Poll: Poll: Shall we allow deadly force on a burgular?

[cuddly_tomato]

If one happens to be poor and down on their luck, there happens to be quite a few legal alternatives to burglary.

Those are being taken away bit by bit. In the UK for instance, anyone out of work for six months or more gets to go on the New Deal program - effectively forcing them to work without any wages. If they refuse they get nothing at all for six months.

 

[Thaius]

Maybe not immediately, but especially if they attack you I think it's fine. We have a right to protect ourselves and our property.

 

[jpoon]

If one happens to be poor and down on their luck, there happens to be quite a few legal alternatives to burglary.

Those are being taken away bit by bit. In the UK for instance, anyone out of work for six months or more gets to go on the New Deal program - effectively forcing them to work without any wages. If they refuse they get nothing at all for six months.

It must really suck to be one of the downtrodden in a damn near socialist nation, of course, now that I say that I think of how the States are damn near socialist as well. Surely they get something out of it for doing work? How can they not pay them? This kind of mindset is just wrong!

 

[Artemis923]

Anyone breaking into my place gets a battle-ready Icingdeath across the throat.

Shoot center mass to stop the threat.

If they die... they die. But you don't shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the threat.

Wrong. Shoot to kill, or don't shoot at all.

 

[Katherine Kerensky]

It's called self defense. Simple.

And besides, once someone trespasses onto your property they relinquish all of thier rights to sue for anythign dome to them. If you are shot because you broke into someone's house, that is your own damn fault.

sorry, reminded me of something...
Burglar attempted to break into a shop by hopping over the security fence. one of those spiked ones. he cut himself and sued the owner of the shop. and got the money. [iEven though he was trying to break in to STEAL things[/i].
what a fucked-up place this world can be.

OP: If someone tries to break in, KILL THEM ALL!
I had something else to type, probably 50% witty, 50% sensible, and 50% something else, but I forgot. My memory sucks.

 

[G1eet]

If one happens to be poor and down on their luck, there happens to be quite a few legal alternatives to burglary.

Those are being taken away bit by bit. In the UK for instance, anyone out of work for six months or more gets to go on the New Deal program - effectively forcing them to work without any wages. If they refuse they get nothing at all for six months.

Makes me almost glad that there's a welfare system in America... regardless of how corrupt many of its recipients are (at least in my area).

 

[RetiarySword]

Not deadly force, but lethal force within reason. If you floor an intruder and they stay down, thats reasonable but still lethal force. If you continue to kick them until they bleed (If they are not already bleeding) or something then thats unnesasary.
If however, they pretend to be incapacitated and get back up, you should be within your rights to make sure they stay down the next time, but that doesn't mean cripple them.

 

[slopeslider]

I keep my airsoft KWA g18c under my pillow. If someone makes it up to my bedroom on the 3rd floor, they're getting 25 bb's to the face in 2.1 seconds. That should give me a fighting chance to subdue them, take their weapon, or Gouge their eyes so they cant effectively fight me. I pity the fool that breaks in once I've got my own place, and I can own a real firearm.
Castle doctrine FTW.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

If one happens to be poor and down on their luck, there happens to be quite a few legal alternatives to burglary.

Those are being taken away bit by bit. In the UK for instance, anyone out of work for six months or more gets to go on the New Deal program - effectively forcing them to work without any wages. If they refuse they get nothing at all for six months.

It must really suck to be one of the downtrodden in a damn near socialist nation. Surely they get something out of it for doing work? How can they not pay them? This kind of mindset is just wrong!

They get benefits. Sustinence payments. That's all.

Asking someone to work for nothing more than food is slavery as far as I am concerned.

 

[Artemis923]

Attacking them before they attack you I can understand but stabbing someone to death without any better reason other than them stealing something that can be replaced...no. What makes anyone a better person than those burglars if you murder them without good cause. And don't tell me stealing your stuff is good cause, it's a bullshit excuse.

For all you know, that guy that just broke in could be there to steal your stuff and kill you.

Would you seriously risk taking that split second to try to find out, at a risk to your own life?

 

[RnAoDm]

As a thief is something considered a criminal anyone that goes down that road should be prepared to face consequence. I'd say force to the point of death is unacceptable unless threatened in an equal way but using an objext to threaten or injure the thief should be allowed, doesn't hurt to be prepared in case they are expecting to kill. If a thief is unarmed with no real intention of a fight taking their life is a bit extreme of a consequence

 

[Lord Honk]

using lethal force should be the last resort. if the burglar levels a 12gauge at your head, yes, the police should shoot him, rather than have you die. i'd rather have a dead burglar than a dead civilian in my shop.

 

[jpoon]

I can guarantee that I won't take a single second to try to find out if they are going to kill me or not. If my family is involved the fucks that attempt to rob me are as good as dead, in fact, I will make sure they are dead. Only idiots think they can one on one debate a robber or attempt to go fisticuffs with someone who damn well is likely armed themselves.

 

[jpoon]

using lethal force should be the last resort. if the burglar levels a 12gauge at your head, yes, the police should shoot him, rather than have you die. i'd rather have a dead burglar than a dead civilian in my shop.

Too late for you, you didn't protect yourself so you just got shot in the head by a 12 gauge and your cat was stepped on 10 minutes before the cops even showed up. Had you been armed you would have had a chance at neutralizing the problem well before it resulted in your death.

 

[arc101]

I think it is perfectly fine. They're the scum trying to burgle you. You just act upon that scum. With something sharp. Or blunt, depending on your preference.

They're scum? SCUM? Excuse me, mister perfect, but no, they are not scum, they're trying to get by in some cases. Yes, some cases are pointless grabbing and nabbing to get object money, but others aren't So, scum? No, i think not

 

[Lamppenkeyboard]

Enough to stun or disable a burglar. If the burglar is armed with a lethal weapon, though, I think that striking with enough force to kill morally balances out.

 

[BeeRye]

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Gotta agree, it's one of the bigger jokes of our legal system. That and the tribunals that prosecute noone but cost the taxpayer millions -.-

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Attacking them before they attack you I can understand but stabbing someone to death without any better reason other than them stealing something that can be replaced...no. What makes anyone a better person than those burglars if you murder them without good cause. And don't tell me stealing your stuff is good cause, it's a bullshit excuse.

For all you know, that guy that just broke in could be there to steal your stuff and kill you.

Would you seriously risk taking that split second to try to find out, at a risk to your own life?

For all you know, the person walking along the street in your direction is a maniac with a gun in his pocket and is intending to kill you.

Are you seriously going to take the risk and find out, or would you rather just shoot him to be safe?

If you roll out of bed then you have to assume a certain risk of living. This is one of those risks.

 

[Artemis923]

Attacking them before they attack you I can understand but stabbing someone to death without any better reason other than them stealing something that can be replaced...no. What makes anyone a better person than those burglars if you murder them without good cause. And don't tell me stealing your stuff is good cause, it's a bullshit excuse.

For all you know, that guy that just broke in could be there to steal your stuff and kill you.

Would you seriously risk taking that split second to try to find out, at a risk to your own life?

For all you know, the person walking along the street in your direction is a maniac with a gun in his pocket and is intending to kill you.

Are you seriously going to take the risk and find out, or would you rather just shoot him to be safe?

If you roll out of bed then you have to assume a certain risk of living. This is one of those risks.

Bleh, seriously? How is walking down the street the same as someone breaking into your home?

Forget I said anything. I hate these stupid arguments. >.<

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Attacking them before they attack you I can understand but stabbing someone to death without any better reason other than them stealing something that can be replaced...no. What makes anyone a better person than those burglars if you murder them without good cause. And don't tell me stealing your stuff is good cause, it's a bullshit excuse.

For all you know, that guy that just broke in could be there to steal your stuff and kill you.

Would you seriously risk taking that split second to try to find out, at a risk to your own life?

For all you know, the person walking along the street in your direction is a maniac with a gun in his pocket and is intending to kill you.

Are you seriously going to take the risk and find out, or would you rather just shoot him to be safe?

If you roll out of bed then you have to assume a certain risk of living. This is one of those risks.

Bleh, seriously? How is walking down the street the same as someone breaking into your home?

Forget I said anything. I hate these stupid arguments. >.<

How is burgulary the same as attempted murder? Someone might well be in your house trying to steal your stuff, but that doesn't mean they intend to kill you does it?