Poll: Poll: Shall we allow deadly force on a burgular?

[Artemis923]

Attacking them before they attack you I can understand but stabbing someone to death without any better reason other than them stealing something that can be replaced...no. What makes anyone a better person than those burglars if you murder them without good cause. And don't tell me stealing your stuff is good cause, it's a bullshit excuse.

For all you know, that guy that just broke in could be there to steal your stuff and kill you.

Would you seriously risk taking that split second to try to find out, at a risk to your own life?

For all you know, the person walking along the street in your direction is a maniac with a gun in his pocket and is intending to kill you.

Are you seriously going to take the risk and find out, or would you rather just shoot him to be safe?

If you roll out of bed then you have to assume a certain risk of living. This is one of those risks.

Bleh, seriously? How is walking down the street the same as someone breaking into your home?

Forget I said anything. I hate these stupid arguments. >.<

How is burgulary the same as attempted murder? Someone might well be in your house trying to steal your stuff, but that doesn't mean they intend to kill you does it?

Whatever, d00d.

You go ahead and take that risk, if and when the time comes. I can guarentee you that I will not.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

go ahead and kill 'em. If they're in your house without permission, they're a danger.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Attacking them before they attack you I can understand but stabbing someone to death without any better reason other than them stealing something that can be replaced...no. What makes anyone a better person than those burglars if you murder them without good cause. And don't tell me stealing your stuff is good cause, it's a bullshit excuse.

For all you know, that guy that just broke in could be there to steal your stuff and kill you.

Would you seriously risk taking that split second to try to find out, at a risk to your own life?

For all you know, the person walking along the street in your direction is a maniac with a gun in his pocket and is intending to kill you.

Are you seriously going to take the risk and find out, or would you rather just shoot him to be safe?

If you roll out of bed then you have to assume a certain risk of living. This is one of those risks.

Really, you're going to act like someone walking down the street is the same level of danger as someone who just broke into your house? Seriously??? Think that one over for a little bit... I think you'll find there is not even a remotely similar level of danger in dealing with the two.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Attacking them before they attack you I can understand but stabbing someone to death without any better reason other than them stealing something that can be replaced...no. What makes anyone a better person than those burglars if you murder them without good cause. And don't tell me stealing your stuff is good cause, it's a bullshit excuse.

For all you know, that guy that just broke in could be there to steal your stuff and kill you.

Would you seriously risk taking that split second to try to find out, at a risk to your own life?

For all you know, the person walking along the street in your direction is a maniac with a gun in his pocket and is intending to kill you.

Are you seriously going to take the risk and find out, or would you rather just shoot him to be safe?

If you roll out of bed then you have to assume a certain risk of living. This is one of those risks.

Really, you're going to act like someone walking down the street is the same level of danger as someone who just broke into your house? Seriously??? Think that one over for a little bit...

Did I say "Someone walking down the street presents the same degree of danger as an intruder in your home"?

Let me go back and check...

No I said that "If you roll out of bed then you have to assume a certain risk of living".

The point is you don't know if the intruder would kill you or not, and to kill him "just in case" is cowardly (which people here are trying to pass off as courageous for some reason), and pretty naughty. If they come at you, THEN defend yourself. If they are struggling to get out of a window then let them go.

 

[FinalGamer]

Someone is illegaly in your house.


I'm sorry, but have the Law all forgotten this is actually a crime and it is our duty to our families and friends to protect our homes?

So yes, deadly force because in this day and age when people are crazy as hell over each other, burglars probably have their own weapons too and probably might kill you if they took the time to break into your house.

 

[Crimson Cade]

Aww, lookit the poor cwiminals. They just want a huuuug.

999999 out of 1000000 burglars are NOT gentlemen thieves that will make quirky British one-liners while twirling their mustache. They are either thugs, crackheads or worse.

Stop confusing these wastes of humanity to upstanding citizens. It is a spit in the face of every REAL victim out there.

 

[jpoon]

Attacking them before they attack you I can understand but stabbing someone to death without any better reason other than them stealing something that can be replaced...no. What makes anyone a better person than those burglars if you murder them without good cause. And don't tell me stealing your stuff is good cause, it's a bullshit excuse.

For all you know, that guy that just broke in could be there to steal your stuff and kill you.

Would you seriously risk taking that split second to try to find out, at a risk to your own life?

For all you know, the person walking along the street in your direction is a maniac with a gun in his pocket and is intending to kill you.

Are you seriously going to take the risk and find out, or would you rather just shoot him to be safe?

If you roll out of bed then you have to assume a certain risk of living. This is one of those risks.

Really, you're going to act like someone walking down the street is the same level of danger as someone who just broke into your house? Seriously??? Think that one over for a little bit...

Did I say "Someone walking down the street presents the same degree of danger as an intruder in your home"?

Let me go back and check...

No I said that "If you roll out of bed then you have to assume a certain risk of living".

The point is you don't know if the intruder would kill you or not, and to kill him "just in case" is cowardly (which people here are trying to pass off as courageous for some reason), and pretty naughty. If they come at you, THEN defend yourself. If they are struggling to get out of a window then let them go.

The way I see it don't even give them the chance to kill you or rob you, stop them before they can.

You'll end up dead with this thinking if a criminal ever decides to shake down your home. Feel sorry for weak minded individuals that won't protect themselves for fear offending somebody. All I can say is bring 'em on, I'll fucking slay a robber like he were Jack the fucking ripper.

 

[Serge A. Storms]

Someone breaking into your house is likely terrifying, especially if there's more than one burglar and you don't know if they're armed or if they're willing to kill. Blaming the owner for freaking out and killing them isn't going to prevent future incidents of a similar nature. I'm not going to high five the homeowner, but I would give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[ArcWinter]

Sure, the man was fine. You break the law, you face the consequences, especially the unofficial ones.

If you break into my house, you forfeit your right to be protected from my all-consuming rage. If I'm serious when I say get off my lawn, you had better not come in my house.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Attacking them before they attack you I can understand but stabbing someone to death without any better reason other than them stealing something that can be replaced...no. What makes anyone a better person than those burglars if you murder them without good cause. And don't tell me stealing your stuff is good cause, it's a bullshit excuse.

For all you know, that guy that just broke in could be there to steal your stuff and kill you.

Would you seriously risk taking that split second to try to find out, at a risk to your own life?

For all you know, the person walking along the street in your direction is a maniac with a gun in his pocket and is intending to kill you.

Are you seriously going to take the risk and find out, or would you rather just shoot him to be safe?

If you roll out of bed then you have to assume a certain risk of living. This is one of those risks.

Really, you're going to act like someone walking down the street is the same level of danger as someone who just broke into your house? Seriously??? Think that one over for a little bit...

Did I say "Someone walking down the street presents the same degree of danger as an intruder in your home"?

Let me go back and check...

No I said that "If you roll out of bed then you have to assume a certain risk of living".

The point is you don't know if the intruder would kill you or not, and to kill him "just in case" is cowardly (which people here are trying to pass off as courageous for some reason), and pretty naughty. If they come at you, THEN defend yourself. If they are struggling to get out of a window then let them go.

It they're leaving, sure let them go. Legally, we can't know if they were on their way out- so we have to give the person who's home was broken into the benefit of the doubt.

You didn't explicitly state that they had the same danger- but what you said implied it.

 

[Kajin]

Why kill them? Take a baseball bat to their shins and drag them downstairs before the police can be alerted to the domestic disturbance. Then proceed to teach this person exactly why it is not a good idea to break into your house.
/horrible joke

I'm not going to turn on the light and ask politely if an intruder in my home is merely here to relieve me of my television, my life, or both. Anyone who has ever been in this situation knows why this is not feasible. If I can't chase him off without injuring him then I will subdue him. If I can't subdue him or chase him off I will kill him.

If I can intimidate him enough to get him to leave, that's fine by me, but if he insists on staying and fighting I will do whatever it takes to ensure my safety.
/on topic

 

[cuddly_tomato]

It they're leaving, sure let them go. Legally, we can't know if they were on their way out- so we have to give the person who's home was broken into the benefit of the doubt.

Not really. They have killed, the only assessment that needs to be made is whether their actions were reasonable. The police and CPS have looked at this case and obviously decided that there is sufficient evidence to warrant him facing a trial. At that trial he will be heard by a jury of 12 people, just like you and I, who will decide whether or not he was being reasonable.

You didn't explicitly state that they had the same danger- but what you said implied it.

Actually I didn't if you look at it from the context of the post I quoted. Quite simply, burglary is a hell of a lot different than murder. It takes a lot more to kill another human being than it does to break into a place and swipe whatever is shiney. The assumption that a burglar will do you harm if you don't slaughter him is a complete non sequitur.

 

[EMFCRACKSHOT]

Seems to me, the moment you enter anyones property uninvited you lose any rights to your life. If some fucker thinks he can come into my house and take my things without paying the ultimate price then they are surely retarded. You break into my house, i kill you. Simple as that.

 

[Agema]

I think all these people who want a free hand to kill burglars irrespective of whether they pose a threat should go ahead.

Firstly, it decreases the number of burglars. Secondly, the uncivilised, violent-minded citizens who pose a potential threat to society can get locked away for excessive use of force.

It's a double win for everyone not involved.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

This is ridiculous; of course deadly force should be permitted. How many times have burglars rushed into a person's home only to torment, slaughter them or in horrific scenarios, rape the women that happen to be dwelling within the home? You cannot contemplate the intentions of these individuals. They make be your everyday trash that desires money for drugs or they may be hardened criminals with no qualm about murdering you. In actuality they could have already served time for such a crime previously.

The moment you trespass upon my priority, breaking into my home, you forfeit any right to the notion your life had value and recognize that I will fire a loaded shotgun and my shot will be with intent to kill. You prefer to live? Do not break into my house.

 

[jpoon]

I think all these people who want a free hand to kill burglars irrespective of whether they pose a threat should go ahead.

Firstly, it decreases the number of burglars. Secondly, the uncivilised, violent-minded citizens who pose a potential threat to society can get locked away for excessive use of force.

It's a double win for everyone not involved.

Actually the people who got robbed will likely be released being that the jury typically does not side with the person who attempted to rob/kill them, at least in the US they do. I would easily and willingly shoot the fuck out of an individual that might be trying to kill me in my own home, in the dark, at night. You would just let him rape, maim, kill or rob you and your family? This isn't about "uncivilized, violent-minded citizens" it's about fucking protecting yourself and apparently many are too scared to do it now days. I am not scared to protect myself and history has shown that some of the most civilized and caring people are willing to protect the ones they love in a life ending situation.

 

[Agema]

I think all these people who want a free hand to kill burglars irrespective of whether they pose a threat should go ahead.

Firstly, it decreases the number of burglars. Secondly, the uncivilised, violent-minded citizens who pose a potential threat to society can get locked away for excessive use of force.

It's a double win for everyone not involved.

Actually the people who got robbed will likely be released being that the jury typically does not side with the person who attempted to rob/kill them. I would easily and willingly shoot the fuck out of an individual that might be trying to kill me in my own home, in the dark, at night. You would just let him rape, maim, kill or rob you and your family? This isn't about "uncivilized, violent-minded citizens" it's about fucking protecting yourself and apparently many are too scared to do it now days. I am not scared to protect myself and history has shown that some of the most civilized and caring people are willing to protect the ones they love in a life ending situation.

Note I said "irrespective of whether they pose a threat", which you conveniently ignored, so keen were you to expound on the joys of pumping lead into strangers.

Your average burglar is a burglar, and just there for your family silverware, not to molest your kid and rape your wife. Sure, he attacks you or your family, you fight to defend yourself with as much force as is reasonable. Otherwise, threaten him to buzz off or to stand still whilst you call the police, or any other manner of other things that don't involve instant warfare.

When most people think about civilised values, a philosophy of violence as a last resort is pretty much right up there at the top.

 

[llew]

well my moto is: kill or be killed. but if someone burgles your house you should be allowed to fend them off and if they show any signs of wantin you dead then you should be allowed to kill them as it would be instinct to survive and in almost all cases the only way to survive is to kill. and they asked to be there you didnt ask for them to be there so you could hurt them so its not your fault. simple as that. when i say the only way to survive is to kill i mean if someone was to say, pull a knife on you or a gun you know...

 

[cuddly_tomato]

I think all these people who want a free hand to kill burglars irrespective of whether they pose a threat should go ahead.

Firstly, it decreases the number of burglars. Secondly, the uncivilised, violent-minded citizens who pose a potential threat to society can get locked away for excessive use of force.

It's a double win for everyone not involved.

Actually the people who got robbed will likely be released being that the jury typically does not side with the person who attempted to rob/kill them. I would easily and willingly shoot the fuck out of an individual that might be trying to kill me in my own home, in the dark, at night. You would just let him rape, maim, kill or rob you and your family? This isn't about "uncivilized, violent-minded citizens" it's about fucking protecting yourself and apparently many are too scared to do it now days. I am not scared to protect myself and history has shown that some of the most civilized and caring people are willing to protect the ones they love in a life ending situation.

Note I said "irrespective of whether they pose a threat", which you conveniently ignored, so keen were you to expound on the joys of pumping lead into strangers.

Your average burglar is a burglar, and just there for your family silverware, not to molest your kid and rape your wife. Sure, he attacks you or your family, you fight to defend yourself with as much force as is reasonable. Otherwise, threaten him to buzz off or to stand still whilst you call the police, or any other manner of other things that don't involve instant warfare.

When most people think about civilised values, a philosophy of violence as a last resort is pretty much right up there at the top.

Very well said.

The notion that anyone who breaks the law immediately forefits their right to life is bizarre.

 

[jpoon]

I think all these people who want a free hand to kill burglars irrespective of whether they pose a threat should go ahead.

Firstly, it decreases the number of burglars. Secondly, the uncivilised, violent-minded citizens who pose a potential threat to society can get locked away for excessive use of force.

It's a double win for everyone not involved.

Actually the people who got robbed will likely be released being that the jury typically does not side with the person who attempted to rob/kill them. I would easily and willingly shoot the fuck out of an individual that might be trying to kill me in my own home, in the dark, at night. You would just let him rape, maim, kill or rob you and your family? This isn't about "uncivilized, violent-minded citizens" it's about fucking protecting yourself and apparently many are too scared to do it now days. I am not scared to protect myself and history has shown that some of the most civilized and caring people are willing to protect the ones they love in a life ending situation.

Note I said "irrespective of whether they pose a threat", which you conveniently ignored, so keen were you to expound on the joys of pumping lead into strangers.

Your average burglar is a burglar, and just there for your family silverware, not to molest your kid and rape your wife. Sure, he attacks you or your family, you fight to defend yourself with as much force as is reasonable. Otherwise, threaten him to buzz off or to stand still whilst you call the police, or any other manner of other things that don't involve instant warfare.

When most people think about civilised values, a philosophy of violence as a last resort is pretty much right up there at the top.

Very well said.

The notion that anyone who breaks the law immediately forefits their right to life is bizarre.

You two obviously have little idea what it is like to be in a life threatening situation such as this, your time to respond is almost non-existent and you think you will have time to ponder such actions? Criminals are criminals regardless if a simple robber or a murderer. You can't expect to know intent and you have every right to save your own life and remove theirs (in the states thankfully most of us have this right anyways). This is a harsh world and a philosophy of violence is the way of all criminals that go so far as to break into your home. I say don't give them the chance to enact their intents, nip it in the bud.

Simply put, if you plan on living a full life just don't rob my house. Or anyones home in Florida or Texas.