Poll: Is Valve becoming worse over time?

[cornmancer]

Over time? In my opinion they can't get any worse. Well maybe they could. Who knows. They suck right now though.

Before you flame me, just remember this is my opinion.
[sub][sub]Oh wait, opinions are not allowed on the internet[/sub][/sub]

Thank you for qualifying your statement with examples of things they have done that you don't like and why you do not like them. I feel enlightened by your deep, thoughtful post that contributed so much to the discussion. It didn't dissuade me from sucking Valve's dick on a regular basis, but it certainly helped me understand why someone would not like their games.


[sub][sub]I don't care if you don't like them, but I don't respect you until you tell me why[/sub][/sub]

 

[pyrosaw]

I've just heard of L4D3.It's a rumor.A rumor I kinda expect to come true.Plus, you can bet your ass if there going to make L4D3, there gonna make a 4.

So you're basing your hate on a rumour? And an insubstantiated one, with a personal substantiation? That's hardly being fair, is it?

Gabe Fucking Newell. Enough said.

Not really, why's Gabe such a bad guy?

The fact that they've made a sequel in the gap of a year and that they haven't done anything else.

Yet you want HL2:3 now? Give them a chance one way or the other.

It's not hate.Valve is a company that is starting out like Nintendo started out.A fanbase that will kill you on sight if you say anything remotely terrible about them.A frontline of execellent games that explore the unimagitive.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Gabe Fucking Newell. Enough said.

Not really, why's Gabe such a bad guy?

His Resistance and reasoning in boycotting the PS3 has been nothing but fanboyish.

But possibly less fanboyish than Micro$oft, Nintendo and Sony (amongst others) not wanting to cater for the PC market at all?

According to them, Gabe's trying to resuscitate a dying market. And even Sony have said that the PS3 is devilishly difficult to program for. Perhaps he may have a point?

Any offers on when Nintendo/Sony/Bungie etc. are going to produce their games for the Mac?

 

[Susano]

snip

for a freaking mod/DLC it's unacceptable.

not even Bethesda would deem it acceptable and they have even released Expansion packs within 2 years at most, and they are doing Open world environments!

It's not DLC, it's episodic content. They have to write a story and create levels and stuff.
Bethesda's games are notourious for having plenty of bugs. I think Valve want to avoid that, thus the longer waiting time. You can either have it fast, or have a game where you don't have to reload a save because some NPC wandered off and killed themselves through a glitch.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

It's not hate.Valve is a company that is starting out like Nintendo started out.

With cardgames and toys?

A fanbase that will kill you on sight if you say anything remotely terrible about them.

Name ANY fanbase that doesn't do that. And Valve fanboys attack Valve the most of all.

A frontline of execellent games that explore the unimagitive.

Pardoning the spelling...Lots of excellent games, and a series of titles that explore further into their own cosms? And that's BAD?

Seriously, I don't get this.

 

[Pyode]

snip

for a freaking mod/DLC it's unacceptable.

not even Bethesda would deem it acceptable and they have even released Expansion packs within 2 years at most, and they are doing Open world environments!

Well, considering we have no idea how large the next HL episode will be, or whether or not it will even be an episode as opposed to a full new game, it's kind of hard to judge how long it should take.

Besides, it's not like they have been focusing entirely on HL this entire time. In that 3 year span, they have released two full games, plus ported Steam as well as several games to the Mac. Not to mention the work they have been doing on Portal as well as the new Source engine that they may be revealing at E3.

All things considered, I would say 3 years is perfectly acceptable for a game that we have no idea the size of.

 

[Ninjamedic]

And even Sony have said that the PS3 is devilishly difficult to program for. Perhaps he may have a point?

Why is he the only one moaning about this?
Why aren't bioware saying anything?
Didn't valve hire naughty dog staff a while back?

Look, if they just said "we cant develop for it at the moment" I would accept it as they shouldn't be forced to do it.
Or if they said "we can dev for the PS3 but the PS games would be released 8 months later than the others" then at least they would be trying.
All I have heard from Valve is Newell saying "Waaaaah! the PS3 is an inferior console! It's too hard to dev for! Waaaaaah!"

 

[LeonLethality]

Over time? In my opinion they can't get any worse. Well maybe they could. Who knows. They suck right now though.

Before you flame me, just remember this is my opinion.
[sub][sub]Oh wait, opinions are not allowed on the internet[/sub][/sub]

Thank you for qualifying your statement with examples of things they have done that you don't like and why you do not like them. I feel enlightened by your deep, thoughtful post that contributed so much to the discussion. It didn't dissuade me from sucking Valve's dick on a regular basis, but it certainly helped me understand why someone would not like their games.


[sub][sub]I don't care if you don't like them, but I don't respect you until you tell me why[/sub][/sub]

Why is it I have to give my reasons that I dislike something? Chances are you will just try to tell me why they are wrong. So why bother getting in to an argument?

I said in my opinion. My opinion is based on multiple things.

Which I'd like to hear, if possible, I really don't get all this Valve hate. Sure, the new TF2 menu is diabolical, Steam doesn't work on some systems, it is a form of DRM, they may be gaining a LOT of digital downloads; but against Blizzard/Activision/Ubisoft? Small potatoes really.

I just don't like them. I would go deeper in to it like I have in the past but I am tired of people trying to prove me wrong and/or flaming my opinions

 

[Lemon Of Life]

I don't care for Half Life too much, it's good, but nothing I'm going to get worked up about.

On the other hand, I've got constant free updates for TF2 and Portal 2 coming, therefore have absolutely nada to complain about.

 

[lucky_bob45]

statement of opinion: Valve make good games, but due to that fact many of their fans elevated them to gods or put them on a pedestal. It happens a lot and I'm not attacking valve fans. the point is they make good games, yes there are other issues such as not developing for the ps3, "valve time" and a refusal to support machinima despite having possibly the best platform for it.but they're human, that can really do no more or less, overall, than any other company.
you take the good you take the bad you take them both and there you have the facts of life (and Valve)

 

[Sebenko]

I dunno. They're still as good as ever, but their messianic reputation seems to have taken a hit lately.

 

[Pyode]

-snip-

I didn't realize that it was Valves responsibility to develop their games for every console on the market.

Ya know, they could probably port Half Life 2 to the Wii, do you think they should do that?

Do you see where I am going with this?

If Vale took the time to port every game to every console their dev times would be even longer then thy already are and it would mean less resources to develop new content.

Look, I'm sorry that you can't play Valve games on your PS3, but I cant play Nintendo games on my 360 either. That's one of the things you need to take into account when you chose a console.

Does it mostly play the games that you want to play? Cause really, thats all you can ask for.

Most not all

 

[Ninjamedic]

-snip-

Snip (again)

Must I repeat what I said?

Look, if they just said "we cant develop for it at the moment" I would accept it as they shouldn't be forced to do it.
Or if they said "we can dev for the PS3 but the PS games would be released 8 months later than the others" then at least they would be trying.
All I have heard from Valve is Newell saying "Waaaaah! the PS3 is an inferior console! It's too hard to dev for! Waaaaaah!"

 

[Dexiro]

What do you mean losing their touch? Theyve got quite a few people clambering over any sniff of episode 3 like heroine junkies looking for a fix. They've been able to make a number of well selling games from mods of half life.

The only problem I have is that they made a half assed 360 port then complained that its too hard to make a ps3 port when they've left the 360 versions out in the cold like an unwanted child.

I think EA publish their console ports so those are given deadlines, hence the suckyness ;D

 

[zHellas]

Gabe Fucking Newell. Enough said.

..........What exactly is wrong with the L4D series?

The fact that they've made a sequel in the gap of a year and that they haven't done anything else.

I looooooooooooooooooooooove L4D so swdihfe to you!

What does swdihfe mean?

Gabe Fucking Newell. Enough said.

..........What exactly is wrong with the L4D series?

The fact that they've made a sequel in the gap of a year and that they haven't done anything else.

I looooooooooooooooooooooove L4D so swdihfe to you!

I am on PS3. Do not mock me.

So just because you use a certain console means we can't mock you?

 

[Doug]

I ... I think they are. Slowly, of course - I mean, I loved L4D, but L4D2 wasn't up to their normal standards, and it came out so soon after L4D? And no sign of HL2 EP 3 or HL 3? I mean, not even a screenshot? I seriously comes across to me as if they where just mucking around in the story in EP 1 and 2, and suddenly realised they hadn't worked out what to do in EP 3.

 

[Tzekelkan]

As I see it, Valve is only getting better the more time passes. The updates and new achievements to TF2 are in good shape, L4D2 is a sequel that greatly expands on the first game's flaws and adds more of what worked, HL2:Ep2 was better than HL2:Ep1, they've updated the HL2 engine to Orange Box level, and probably most of all, Steam is getting more and more amazing, its catalogue of games growing by the week with great games, the packs and sales are multiplying, new features are introduced etc.

Of course, this is all my opinion, but that's what the OP asked for, right?

My greatest fear is that one day Valve will get too pissed at its unpleasable, self-entitled jackass of a fanbase (not everyone, but you know who you are) and are just going to drop PC gaming and go for the Xbox where people have less methods of complaining.

 

[Dfskelleton]

I think that they should focus more on Half Life and Portal instead of L4D. L4D is a great game, but it can get boring after you play campaign multiple times. Half Life and Portal are amazing games, and instead of their good but not amazing zombie series, should work on those if they want to stay in my top 5 game developers.

 

[Ninjamedic]

I am on PS3. Do not mock me.

So just because you use a certain console means we can't mock you?

Nah, I don't really care go ahead.

 

[Not G. Ivingname]

It depends on if they are going have the surprise at E3 be L4D3