of Duty, Mass Effect and I will admit that Heavy Rain really was a unique and interesting experience. If anything its proof that these sorts of things CAN work. And yes, all these games were indeed fun.
But at the same time, i also want to just be able to sit down and laugh and have fun in a retarded, comical and over the top way. And thats what DNF is for me. To me it seems like we've gotten lost in all of this "realistic shooter" business. It seems that people just can't grasp the fact a shooter can be realeased in 2011, without it having to have a deep intricate plot or some sort of social satirical message. But why? What harm can a little variety do? Unless of course the game becomes such a massive seller, so that before we know it were drowning in Duke clones. And yeah that would suck and would be no better than the state we are in now. But i seriously doubt that's gonna happen. The industry is not just all of a sudden going to abandon years of innovation just for a little cash, but then again, maybe im just being overtly optimistic here...
Anyway, i will definetly play Duke Nukem Forever. Yes, alot of it has to do with nostalgia and the need to see how the Duke holds up in this day and age. But first and foremost I just want to have a good time and be entertained. If the game can deliver on this front, then that all Im asking for.

 

[MurderousToaster]

Because it's fun, that's why.

The pretentious jackass fuckwits that will inevitably complain that "IT'S NOT ART! OH, ALL THE GAMES INDUSTRY'S WORK TOWARDS BEING ACCEPTED AS AN ART FORM IS GOING DOWN THE DRAIN! WOE IS ME!" should really go fall off a bridge somewhere.

I want a game that focuses on actually being fucking enjoyable and fun, and I'm not alone. I want a game where the goddamn focus is exploding peoples' heads in various ways and causing explosions while listening to the man with the manliest fucking voice on Earth spit out one-liners amidst the carnage. Why? Because you need that sometimes. I don't want every game to be a Heavy Rain barely-game-at-all interactive movie.

I don't understand why people seem to think that for the games industry to be accepted as art every game needs to have an awe-inspiring storyline with believable characters and a mature, serious plot. Films are accepted as art, and not every film needs to be Citizen Kane.

Compare games like Duke to a dumb action movie. It's not mature, it's only "art" in the loosest sense of the word and it's not going to win any awards for penning a story filled with intrigue and mystery. All it does is let you blow seven different kinds of fuck out of everything else you see, and it's fun.

The games industry has been moving away from this. Even action games like FPSes have been focusing on providing a serious story experience. Almost every single game bar things from the indie sector (which can still be pretentious as hell - I'm looking at you, Braid) is trying to provide a super-serious and engaging narrative. Yeah, we need that in our games. But we don't need it in every fucking game, and that's what some people need to realise.

I will buy Duke Nukem Forever. Why will I buy Duke Nukem Forever? Because I want a game that's stupid, immature and a metric shitload of fun, and Duke Nukem is just the license to do that - even if it is a license that's just spend an extended vacation doing jack shit for the past 15 years.

 

[Daniel Janhagen]

Games like the Uncharted series, Heavy Rain (I know not fantastic gameplay, but stay with me here) and Mass Effect. Games that moved away from just being "childrens toys". Developers that thought outside the box, giving the player something that can enrich their experience.
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I suppose 2K didnt help themselves out when they decided to release this the same year as Mortal Kombat. Now if you look at how far the industry has come as a whole and then how far back into immaturity we've gone this year...yeah...not good is it?

Neither Uncharted, Heavy Rain nor Mass Effect is really the same genre (although Uncharted and Mass Effect are at least shooter games), so I'll actually bring up the fps genre instead, first. It's become so boring, lately. Chest high walls, miniscule maps, no colours whatsoever, some games are even guilty of all three.
When I play an fps (or any action game, really), I don't want to hide behind stuff, periodically popping up and taking a single shot or burst. I want action! Duke Nukem seems to give us that (it certainly did back in the day), along with fun level design and general playing around fun. That shrinkage video looks awesome. Also, it's not all in shades of brown and grey. Plus!

Also, you're welcome to all the "serious games" you want. Me enjoying fun games, games with boobs, blood, chainsaw bayonets and guns the size of trains takes nothing away from you, just like me enjoying Machete takes nothing away from people who prefer The King's Speech. I'm happy these good, entertaining games are seemingly making a comeback. It means there's finally an fps I want to play, and there hasn't really been one since Unreal Tournament, and I can finally kick some ass with Johnny Cage again. All that's missing is a worthy successor to the original Golden Axe series (the one for Mega Drive) and those chainsaws I mentio- ooh, look at that: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/trailers/3299-Warhammer-40k-Space-Marine-Combat-System

So yeah, I'm getting it because it looks like a lot of fun and that's what I want. That's not all I want, but it's an essential basic. Heavy Rain wasn't fun, and Mass Effect wasn't fun. I really wanted to enjoy it, as I did Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale, but the action sequences were too short, too far between and too much cover nonsense. I'm sure the Mass Effect story is alright, if you can get through the game part - I couldn't, because there wasn't enough to keep me interested, and so the characters didn't have time to grow on me, so we'll never know if I would've enjoyed the story part either. As it was, I felt more annoyed than anything whenever I had to sit through a conversation or cutscene.
I haven't actually tried Uncharted, because it doesn't look like something I'd enjoy. Something about the character design. Millions of people were attracted to it, and did buy it, so it isn't hurt in any way. I wish them well.

Also, while thinking outside the box is always a good thing in and of itself, it doesn't guarantee that your ideas are any good. I'm not convinced the poo flinging bit in the upcoming Duke Nukem is a good idea, for example, though it's certainly new.

 

[Ris]

Schindler's List.
Dumb and Dumber.

Bob Dylan.
Weird Al Yankovic.

The Wire.
South Park.


Why shouldn't gaming be allowed to have it's fun, silly, low-brow titles? The other Entertainment industries do, and people love them just as much as the serious stuff. Gritty, realistic storytelling and heaps of critical acclaim aren't essential to something being enjoyable, sometimes you just want a bit of a laugh.

 

[Vibhor]

And seriously, did you even think before saying "Hollow gameplay"?

I did. That's what an opinion is. They differ.

And yet you mock some other person's post saying otherwise.
Wow, hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[loodmoney]

Not going to buy it, because (1) I'm not okay with the "ironic" sexism, and (2) I doubt it will be any good. In my totally unsubstantiated opinion: The game will not represent 14 years of development, it will be a nostalgia cash-in, it won't be particularly fun (especially in comparison to the hype), it won't be that different, all things considered, from more "modern" games.

 

[WrongSprite]

Well your own poll has fucked your argument with a 2:1 ratio, hasn't it now?

 

[Aerakade]

While I agree that Duke isn't going to probably be left in the same league as Mass Effect or Heavy Rains- games that could really stand up as art on their own- Duke Nuke'm has 2 things going for it.

1- It's fun in the watching re-runs of 80s action movies sort of way. It'll probably be crude, over the top, and insanely fun at the same time

2- Nostalgia. If you take away nostalgia and anticipation for seeing an "old friend" from video game releases Nintendo would be run out a garage.

 

[tzimize]

Just to save myself a few responses, yes I know loads of people are going to go buy it and that's how the games industry works, jeez.

Why the hell is there a Duke Nukem game coming out in this day and age? Duke is a like a cool stoner friend that you had way back when, as a teenager. You go away, stop speaking and when you did some growing up, got a job and you bump into him and its really awkward.

You know what, I'll put it out there and admit that I actually played through two Duke Nukem games on the PS1, and they weren't that funny then, and its going to be...controversial at best today. I'm not saying that this game shouldn't be made, because there are some people who are curious about it, or that loved the old games, hell - most of the people who play this game will probably be 16 year old teens, who shouldn't be playing anyway.

I just want to go on the record and say "I really don't care if someone under the age restriction plays or watches something they shouldn't" - for the most part anyway.

My biggest problem with this game is that it undoes everything that the games industry, those hard working individuals and teams behind some truly amazing work. Games like the Uncharted series, Heavy Rain (I know not fantastic gameplay, but stay with me here) and Mass Effect. Games that moved away from just being "childrens toys". Developers that thought outside the box, giving the player something that can enrich their experience. These games demonstrate that you can have movie quality like content within a game and take it further, make it unique and it'll last a lot longer than a film. You watch a film thats an hour and a half, two hours for a longer film, 9if you watch Lord of the Rings, but a short game game could last you up to 20 hours. I've gone off topic---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Right, Duke Nukem. Whenever I talk about it, my friends all say, "I remember how fun it was" and I think, well, it was fun...but I was young and stupid back then. I thought Akhmed the puppet was funny back then. Then I grew up and I thought - wow...this really shouldn't be sold mainstream, or even at all. I know theres a market for it, but how many law suits do you think are going to come out of this game "having a laugh" is going to cause? Everyone with their brand stamped on this are walking a tight rope about this - if its as bad as it could be, then bankruptcy is not a far fetched idea.

I suppose 2K didnt help themselves out when they decided to release this the same year as Mortal Kombat. Now if you look at how far the industry has come as a whole and then how far back into immaturity we've gone this year...yeah...not good is it?

Judge for yourself anyway, I've got to play it to review, but I'm not looking forward to that one. Wow...boobs. Yeah smack that butt. BFG! C'mon, just go watch porn and then play some TF2. Same damn result.

Bulletstorm.

There, busted your argument. MAN that was an immature game, but its the most fun shooter I've played in AGES. Mature does not equal fun, it just equals mature. Sometimes thats a good thing, sometimes not.