Poll: Non Veggies...Prepare your rebuttals

[jasoncyrus]

If it ain't sentient or on par with our intellectual capabilities, it's good to eat in my opinion. Besides, give it a century and we'll be growing meat. JUST the muscles (I think that's the part we eat, I'm not familiar with the trade of the Butcher), meaning even the Vegetarians shouldn't have a problem eating what what has been an important part of our diet historically, meat.

Dude who cares if its sentient or on par with us?

Tasty meat is tasty meat. Lower IQ should have nothing to do with it. I don't see why you'd feel guilty if it understood what was happening to it.

 

[antipunt]

*yawn* Another boring thread about a vegetarian complaining about humans doing what they evolved to do. We are omniverous, evolution/god (both apply in this case) wanted us to eat meat as well as vegetables, thats why we have incisors, kanines and various molars.

But if we're going to go down the road that eaitng meat is murder then the simple counter of eating vegetables is murder as well because they are both living and intelligent.

es they are intelligent because they grow towards sunlight. If they didn't have some form of base intelligence then they would'nt be able to do that.

So yeah, if you are gonna complain about me murdering cows to live I'm gonna complain about you murdering carrots etc to live.

The only people who can get away with complaining are Fruitarians who only eat what has dropped from the trees already.

Took the words right out of my mouth. In addition, (some more aggressive) Vegetarians like to demonize meat-eaters. Give me a break. We're in a world full of terrorists, dying human children, injustice in the streets, etc. , and you're giving us crap about a 'sea-kitten' or whatever they call fish. Yeesh.

(and it's not like I don't care about animals. I do. But there's something call priority-setting). Yes, I hate how some factories cruelly kill animals (actually, I somewhat -detest- this), but I also detest rape, murder, bullies pushing other people around, hypocrites, etc. etc., but they aren't going away. This is earth: welcome.

 

[sallene]

I'm thinking BS on the friend account.
Also, the reason people have weight problems is because they couple overconsumption with an increasingly sedentary lifestyle, which, in short words, means they EAT TOO MUCH and DON'T GET OFF THEIR FAT ARSES.

Pretty much this reason for people being overweight.

If you consume 3000 calories a day but your body only expends 1200 of those calories, that 1800 that is left is going to be stored as fat.

How we can come so far yet fail on this issue when it comes down to basic math that everyone should know is beyond me.

Scary, isn't it?

Indeed.

I would esimate I burn around 1 calorie a day with my unfitness but ever seen turning veggie I have to keep an eye on my weight making sure I get enough,that was the point I was trying to make and I was talking about personal experience and than applying it to others,maybe in the wrong tone if this came from it.

I wasnt commenting on anything you said, just in general about how its beyond me how people cannot understand the simple math of calorie intake and how people get fat.

Besides I have known plenty of vegans/vegetarians that are overweight because they overcompensate in high fat nuts/legumes/plants to compensate for not eating meat.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

You fool! The death and suffering of the innocent are a sacrifice to the Blood God, without it he will devour the sun!

Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne! Hail our Lord Khorne who sits on his mighty brass throne on top of the tower of skulls!

As in regards to Vegs....well Hitler was a vegetarian thus I consider my crusade of eating every tasty animal on the planet as a personal Crusade against Nazism. Remember children if you are a veg you support Hitler and kill babies with your bare hands. Want to learn more?

 

[sallene]

If it ain't sentient or on par with our intellectual capabilities, it's good to eat in my opinion. Besides, give it a century and we'll be growing meat. JUST the muscles (I think that's the part we eat, I'm not familiar with the trade of the Butcher), meaning even the Vegetarians shouldn't have a problem eating what what has been an important part of our diet historically, meat.

Dude who cares if its sentient or on par with us?

Tasty meat is tasty meat. Lower IQ should have nothing to do with it. I don't see why you'd feel guilty if it understood what was happening to it.

So... you'd be okay with Cannibalism?

If we were in a plane wreck in a remote wilderness during winter with no plants or animals around and I lived and you died, well sorry to say, yes you would be dinner.

Thats my opinion on the subject.

 

[ygetoff]

Cat's and Dog's in the Western world are bred for the purpose of being companions for humans.

Chickens, Cows and Pigs are bred for the purpose of Eggs, Milk and Meat.

Killing a defenceless animal for the sick pleasure of it is incomparable to killing an animal for it's meat.

Having a spike shoved through your skull is also much less cruel than consciously feeling your body burn to cinders.

Yes, I agree. Plus I'm not sure that cats or dogs are as delicious as chickens and cows.

 

[Undeadpope]

Being a vegetarian is unhealthy.

woah,waoh,woah not true eating nothing but biscuits which are suitable for vegetarian(be sure to check them,they are on the fairly likely list to not be suitable) otherwise being vegetarian has proven to been MORE healthy,what maybe you might be mistaken in is the lack of essitenal acids some veggies may not be informed about,the main source of it commonly is meat,I get mine from nuts(I eat ALOT of nuts,more than I have to,help balance the weight issue)

lower chance of food poisoning too 95% of that comes from meat

Now Vegan is another story,alot of VEGANS so a lack of calcium.

just FYI.

Okay, retype what you just said using proper punctuation, like periods.

Because it's difficult to understand what the hell you are saying.

sorry for having AHAD.

woah,waoh,woah not true,eating nothing but biscuits which are suitable for vegetarian(be sure to check them,they are on the fairly likely list to not be suitable).Otherwise being vegetarian has proven to been healthier,what maybe you might be mistaken in is the lack of essitenal acids,some veggies may not be informed about,the main source of it which is found in meat,I get my essitenal acids from nuts(I eat ALOT of nuts,more than I have to,help balance the weight issue)

And now put in spaces, and then correct your spelling.

denying my opinion because of my trouble with written word is a bit unfair,do you say "HEY stop stutring while talking to me!" to someone with a speak impediment?

This is a general "Please cut me some slack" to everyone.

well Hitler was a vegetarian

Never read The book of general ignorance than?
Hitler was not a veggie,his cheif noted his love for stuffed pigeon and the reason he adpoted a meat free diet was because he had chronic flatulence.

 

[Baconator96]

why do so many people care about everyone elses' dietary practices? is it really THAT interesting?

 

[ygetoff]

You fool! The death and suffering of the innocent are a sacrifice to the Blood God, without it he will devour the sun!

Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne! Hail our Lord Khorne who sits on his mighty brass throne on top of the tower of skulls!

As in regards to Vegs....well Hitler was a vegetarian thus I consider my crusade of eating every tasty animal on the planet as a personal Crusade against Nazism. Remember children if you are a veg you support Hitler and kill babies with your bare hands. Want to learn more?

Yes. I now have a reason for eating meat other than liking the taste of death.

 

[Lexodus]

Being a vegetarian is unhealthy.

woah,waoh,woah not true eating nothing but biscuits which are suitable for vegetarian(be sure to check them,they are on the fairly likely list to not be suitable) otherwise being vegetarian has proven to been MORE healthy,what maybe you might be mistaken in is the lack of essitenal acids some veggies may not be informed about,the main source of it commonly is meat,I get mine from nuts(I eat ALOT of nuts,more than I have to,help balance the weight issue)

lower chance of food poisoning too 95% of that comes from meat

Now Vegan is another story,alot of VEGANS so a lack of calcium.

just FYI.

Okay, retype what you just said using proper punctuation, like periods.

Because it's difficult to understand what the hell you are saying.

sorry for having AHAD.

woah,waoh,woah not true,eating nothing but biscuits which are suitable for vegetarian(be sure to check them,they are on the fairly likely list to not be suitable).Otherwise being vegetarian has proven to been healthier,what maybe you might be mistaken in is the lack of essitenal acids,some veggies may not be informed about,the main source of it which is found in meat,I get my essitenal acids from nuts(I eat ALOT of nuts,more than I have to,help balance the weight issue)

And now put in spaces, and then correct your spelling.

denying my opinion because of my trouble with written word is a bit unfair,do you say "HEY stop stutring while talking to me!" to someone with a speak impediment?

This is a general "Please cut me some slack" to everyone.

Yes. Why?

 

[Internet Kraken]

Being a vegetarian is unhealthy.

woah,waoh,woah not true eating nothing but biscuits which are suitable for vegetarian(be sure to check them,they are on the fairly likely list to not be suitable) otherwise being vegetarian has proven to been MORE healthy,what maybe you might be mistaken in is the lack of essitenal acids some veggies may not be informed about,the main source of it commonly is meat,I get mine from nuts(I eat ALOT of nuts,more than I have to,help balance the weight issue)

lower chance of food poisoning too 95% of that comes from meat

Now Vegan is another story,alot of VEGANS so a lack of calcium.

just FYI.

Okay, retype what you just said using proper punctuation, like periods.

Because it's difficult to understand what the hell you are saying.

sorry for having AHAD.

woah,waoh,woah not true,eating nothing but biscuits which are suitable for vegetarian(be sure to check them,they are on the fairly likely list to not be suitable).Otherwise being vegetarian has proven to been healthier,what maybe you might be mistaken in is the lack of essitenal acids,some veggies may not be informed about,the main source of it which is found in meat,I get my essitenal acids from nuts(I eat ALOT of nuts,more than I have to,help balance the weight issue)

Okay seriously, are you honestly telling me you can't hit the fucking button to make a period? What kind of bullshit is that?

Also being a vegetarian is not healthier. That is a myth. Humans are omnivores. The best diet is one suited for an omnivore. It's how humans are built.

 

[Daveman]

http://www.newstatesman.com/200408020017 and others. Also, Wikipedia... *disdainful look*

Release of hormones in response to damage isn't to do with pain, it is to do with repair or similar.

Pain is a behavioural reinforcer which is used to help us (and other animals) learn. Plants cannot learn so plants don't feel pain.

Otherwise we're arguing semantics about the definition of pain.

Also, Ican't believe they'd claim to be scientists if they're really going to present that as evidence that plants feel pain. More likely is that some anti-animal rights guys is just trying to use their ideas for his campaign.

 

[Lexodus]

You fool! The death and suffering of the innocent are a sacrifice to the Blood God, without it he will devour the sun!

Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne! Hail our Lord Khorne who sits on his mighty brass throne on top of the tower of skulls!

As in regards to Vegs....well Hitler was a vegetarian thus I consider my crusade of eating every tasty animal on the planet as a personal Crusade against Nazism. Remember children if you are a veg you support Hitler and kill babies with your bare hands. Want to learn more?

Yes. I now have a reason for eating meat other than liking the taste of death.

We also have a Godddddwiiiiiiin

 

[XR74]

all animals are fine to eat, it is only social taboo that means dogs/cats arnt eaten in the UK, and dog can be eaten in korea.
also vegetarianism is not just a protest at eating animals, it is often used (in my experience) as a tool to be 'morally superior' to everyone who eats meat, in which case, i invite these self appointed fuckskulls to jump under a truck

 

[jasoncyrus]

If it ain't sentient or on par with our intellectual capabilities, it's good to eat in my opinion. Besides, give it a century and we'll be growing meat. JUST the muscles (I think that's the part we eat, I'm not familiar with the trade of the Butcher), meaning even the Vegetarians shouldn't have a problem eating what what has been an important part of our diet historically, meat.

Dude who cares if its sentient or on par with us?

Tasty meat is tasty meat. Lower IQ should have nothing to do with it. I don't see why you'd feel guilty if it understood what was happening to it.

So... you'd be okay with Cannibalism?

Hell yeah. On two conditions:

A) it wasn't me on the menu (I'll eat you before you eat me)

and B) it went through the standard meat quality tests (no diseases etc etc)

 

[Baconator96]

denying my opinion because of my trouble with written word is a bit unfair,do you say "HEY stop stutring while talking to me!" to someone with a speak impediment?

This is a general "Please cut me some slack" to everyone.

actually, yes, i would. Your opinion isnt valid if the only person you can effectively relate it to is yourself.

 

[Lexodus]

http://www.newstatesman.com/200408020017 and others. Also, Wikipedia... *disdainful look*

Release of hormones in response to damage isn't to do with pain, it is to do with repair or similar.

Pain is a behavioural reinforcer which is used to help us (and other animals) learn. Plants cannot learn so plants don't feel pain.

Otherwise we're arguing semantics about the definition of pain.

Actually, it often preempts the damage, so it's to do with warding off predators, which seems like learning to me.

 

[jasoncyrus]

http://www.newstatesman.com/200408020017 and others. Also, Wikipedia... *disdainful look*

Release of hormones in response to damage isn't to do with pain, it is to do with repair or similar.

Pain is a behavioural reinforcer which is used to help us (and other animals) learn. Plants cannot learn so plants don't feel pain.

Otherwise we're arguing semantics about the definition of pain.

You dont know that...you just can't hear their screams...

EDIT: Also dog arn't eaten because we've got a better use for them as pets, companions, hunters, helpers, etc etc.

 

[CAPPINJACK]

You see Loads of people prancing about forums and such making a big uproar about the fact t hat a kitten was burnt in an oven or such.as much as i hate the idea of this, my complaint is the fact that it is these people who eat truckloads of chicken everyday...

Honestly? I don't really give a shit that a cat was microwaved. Big deal. I'd eat cat (if it were packaged, come from a regulated industry, and safe), hell I probably have already and not realized it.

Their most common argument is that "Cats are not meant for eating".so tell me this...how come cats are in this category but cows, pigs and chickens are not??they eat dogs in Thailand, and i dont see a lot of uproar on this...kids in American neighborhoods beat up little kittens in a bag pretty often i hear form my cousin there, no uproar.

The only reason I can think of is that it's a pretty cruel way to kill something. Far more cruel than most methods of killing livestock. But hey, don't take my word for it. Try both methods on yourself and tell me which one hurts more.

I'm of the opinion that all animals are food. Just because it's cute doesn't make it exempt, and this is why people are outraged. If you can't cuddle it, you can't love it. Which is utterly stupid

for those who dont know, a cow is killed by running a huge nail through its skull??and a chicken is killed by cutting its throat and letting it bleed to its death??wheres the "Humanity" in that??If you dont believe me check out the wiki on slaughterhouses :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse#Process

Yes, Wikipedia is the be-all and end-all of knowledge on this planet. Good job detective. If this is your evidence against eating meat then you might as well shut the fuck up and leave.

Also when vegetarian food is in plenty,and tastes like chicken if prepared the right way, i dont get why more people arnt turning veg...please non veggies, enlighten me.

Why should we enlighten you? I don't care that you're a vegetarian. Why do you care if I prefer meat? It's really none of your goddamn business. This is why a lot of people don't like vegetarians. The whole "holier-than-thou" thing. I'm sorry that your advanced morality hasn't given you the insight to glean the inner workings of the simple caveman meat eaters. You'll just have to live with the mystery.

 

[Lexodus]

If it ain't sentient or on par with our intellectual capabilities, it's good to eat in my opinion. Besides, give it a century and we'll be growing meat. JUST the muscles (I think that's the part we eat, I'm not familiar with the trade of the Butcher), meaning even the Vegetarians shouldn't have a problem eating what what has been an important part of our diet historically, meat.

Dude who cares if its sentient or on par with us?

Tasty meat is tasty meat. Lower IQ should have nothing to do with it. I don't see why you'd feel guilty if it understood what was happening to it.

So... you'd be okay with Cannibalism?

Sure. Anyone got a good recipe for long pork handy?