Poll: Miscarriage: A capital offense?

[thecoreyhlltt]

whoever the 8 people are that voted yes, should be banned from this site and sterilized.

What this really comes down to is republicans and tea-party members wanting to overturn roe v. wade

 

[superbatranger]

What the...?

Yes, because a Mother really wants to go through the physical and emotional pain of something she cannot control and be punished for it.

This is so stupid, I have no words.

On a posative note; it would never go through and become illegal, no ones that retarded.

Perhaps they're talking about mothers who purposefully induce miscarriages.

 

[8bitlove2a03]

What the...?

Yes, because a Mother really wants to go through the physical and emotional pain of something she cannot control and be punished for it.

This is so stupid, I have no words.

On a posative note; it would never go through and become illegal, no ones that retarded.

Perhaps they're talking about mothers who purposefully induce miscarriages.

They are. Read my post above.

 

[FamoFunk]

What the...?

Yes, because a Mother really wants to go through the physical and emotional pain of something she cannot control and be punished for it.

This is so stupid, I have no words.

On a posative note; it would never go through and become illegal, no ones that retarded.

Perhaps they're talking about mothers who purposefully induce miscarriages.

What the...?

Yes, because a Mother really wants to go through the physical and emotional pain of something she cannot control and be punished for it.

This is so stupid, I have no words.

On a posative note; it would never go through and become illegal, no ones that retarded.

Perhaps they're talking about mothers who purposefully induce miscarriages.

They are. Read my post above.

This is for both of you.

Where do you draw the line though, what if someone didn't know they were pregnant for, say 14 weeks, (this is more commen than you think) and got so drunk every weekend she lost the baby?

She'll be accused of killing something she never knew she had.

 

[dragontiers]

First off, this is obviously a hype video. OP, if possible please link a better article or video that actually gives an explanation of the bill, rather than simply two people going "blarg evil honk blarg republicans blarg honk".

Secondly, the bill itself [http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/20112012/108128.pdf] says (in regards to prenatal murder) that "Such term does not include a naturally occurring expulsion of a fetus known medically as a 'spontaneous abortion' and popularly as a 'miscarriage' so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever in the causation of such event."

Thirdly, the intent of the bill is anti-abortion (with the usual anti-race suicide undertones). The intent is to criminalize abortion in all forms, which includes inducing a miscarriage. It does not criminalize a natural miscarriage, though I can definitely see the potential for abusive enforcement of the bill should it become law.


These things said, I would like everyone to read controversial bills, stop watching hype media, pay better attention to what is actually happening before forming/slinging their opinions around.

Love,
-8bit

Thank you very much for finding the actual bill itself for us to read, and pointing out what it specifically says on the issues raised here. I am very glad someone was able to find the source so that it might be discussed rationally.

As to the contents of the bill itself, I don't believe it has a chance of passing. While it does raise some interesting legal arguments as to the rights of the states vs the federal government, as well as the official jurisdiction of the supreme court, I am unsure of the actual validity of their arguments as I am not well versed in these legal matters. Additionally, it claims "The General Assembly knows the answer to that difficult question, and that answer is life begins at the moment of conception;", a statement on which many people disagree, likely even people in said assembly. I don't believe there will be a consensus on the subject any time soon.

 

[sheah1]

Blaming a grieving mother for something she had no control over and probably feels near suicidal about. Perfect!
Holy Sweet Jesus that dude must be mentally ill.

 

[Divine Miss Bee]

women have miscarriages for reasons they can't control all the time. it could never be punishable by law, because it's so common that said law could never be enforced.

 

[8bitlove2a03]

Where do you draw the line though, what if someone didn't know they were pregnant for, say 14 weeks, (this is more commen than you think) and got so drunk every weekend she lost the baby?

Two things.

First, I'd like you to site your statistic about how many women go 14 weeks before realizing they're pregnant.

Secondly, while it would certainly be tragic I don't think the potential-mother would be at fault. I'm sure that in some states you may get a manslaughter charge, but I don't know how many jurists would convict a woman who unknowingly killed her would-be child (particularly if she's all broken up about it).

 

[Macgyvercas]

General Sherman! Burn these bastards! You didn't do a good enough job last time!

OT: Oh, real smart, Georgia. Like it makes ANY sense to punish someone for some thing that they have absolutely no control over. Miscarriages are a spontaneous event, not one you can premeditate.

 

[Drummie666]

How many pregnancies end in miscarriage? 1 in 4? Yes, let's kill close to one fourth of the female population.

 

[WorldCritic]

What the fuck? Even in the U.S. this is a ridiculous idea. This makes me think even less of Georgia.

 

[eljawa]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/23/antiabortion-georgia-lawm_n_827340.html this site explains the law better. Essentially it is an anti abortion law...but it is too vaguely worded to be a good law. Granted im still against it because im pro choice. Huzzah

 

[TheTygerfire]

Forcing a miscarriage should be illegal, but not miscarriages in general. That's silly.

And yes, Georgia is nothing but a redneck hick state that us classy people in Washington look down on. We gave the world Grunge, they gave us gingivitis.

Sorry bout your home state, AJ Styles.

You must not have heard AJ's promos in the indies, from what I've seen he fits right in with the majority of the state.

On topic. Miscarriages that are your own damned fault and could have been avoided are wrong and you should be punished for being so stupid as to cause it (edit: just to be clearer I mean ones the mothers bring on themselves with drugs, etc), but making them ALL illegal? Really? REALLY? /miz

Both my mother and grandmother had miscarriages in there last pregnancies, and having them both go on trial for something they didn't cause or want to happen would have devastated our family if it weren't for the prospect of the death penalty.

 

[FamoFunk]

Where do you draw the line though, what if someone didn't know they were pregnant for, say 14 weeks, (this is more commen than you think) and got so drunk every weekend she lost the baby?

Two things.

First, I'd like you to site your statistic about how many women go 14 weeks before realizing they're pregnant.

Secondly, while it would certainly be tragic I don't think the potential-mother would be at fault. I'm sure that in some states you may get a manslaughter charge, but I don't know how many jurists would convict a woman who unknowingly killed her would-be child (particularly if she's all broken up about it).

Just do a quick Google search and go onto baby sites and baby forums.

Not every woman's period stop straight away and not all get the symptons, when I was pregnant I had no symptons and no bump until about 28 weeks. Luckly, my periods stopped which told me to take a test.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

It would most likely be used to punish mothers who miscarry through drug or alcohol abuse.

Now THAT sounds like a crime.

Yeah I'd personally say that recklessly endangering your baby's life for hedonistic purposes is a crime, a pretty nasty one at that.

But my main point is that people really need a checklist before they start bashing a law, something like:

1. Do I actually understand this law?
2. Am I living in a comic book? (seriously)
3. What is this law designed to do?
4. Is my source lying? (in this case incidentally it's 'yes'. Well, it's a lie by omission)
5. Do I actually have the political and legal knowledge I need?

Not meaning to be offensive but most people on here simply do not have the training to understand legal thought. That's evident by the fact that the OP doesn't get the difference between one guy proposing a badly worded law and a huge conspiracy to kill women.

Just thought I'd quote this so more people would see it and maybe THINK for 5 seconds before deciding that the US wants to kill 1/4 of the female population.

Seriously, guys. Use some common fucking sense here.

 

[Lord Kloo]

Sorry for my language but who the fuck came up with this one..

Its not even like women miscarry on purpose its not their choice and rarely, if at all, their fault..
Its punishing people for losing a game of chance when the punishment was already loss..

If they implement this law then I will seriously consider doing something really... really stupid

Isn't this also really really stupid because the idea of using death as a punishment was to deter people from higher crimes and also to remove the incurable sections, this won't help if we kill the mother as well..
Secondly, even jail will be pointless as the idea of jail is to again deter and serve as retribution, now as I'm sure the dead fetus doesn't really need retribution then the whole idea of punishment for this is pointless..
Now, a pregnancy course and how to act whilst pregers might be necessary a few months down the line and only if the woman did something that could have caused the miscarriage..

 

[Nurb]

If abortion is legal then a murder charge would set precedent to make abortion illegal.

 

[Madara XIII]

Tragedy becoming an offence is a sickening thought.

That's the times now a days. It's sad to see it like it is though. Honestly sometimes you can't control whether or not the baby lives or dies while giving birth.

Then again reading this article I suddenly remember that it's Georgia.....nuff said.