Poll: Obama Shutting Down Guantanamo Bay. Good or Bad?

[Ron]

I can understand why he would do this but is it really a good idea? I mean we gain very useful information from torturing prisoners that save American lives. People can make the argument about it being a violation of the Constitution. But they are not American citizens so should they have those right? So is it a good idea? or a bad one?

Just wanted to ask all of y'all intelligent people out there.

Are you taking the piss or what ? It's a rather funny post but I've got this scary idea that you are serious. Then again, after the "But they are not American citizens so should they have those right" part I'm almost sure you are joking. Or incredibly dumb. No, that's not fair, maybe just a little, how do you call it in the land of the free ?, brainwashed.

 

[Lord_Ascendant]

well, they will be moving those prisoners into my old volcano base. My base is an 17 Septillion Dollar Battle Station

 

[Avatar Roku]

i dont see the point in closing guantanamo if the terrorists are willing to blow everyone up then they deserve to be tortured and even if they dont get any info out of them its still going to be fun

But they're not all terrorists. Many were just grabbed on suspicions. Even if they were all terrorists, they're still humans. And America's agreed to the Geneva Conventions, so torture against anyone is bad.

By the way, that last part sounded a bit sadistic.

 

[Fingolfin High-King of the Noldor]

I beleive that somewhere in the Bill of Rights it says something about cruel and unusual punishment?
Torture IS cruel and unusual punishment.

But isn't the Constitution only for American citizens?

 

[Siris]

I believe it is a good idea. Gitmo is against what America stands for in terms of human rights. As it says for many GWB bumper stickers, The End of an Error

 

[Baneat]

Don't expect any mercy from enemies if you don't treat them right. People may say they did the same, but a teacher doesn't take lessons from the pupil.

 

[Cheesus333]

Depends on how you look at it...

Bad idea... we're letting enemy combatants to be moved to places where they don't belong and giving them Constitutional rights as if they were U.S. born citizens. Honestly, they're not American citizens so the Constitution doesn't cover them.

Good... Well, they're moving them into jails with American criminals... many of whom will remember 9/11 better than most people and will save us money by killing the newly moved in people and sparing our beloved government the disgrace of dirtying it's hands. Chow line anyone?

That's right, we non-Americans look upon you Gods with your fancy 'basic human rights' and such. How can you say that just because the Constitution doesn't cover them then they don't have the same rights? They're living, breathing bleeding people, and they deserve to be treated with respect - or at least mercy.

 

[Talisker]

It's a good idea. So long as they don't just start the whole thing up somewhere else.

I understand all of you bleeding hearts out there who are against torture, but really, how many people have died from, let's say, waterboarding? Zero. It is just a sensation of drowning and it gives the U.S. vital info so that the next thing, like Mt. Rushmore, won't be reduced to cinders. Without Guantanamo, how many buildings, monuments, and innocents lives would be lost? Over 3000 terrorist attempts have been thwarted by the Guantanamo officials using torture techniques in order to keep the U.S safe. Also, where are you going to put all of these people?!

In response to the whole waterboarding = fine and dandy argument. I took part in an experiment that a friend was doing at university into what this does to people and I can assure you that enough goes at this you could have gotten me to confess to being Adolf Hitler.

Reliable information from torture subjects, not likely.

 

[MelziGurl]

You can't have a set of rules for one person and another for everyone else. Torture isn't the answer to getting what you want, just another reason to try to justify cruelty towards another human.

 

[Avatar Roku]

I beleive that somewhere in the Bill of Rights it says something about cruel and unusual punishment?
Torture IS cruel and unusual punishment.

But isn't the Constitution only for American citizens?

No, it governs what we can do, not who we do it to. And even if it was, the Geneva Convention isn't.

 

[Hallow'sEve]

20 bucks says there's another one where they keep even MORE secret prisioners. They just don't tell us.

 

[TrevorOfCrete]

lets protect freedom by denying the most fundamental rights of others. The American sterotype goal of global terrorists was achieved by there own goverment.

 

[Booze Zombie]

I understand all of you bleeding hearts out there who are against torture, but really, how many people have died from, let's say, waterboarding? Zero. It is just a sensation of drowning and it gives the U.S. vital info so that the next thing, like Mt. Rushmore, won't be reduced to cinders. Without Guantanamo, how many buildings, monuments, and innocents lives would be lost? Over 3000 terrorist attempts have been thwarted by the Guantanamo officials using torture techniques in order to keep the U.S safe. Also, where are you going to put all of these people?!

In a jail? Like normal criminals?

 

[maddawg IAJI]

come on think about this. i would rather have our most dangerous crimnals in a jail outside of the country then in here. its like alcatraz. if they escape where are they going to go there on an island.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

I can't help but think as terrorists tend to be of the mindset of being happy to die or kill themselves for their cause, that the main people who'll confess under torture will be the innocent ones.

Of course that's a pretty vague opinion based on not knowing much about the place, but hey this is the internet, where that counts as informed research!

 

[TrevorOfCrete]

come on think about this. i would rather have our most dangerous crimnals in a jail outside of the country then in here. its like alcatraz. if they escape where are they going to go there on an island.

There not criminals, none of them have had anything close to a proper trial. Thats the laws and basic foundations of THE country which is running this place.