Calibanbutcher said:
NuclearShadow said:
There are extremists to any group of people feminism is not a exception to this. While all extremism should be exposed and opposed none of this is shocking at the least. I proudly call myself a feminist and I am a male, while I would never support the extreme end of it I see feminism as both a respect and equality issue. A real man has a respect for others therefor any real man must be a feminist.
Nickolai77 said:
I'm starting to think we should have our own sub-forum for discussing Feminism.
Or you know what?
Hmmm discussion and support of women's rights or the life of a single common baby animal.
I think women are more valuable than a cat. Things like this are a hot topic because they need to be discussed. This is something that has to happen gender equality and mistreatment issues are a real thing and are still common to this day. The only way it will ever change is if it gathers wide and constant attention. This is something all people should be exposed to and not hidden and tucked away.
This is something that doesn't just effect just women but all of us including you. So just try to bear with it. If you have any doubts that these topics need to exist here go ahead and go to the comments regarding the sexual assault that took place at the PAX minecraft party. The Escapist is no miracle exception.
How is discussing the same topic over and over and over and over and over and over and over again on the "off-topic" forums attached to a site dedicated to video-gaming "supporting women's rights"?
How?
By spreading awareness?
Nope, the news section does that already.
By convincing others to "see the light", aka agreeing with "your" take on things ?
[sub][sub]"your" being used as a placeholder for "everyone arguing in such threads[/sub][/sub]
Anyone truly believe that arguing over the internet will ever change someone's mind?
So, I would rather save a few kittens by NOT arguing about feminism on the escapist, whilst leaving the feminism discussions to the rest of the internet, where I am quite sure many forums dedicated to sexism and the fight against it already exist.
I fail to see your objection on being in off-topic, this thread certainly wouldn't be worthy of falling under news nor should the discussion be limited to news worthy events.
And yes, whether you realize it or not, or perhaps refuse to accept it or not it does create awareness. Also I find no wrong in trying to send a message to others on what I believe to be right when the goal is to aid others and harm none.
While changing a persons views is hard it isn't impossible. As I grow older I still find myself evolving over issues and have changed my positions on things over time. These very forums have actually witnessed myself changing my position on a certain subject and while the discussion itself wasn't a main drive it certainly was a minor one that aided opening up the gate-way of thinking about the subject. I will never be a perfect man but I do wish to better myself and I cannot do that if I make all my behaviors and stances on issues ironclad.
But aiming at those who are ironclad isn't the goal anyways. To win over those who are undecided or young minds who need to be put on the right path. Take America and racism as a great example of this. While racism is still very present it looks pathetic compared to the terrible past and the actions that were common place. This isn't because the majority saw the light suddenly but rather people age out and die. Entire generations go away and this leaves opportunity for progress within the next. This is how society evolves over time on issues and why we often find ourselves still tackling what generations before us were.
The aim should focus on young males to sway them towards the path of respecting women and young females to teach them to NEVER see themselves as less than a man or to endure being treated like such. If you think such a thing cannot be done online you would be wrong.
I met a 13 year old kid who happened to stumble into one of my clan's servers and right away he goes straight to harassing and saying the typical rhetoric to one of our female members.
Not the stuff boys stupidly do at that age either but the stuff that is learned and passed down. Instead of banning the kid I decided to step in and talk to him, which of course lead to unpleasantry at first. But in the end I convinced him to talk to me more and we did, I shared my views and he began evolve his behavior and his views. I also learned that he was extremely disrespectful to his mother who was the single parent in his life and that changed too. He is now 19 year old a man in the US Army, respects women and is a fine example of what a man should be. I still talk and game with him to this day.
I do not take credit for his progress but I did point him in the right direction and tell him why I believe it is such and he did the rest. We should not shirk our duty as adults in guiding the youth onto a better path no matter where the opportunity arises.
