Poll: Miscarriage: A capital offense?

[Jamboxdotcom]

Well shit, my mistake. How could I have possibly been so stupid as to make the typo of putting in an "s". They ought to kill me, too! /sarcasm.

None of that changes in the slightest the fact of you coming in and claiming that everyone other than you is too stupid to grasp the subtle concepts of eating with a fork. This thread is for honest opinions of a current issue, not for coming in here and telling everyone else they're stupid, they're liars and whatever else you keep saying. If you don't feel like that, then please leave, we can get along fine without your shining influence.

calm down, man. telling people not to judge hastily is not the same as calling everyone stupid.

But my main point is that people really need a checklist before they start bashing a law, something like:

1. Do I actually understand this law?
2. Am I living in a comic book? (seriously)
3. What is this law designed to do?
4. Is my source lying? (in this case incidentally it's 'yes'. Well, it's a lie by omission)
5. Do I actually have the political and legal knowledge I need?

Not meaning to be offensive but most people on here simply do not have the training to understand legal thought. That's evident by the fact that the OP doesn't get the difference between one guy proposing a badly worded law and a huge conspiracy to kill women.

bolded the important part there, so you (the OP) can stop accusing Generic Gamer of calling you a liar. you, the OP, are not the source. the source would be MSN. don't take things so personally, man. i can tell you matter-of-factly that Generic Gamer and i rarely see eye-to-eye on politics. but, i respect his ability to make his case calmly, rationally, and without resorting to personal attacks. maybe that'll give you some context for what he said.

OT: of course it's an insane law, even if it does apply only to miscarriage through drugs or alcohol. that's why it will never pass.

 

[Madara XIII]

I will say this, I am a christian and I do believe in the bible as God's word and even I think this is the stupidest thing that I have ever heard.

HELL YEAH!!!!

Sorry I have reactions like that

 

[Slaanax]

Sounds like the Bill won't be able to pass if it over turns Roe V Wade a supreme court decision.

 

[RollForInitiative]

The typical miscarriage rate is 20%, though it's theorized to be higher due to the number of people that likely miscarry before it becomes evident that they are even pregnant in the first place. Of that percentage, 20% are also likely to suffer recurring miscarriages.

So this is a bill that's meant to incriminate 20% of pregnant women in the U.S. that did nothing wrong?

Classy.

 

[CrystalShadow]

Hell no.

I find the death penalty idiotic anyway, but for having a miscarriage?

That's evil. Plain and simple. (And I don't tend to say things like that.)

 

[DSQ]

That makes no scence, you can only be punished for an offence you commited though neglect(manslaughter) or though intent(murder). Most miscarrages are nether.

 

[Redingold]

1 in 4 pregnancies miscarry after just 6 weeks since conception.

So, yeah, Mr. Georgia lawmaker-type person:

 

[Faladorian]

Tragedy becoming an offence is a sickening thought.

Driving drunk and getting people killed is also a tragedy, that still doesn't excuse the driver.

That said, I agree that this is bullshit.

I'd say it's more in line with a drunk driver crashing into you, your child dying, and then you going to jail, not the drunk driver.

I agree this is total complete and utter horse shit. If Georgia passed this law, I'd say we should demand they secede from the United States.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

As always I'd like to see more information on this than this.
I've spent a lot of time trying to explain to people that the latest TV/newspaper report they've seen that says the UK has made it illegal to defend yourself or Australia has made it illegal to swear etc is a complete pile of crap and if you actually look at things in a bit more detail you'll see it's just a bullshit sensationalist story that misses out just enough info to make it look like something it's not.

 

[A Username Not In Use]

Its things like this that have turned Robert Heinlein's "If this goes on-" into one of the scariest short stories I have ever read. The man is fucking insane and quite frankly should be held up as an example of whats wrong with democracy

 

[Dastardly]

Currently, A Georgia lawmaker is trying to pass a law that will render having a miscarriage a criminal act. What is the punishment for this "crime", you might ask?

Death.

Thoughts, Escapist?

Source:
http://video.ca.msn.com/watch/video/proposed-law-women-get-death-if-they-miscarry/17yskdoae?from=imbot_en-ca_m1824

Since I can see from reading through these posts that it has been extensively explained to you what this bill is doing, and how your presentation demonstrates a marked framing bias, I think it would be sporting of you to adjust the original post to reflect this information you've been given.

OT: If a woman induces a miscarriage through gross negligence, it should be the right of a State to declare that act a murder (ie, negligent homicide) if that state already has policies on the books by which the unborn are treated as people for purposes of criminal law.

This, of course, raises the question of whether or not a child born with, say, fetal-alcohol syndrome should be treated as a case of attempted murder... but then you run the risk of such children having their mothers stripped away.

In short, I want to agree that there should be a stiff penalty for these women who, whether by negligence or malice, cause the deaths of their unborn children... but I also believe that sort of person has no business being a parent at all. The child dies, which is tragic, but the bloodline of that particular idiot dies with it. Nature enforces itself, no need for legislation.

 

[pezwitch]

Just another outspoken politician trying to push through some random bill that will likely never even be voted on anyway. This sort of thing happens all the time. Nothing to see here.

Although the wording of this legislation is just horrible. particularly this part...

... so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever in the causation of such event.

Technically, under this wording, there could be some insane restrictions placed on pregnant women. In addition to the no smoking/drinking/drugs thing, anything else that could be seen as harmful to the baby could also be prohibited. Things like coffee, herbal tea, potato chips, excessive exercising, going to places where you could likely be exposed to bacteria and diseases, getting in a car (which could be in a crash), etc...

In extreme cases, you would basically be stripping away all rights of the woman involved under threat of being charged with murder of her child should something happen.

I personally believe the agenda behind this type of law is to take away rights from women, as are attacks on family planning clinics and trying to limit birth control options (The pill isn't covered by some insurance plans).

Why are our legislators more worried about potential children rather than the children who are here now? Education funding is being cut, health care funding is being cut, and foster care funding is being cut. If we really want to improve children's lives shouldn't we be starting with funding programs that help real, live children?

 

[The Great JT]

"This woman's biology killed her child while it was in the womb! Clearly she is a murderer and should be put to death!"

Oh god, my brain! IT HURTS FROM TRYING TO PROCESS HOW STUPID THIS LEGISLATOR IS!!

 

[BanthaFodder]

another day, another retarded politician.
next story please.

 

[Wharrgarble]

This kind of thing makes me want to throw up. Granted, I know it will NEVER pass. It's just far too extreme of a bill, and he's tried similar things in the past which never went anywhere at all. However, the fact that someone could even have their head so far up their own ass to think that a bill like this could even be warranted sickens me.

 

[EchetusXe]

No matter how nuts you think a politician is. Remember there is always one who is even more extreme. Probably there is someone out there would like a law to be passed making it illegal for a woman to not be pregnant.

Some on the extreme of the extreme right see women as vessels for which future soldiers are born, and nothing more.

The best thing to do is ignore these people, seen as they have no power. Sure this guy has a vote in the Georgia state legislature, but still even with that level of power one person cannot make a difference, no matter how big a screwball he is.

 

[ssgt splatter]

This is why I hate law...lawerys...la...lawmakers.

 

[Darkauthor81]

Okay, this is ridiculous. Of course, this is MSNBC we're talking about here, so you can't really trust anything they say.

To me, it looks like one crazy person proposing something incomprehensibly stupid, and these commentators using it to demonize the entire pro-life movement. They didn't just say "this guy is an idiot", they started Republican-bashing, acting like this is normal conservative behavior, and it's a "war on reproductive rights".

Seriously. I read an MSNBC article about counties that have declining population. Two paragraphs in it started blaming republican economic policies on the declining birth rate and aging citizens.

Seriously. I thought democrats were suppose to be better than this. This is Fox News level of bull crap.