Minesweeper (I'm serious). Other than that I play League of Legends. Most MP games always provide a good challenge
Poll: Last Video game you played that required skill
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y'know, I'm looking through my game directory and I can't find a single game released after 2002 which I found actually challenging.
demon's souls was quite hard. last hard pc game I played was Deus ex on realistic, but that's only because I didn't know what skills to pick and where all the stuff was.
demon's souls was quite hard. last hard pc game I played was Deus ex on realistic, but that's only because I didn't know what skills to pick and where all the stuff was.
Just look at the old controllers and compare them to modern controllers. We went from a couple buttons and a D-pad to two sticks, D-pad, and about four times the buttons. You can teach an old man how to play old NES games in a minute. Ever tried teaching your grandparents (or someone that's never played videogames before) how to move in first person? It takes 30 minutes before they finally just give up or move awkwardly. That's not even playing the game! Just basic controls takes forever.
The brutal old-school games of the past only had the challenge of lightning-fast reflexes, and even then they didn't all do this. We have so many different types of difficulty now, it's hard to even compare. The complexity of games has increased, the skill needed to win has increased. A lot of genres have plateaued though, and our old knowledge of common controls and strategies roll over so they don't seem as hard. The games aren't all easier; the players are better.
I'll admit, there are a few games that are easier to get into, but those are usually aimed towards younger kids, casual gamers, or have bonus content with challenge. It has more to do with the sheer amount of games we release now, of course some will be easy.
Oh, and the last game I played that required skill? Civilization 5. Trying to beat it on Deity and it's being a *****.
The brutal old-school games of the past only had the challenge of lightning-fast reflexes, and even then they didn't all do this. We have so many different types of difficulty now, it's hard to even compare. The complexity of games has increased, the skill needed to win has increased. A lot of genres have plateaued though, and our old knowledge of common controls and strategies roll over so they don't seem as hard. The games aren't all easier; the players are better.
I'll admit, there are a few games that are easier to get into, but those are usually aimed towards younger kids, casual gamers, or have bonus content with challenge. It has more to do with the sheer amount of games we release now, of course some will be easy.
Oh, and the last game I played that required skill? Civilization 5. Trying to beat it on Deity and it's being a *****.
I'm not kidding at all.GrimHeaper said:
The Computer Is a Cheating Bastard - Par for the course in a fighting game, of course, but the computer-controlled characters can do things that are flat-out impossible for human players to do, like equipping ridiculously rare equipment long before the player can craft it, equipping gear for which they haven't reached the level requirement, knowing attacks at levels lower than the player learns them, and they often equip multiple copies of accessories that the player is only allowed to use one of.
A really basic one: the character with the higher level gets about 100 extra BRV points for each level exceeding. Even assuming Player Characters get that bonus (the start-of-battle screen is conveniently set up in a way that you can't find out), computers are far more likely to have the level edge. (Hell, under certain circumstances, enemies will actually break maximum level.)
Chaos is a SNK Boss, so he does a lot of cheating. Zero-start up attacks let him counter your attacks instantly, his HP attacks require precise timing to avoid properly, he has his own customized set of equipment that have a stat boost dependent on his level, ensuring his stats are as high as can be "fair", and he heals fully during the three-battle match, while players begin the next fight with however much HP they managed to retain in the last fight. If the player loses any of the three battles with Chaos, they have to start the match all over again.
Chaos can only be fought in the smallest stage in the game, which has only a ground floor. Chaos's attacks are some of the largest in the game, with wide areas of effect. His attacks take up so much of the stage that it's nearly impossible to dodge, largely because there's nowhere to dodge to.
Chaos' unique summon Shinryu deserves a mention too. Normally, players can call a summon once per battle. Shinryu can be summoned as many times as Chaos wants to use him, and can choose his effect, because Shinryu mimics the effects of other summons and powers them up. If Chaos really wanted to he could summon Shinryu three times in a row, activating an effect to cut your Brave in half every two seconds, doubling his own Brave instantly, and then lock his Brave so your attacks can't damage him.
The battle with Chaos is a bit easier in Duodecim: if you die on the second or third phase of the battle you start over from that phase, and you can have up to five characters in your party so if one dies you can continue with the next and Chaos will retain whatever HP damage the defeated character did to him.
There is one occurrence of "justified" cheating, if that makes sense. The Laguna ghost the player fights is a Squall in the Level 20 range, equipped with Level 20 armor, but a level 94 weapon. This is justified because the weapon is a Machine Gun, Laguna's signature weapon in Final Fantasy VIII. Its still technically cheating, but there's an actual reason in this case.
In Dissidia 012, special Emblems on the boards trigger certain effects in battle, like increasing your Bravery, making Boosters stronger, increasing the critical hit rate of certain attacks, and so forth. In the "Confessions of the Creator" storyline, enemies are often positioned in such a way to force you on an Emblem with a detrimental effect, like disabling your equipment, starting you with no Bravery, and making physical or magical attacks do no damage. This is in addition to the other cheating described above - these mentioned enemies that you must face with no equipment will be over level 100 with top-grade equipment and accessories. Oh, and with most of the Emblems, at least the detrimental one, only you suffer these drawbacks - should the enemy be positioned on an Emblem, it won't take effect on them.
Well, you could use a skill chain to avoid standing on them. Although you might be standing on a different bad one, so it's bad for you either way.
A really basic one: the character with the higher level gets about 100 extra BRV points for each level exceeding. Even assuming Player Characters get that bonus (the start-of-battle screen is conveniently set up in a way that you can't find out), computers are far more likely to have the level edge. (Hell, under certain circumstances, enemies will actually break maximum level.)
Chaos is a SNK Boss, so he does a lot of cheating. Zero-start up attacks let him counter your attacks instantly, his HP attacks require precise timing to avoid properly, he has his own customized set of equipment that have a stat boost dependent on his level, ensuring his stats are as high as can be "fair", and he heals fully during the three-battle match, while players begin the next fight with however much HP they managed to retain in the last fight. If the player loses any of the three battles with Chaos, they have to start the match all over again.
Chaos can only be fought in the smallest stage in the game, which has only a ground floor. Chaos's attacks are some of the largest in the game, with wide areas of effect. His attacks take up so much of the stage that it's nearly impossible to dodge, largely because there's nowhere to dodge to.
Chaos' unique summon Shinryu deserves a mention too. Normally, players can call a summon once per battle. Shinryu can be summoned as many times as Chaos wants to use him, and can choose his effect, because Shinryu mimics the effects of other summons and powers them up. If Chaos really wanted to he could summon Shinryu three times in a row, activating an effect to cut your Brave in half every two seconds, doubling his own Brave instantly, and then lock his Brave so your attacks can't damage him.
The battle with Chaos is a bit easier in Duodecim: if you die on the second or third phase of the battle you start over from that phase, and you can have up to five characters in your party so if one dies you can continue with the next and Chaos will retain whatever HP damage the defeated character did to him.
There is one occurrence of "justified" cheating, if that makes sense. The Laguna ghost the player fights is a Squall in the Level 20 range, equipped with Level 20 armor, but a level 94 weapon. This is justified because the weapon is a Machine Gun, Laguna's signature weapon in Final Fantasy VIII. Its still technically cheating, but there's an actual reason in this case.
In Dissidia 012, special Emblems on the boards trigger certain effects in battle, like increasing your Bravery, making Boosters stronger, increasing the critical hit rate of certain attacks, and so forth. In the "Confessions of the Creator" storyline, enemies are often positioned in such a way to force you on an Emblem with a detrimental effect, like disabling your equipment, starting you with no Bravery, and making physical or magical attacks do no damage. This is in addition to the other cheating described above - these mentioned enemies that you must face with no equipment will be over level 100 with top-grade equipment and accessories. Oh, and with most of the Emblems, at least the detrimental one, only you suffer these drawbacks - should the enemy be positioned on an Emblem, it won't take effect on them.
Well, you could use a skill chain to avoid standing on them. Although you might be standing on a different bad one, so it's bad for you either way.
I have to say League of Legends.
Proper micro, item usage, and skill choices as well as rune'ing and masteries makes it a tad bit more complex from the beginning then most games.
Throw that in with the wall of different champion choices, each of which playing completely differently, and you have a rather skillful game. Ive seen people pick champions i consider the easiest and completely fail at the game.
Proper micro, item usage, and skill choices as well as rune'ing and masteries makes it a tad bit more complex from the beginning then most games.
Throw that in with the wall of different champion choices, each of which playing completely differently, and you have a rather skillful game. Ive seen people pick champions i consider the easiest and completely fail at the game.
i have been playing nothing but hard games recently and so yes, i would say most games require skill.
freaking littlebigplanet, the most family friendly game ever becomes brutally hard during the collector levels. like, nearly NES hard at points. if it werent for the checkpoint system, i would have given up entirely, but even with a few lives, it still kicks my ass.
resistance is just unfair sometimes. seriously.
far cry 2 is just as unfair as resistance, unless you play smart and careful.
demon's souls. fuck this game.
freaking littlebigplanet, the most family friendly game ever becomes brutally hard during the collector levels. like, nearly NES hard at points. if it werent for the checkpoint system, i would have given up entirely, but even with a few lives, it still kicks my ass.
resistance is just unfair sometimes. seriously.
far cry 2 is just as unfair as resistance, unless you play smart and careful.
demon's souls. fuck this game.
The Witcher 2 is the most recent one, but lately also: Vampire: the masquerade - bloodlines, Magic the gathering, Mortal Kombat and Alpha Protocol.
The Witcher 2 is the most difficult of the games I've played this year, and its also brilliant!
if you think that games doesn't require skill anymore, then try the Witcher 2 on hard or insanity mode, hell you can try it on normal and you'll get a good challenge!
The Witcher 2 is the most difficult of the games I've played this year, and its also brilliant!
if you think that games doesn't require skill anymore, then try the Witcher 2 on hard or insanity mode, hell you can try it on normal and you'll get a good challenge!
I'd say most games require some level of skill.. it's just definitely more evident in some than in others. I recently picked up a PSP with a copy of Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max though, so that's probably my most recently played game that demands skill to play. If you want a genre that demands skill you really can't go wrong with fighting games.
By your logic, it does not take skill for anything that cannot result in death. The world's greatest athletes have no skill because anyone can do it. True, anyone can physically do it, but not everyone has the skill to accomplish it right now. Even in video games, a possibility of death does not remove a person's capability to complete a game.
Everything requires skill, unless it is a purely reflex action, such as breathing or sneezing.
Everything requires skill, unless it is a purely reflex action, such as breathing or sneezing.
Mortal Kombat and Blazblue CS. But a load of games require skill. I'd say if you have to THINK about what you're doing in a game, it requires skill.
Yes, games do still need skill. It's just after a while it feels like they don't as the skills you need to play a particular game eventually come naturally. But, when you first acquire a game, I believe that you do need skill.
Heck, I'm going to hate my self for saying this but even the brown and grey FPS shooters that are some how all the rage at the moment require some level of skill.
Heck, I'm going to hate my self for saying this but even the brown and grey FPS shooters that are some how all the rage at the moment require some level of skill.
