Poll: So I found this "feminist" site

[IamLEAM1983]

So - I'm a carnivore and a necrophile?

Well, I do eat red meat, so they're at least 50% right. Still not even remotely insulted. This feels more like angry baboons in estrus flinging poo in my direction while a plexiglas screen prevents anything from reaching me.

I can just sit there and enjoy the screeches and the hoots, safe in the knowledge that I'm friends with some actually worthwhile women - some of which are decent feminists, as well.

I mean, my parents were raised in a mentality where cultural and gender-based submission was the Church-appointed norm. That was Quebec before the sixties. Then the sixties rolled around and, well, holy shit did things change for the better. The clergy got practically kicked out of the province, women went from being walking birthing tanks to some of our best business-owners, families dwindled in size and this left more time for every child to really get to *know* his parents; the whole problem of absent fathers and doting mothers turned into a relic of the past...

So, yeah. I don't know where these poor, deluded girls get their info, but we treat our women with the respect and equality they deserve, here. Sure, you'll always find the occasional irredeemable jerk who actually thinks he has the God-given right to stick his schlong in anything that moves, but these types of guys are generally living fossils anyway.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

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This site isn't feminist, feminists strive for equality between men and women. This is just some batshit crazy person.

That's a cool no-true-scotman fallacy you have there.

We're on Third Wave now. Third Wave feminism embraces sexuality (rather like First Wave - and remember, First Wave feminism is the feminism that helped to create Playboy magazine and James Bond).

Please elaborate how first wave feminism lead to James Bond and Playboy.

Second Wave is a bunch of old women bitching - it isn't real feminism.

Oh look, more no-true-scotman fallacies!

 

[Nickolai77]

There are extremists to any group of people feminism is not a exception to this. While all extremism should be exposed and opposed none of this is shocking at the least. I proudly call myself a feminist and I am a male, while I would never support the extreme end of it I see feminism as both a respect and equality issue. A real man has a respect for others therefor any real man must be a feminist.

I'm starting to think we should have our own sub-forum for discussing Feminism.

Or you know what?

Hmmm discussion and support of women's rights or the life of a single common baby animal.
I think women are more valuable than a cat. Things like this are a hot topic because they need to be discussed. This is something that has to happen gender equality and mistreatment issues are a real thing and are still common to this day. The only way it will ever change is if it gathers wide and constant attention. This is something all people should be exposed to and not hidden and tucked away.

This is something that doesn't just effect just women but all of us including you. So just try to bear with it. If you have any doubts that these topics need to exist here go ahead and go to the comments regarding the sexual assault that took place at the PAX minecraft party. The Escapist is no miracle exception.

Oh i agree with you that feminism needs to be talked about, like any civil rights issue. I do however find the sheer volume of threads about Feminism in Off Topic a bit tiresome, hence my image macro.

 

[Calibanbutcher]

There are extremists to any group of people feminism is not a exception to this. While all extremism should be exposed and opposed none of this is shocking at the least. I proudly call myself a feminist and I am a male, while I would never support the extreme end of it I see feminism as both a respect and equality issue. A real man has a respect for others therefor any real man must be a feminist.

I'm starting to think we should have our own sub-forum for discussing Feminism.

Or you know what?

Hmmm discussion and support of women's rights or the life of a single common baby animal.
I think women are more valuable than a cat. Things like this are a hot topic because they need to be discussed. This is something that has to happen gender equality and mistreatment issues are a real thing and are still common to this day. The only way it will ever change is if it gathers wide and constant attention. This is something all people should be exposed to and not hidden and tucked away.

This is something that doesn't just effect just women but all of us including you. So just try to bear with it. If you have any doubts that these topics need to exist here go ahead and go to the comments regarding the sexual assault that took place at the PAX minecraft party. The Escapist is no miracle exception.

How is discussing the same topic over and over and over and over and over and over and over again on the "off-topic" forums attached to a site dedicated to video-gaming "supporting women's rights"?
How?
By spreading awareness?
Nope, the news section does that already.
By convincing others to "see the light", aka agreeing with "your" take on things ?
[sub][sub]"your" being used as a placeholder for "everyone arguing in such threads[/sub][/sub]
Anyone truly believe that arguing over the internet will ever change someone's mind?
So, I would rather save a few kittens by NOT arguing about feminism on the escapist, whilst leaving the feminism discussions to the rest of the internet, where I am quite sure many forums dedicated to sexism and the fight against it already exist.

 

[Stasisesque]

We're on Third Wave now. Third Wave feminism embraces sexuality (rather like First Wave - and remember, First Wave feminism is the feminism that helped to create Playboy magazine and James Bond).

Please elaborate how first wave feminism lead to James Bond and Playboy.

I still want to know the answer to this. Not so much Playboy, but I definitely want to know what part feminism played in Ian Fleming deciding to write the best spy novel ever (his words, not mine).

 

[Daystar Clarion]

There are extremists to any group of people feminism is not a exception to this. While all extremism should be exposed and opposed none of this is shocking at the least. I proudly call myself a feminist and I am a male, while I would never support the extreme end of it I see feminism as both a respect and equality issue. A real man has a respect for others therefor any real man must be a feminist.

I'm starting to think we should have our own sub-forum for discussing Feminism.

Or you know what?

Hmmm discussion and support of women's rights or the life of a single common baby animal.
I think women are more valuable than a cat. Things like this are a hot topic because they need to be discussed. This is something that has to happen gender equality and mistreatment issues are a real thing and are still common to this day. The only way it will ever change is if it gathers wide and constant attention. This is something all people should be exposed to and not hidden and tucked away.

This is something that doesn't just effect just women but all of us including you. So just try to bear with it. If you have any doubts that these topics need to exist here go ahead and go to the comments regarding the sexual assault that took place at the PAX minecraft party. The Escapist is no miracle exception.

How is discussing the same topic over and over and over and over and over and over and over again on the "off-topic" forums attached to a site dedicated to video-gaming "supporting women's rights"?
How?
By spreading awareness?
Nope, the news section does that already.
By convincing others to "see the light", aka agreeing with "your" take on things ?
[sub][sub]"your" being used as a placeholder for "everyone arguing in such threads[/sub][/sub]
Anyone truly believe that arguing over the internet will ever change someone's mind?
So, I would rather save a few kittens by NOT arguing about feminism on the escapist, whilst leaving the feminism discussions to the rest of the internet, where I am quite sure many forums dedicated to sexism and the fight against it already exist.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

You'd think after the eleventy billionth thread on the topic, people would have learned this

 

[Calibanbutcher]

There are extremists to any group of people feminism is not a exception to this. While all extremism should be exposed and opposed none of this is shocking at the least. I proudly call myself a feminist and I am a male, while I would never support the extreme end of it I see feminism as both a respect and equality issue. A real man has a respect for others therefor any real man must be a feminist.

I'm starting to think we should have our own sub-forum for discussing Feminism.

Or you know what?

Hmmm discussion and support of women's rights or the life of a single common baby animal.
I think women are more valuable than a cat. Things like this are a hot topic because they need to be discussed. This is something that has to happen gender equality and mistreatment issues are a real thing and are still common to this day. The only way it will ever change is if it gathers wide and constant attention. This is something all people should be exposed to and not hidden and tucked away.

This is something that doesn't just effect just women but all of us including you. So just try to bear with it. If you have any doubts that these topics need to exist here go ahead and go to the comments regarding the sexual assault that took place at the PAX minecraft party. The Escapist is no miracle exception.

How is discussing the same topic over and over and over and over and over and over and over again on the "off-topic" forums attached to a site dedicated to video-gaming "supporting women's rights"?
How?
By spreading awareness?
Nope, the news section does that already.
By convincing others to "see the light", aka agreeing with "your" take on things ?
[sub][sub]"your" being used as a placeholder for "everyone arguing in such threads[/sub][/sub]
Anyone truly believe that arguing over the internet will ever change someone's mind?
So, I would rather save a few kittens by NOT arguing about feminism on the escapist, whilst leaving the feminism discussions to the rest of the internet, where I am quite sure many forums dedicated to sexism and the fight against it already exist.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

You'd think after the eleventy billionth thread on the topic, people would have learned this

Ah, a fellow fan of Einstein I see.

 

[verdant monkai]

Mind control through blowjobs! what will they think of next?

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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It isn't a 'No true Scotsman fallacy' The thing is this person says they are a feminist but they aren't, look at Stalin he said he was a communist but he wasn't, he was a dictator. It was like a someone saying it they are a banana. They may think they are a banana but they are clearly not a fucking banana however much they may claim to be.

In the Scotsman example the person is from Aberdeen, that's an indisputable fact, but in this case this person may say they are a feminist but since none of their views are actually feminist they cannot be categorized as such.

 

[Calibanbutcher]

There are extremists to any group of people feminism is not a exception to this. While all extremism should be exposed and opposed none of this is shocking at the least. I proudly call myself a feminist and I am a male, while I would never support the extreme end of it I see feminism as both a respect and equality issue. A real man has a respect for others therefor any real man must be a feminist.

I'm starting to think we should have our own sub-forum for discussing Feminism.

Or you know what?

Hmmm discussion and support of women's rights or the life of a single common baby animal.
I think women are more valuable than a cat. Things like this are a hot topic because they need to be discussed. This is something that has to happen gender equality and mistreatment issues are a real thing and are still common to this day. The only way it will ever change is if it gathers wide and constant attention. This is something all people should be exposed to and not hidden and tucked away.

This is something that doesn't just effect just women but all of us including you. So just try to bear with it. If you have any doubts that these topics need to exist here go ahead and go to the comments regarding the sexual assault that took place at the PAX minecraft party. The Escapist is no miracle exception.

How is discussing the same topic over and over and over and over and over and over and over again on the "off-topic" forums attached to a site dedicated to video-gaming "supporting women's rights"?
How?
By spreading awareness?
Nope, the news section does that already.
By convincing others to "see the light", aka agreeing with "your" take on things ?
[sub][sub]"your" being used as a placeholder for "everyone arguing in such threads[/sub][/sub]
Anyone truly believe that arguing over the internet will ever change someone's mind?
So, I would rather save a few kittens by NOT arguing about feminism on the escapist, whilst leaving the feminism discussions to the rest of the internet, where I am quite sure many forums dedicated to sexism and the fight against it already exist.

I fail to see your objection on being in off-topic, this thread certainly wouldn't be worthy of falling under news nor should the discussion be limited to news worthy events.
And yes, whether you realize it or not, or perhaps refuse to accept it or not it does create awareness. Also I find no wrong in trying to send a message to others on what I believe to be right when the goal is to aid others and harm none.

While changing a persons views is hard it isn't impossible. As I grow older I still find myself evolving over issues and have changed my positions on things over time. These very forums have actually witnessed myself changing my position on a certain subject and while the discussion itself wasn't a main drive it certainly was a minor one that aided opening up the gate-way of thinking about the subject. I will never be a perfect man but I do wish to better myself and I cannot do that if I make all my behaviors and stances on issues ironclad.

But aiming at those who are ironclad isn't the goal anyways. To win over those who are undecided or young minds who need to be put on the right path. Take America and racism as a great example of this. While racism is still very present it looks pathetic compared to the terrible past and the actions that were common place. This isn't because the majority saw the light suddenly but rather people age out and die. Entire generations go away and this leaves opportunity for progress within the next. This is how society evolves over time on issues and why we often find ourselves still tackling what generations before us were.

The aim should focus on young males to sway them towards the path of respecting women and young females to teach them to NEVER see themselves as less than a man or to endure being treated like such. If you think such a thing cannot be done online you would be wrong.
I met a 13 year old kid who happened to stumble into one of my clan's servers and right away he goes straight to harassing and saying the typical rhetoric to one of our female members.
Not the stuff boys stupidly do at that age either but the stuff that is learned and passed down. Instead of banning the kid I decided to step in and talk to him, which of course lead to unpleasantry at first. But in the end I convinced him to talk to me more and we did, I shared my views and he began evolve his behavior and his views. I also learned that he was extremely disrespectful to his mother who was the single parent in his life and that changed too. He is now 19 year old a man in the US Army, respects women and is a fine example of what a man should be. I still talk and game with him to this day.

I do not take credit for his progress but I did point him in the right direction and tell him why I believe it is such and he did the rest. We should not shirk our duty as adults in guiding the youth onto a better path no matter where the opportunity arises.

Feminism is not a topic for the "Off-topic" board.
It belongs with religion and politcs, since it is primarily a political issue.

And I still stand by my point, that this board has seen enough "feminism" topics already.

There were 3 topics concerning feminism/sexism/gender issues on the front page of the off-topics board just now, and in the news section there is another one being advertised to me, as is in the most commented section, plus there is ANOTHER one in the gaming forum.


yes feminism is important.
yes we need to reach the youth, but NOT BY SPAMMING THIS BOARD WITH MORE FEMINISM THREADS EACH AND EVERY DAY, but by educating them IN REAL LIFE.

you managed to change one guy one-on-omn. And kudos to you for doing so, I appreciate what you did.
But I still stand-by what I said:
On an internet forum with communications taking place in the form of anonymous messages, you will not sway a single mind, no matter how eloquent and thoughtful your posts are.

 

[Lt._nefarious]

... *sigh*...

This seems like the point where certain peeps on that site should take a step back from the computer, grab a dictionary and look up feminism...

 

[el_kabong]

I think it's the penis.

The penis makes me think dark thoughts.

It makes me do bad things.

The Penis Is Evil. The Gun Is Good.

Could've done without ever thinking of that movie again...so...thanks for prompting that memory...

OT: I really only wanted to comment on the Zardoz thing. Any radical movement or culture is inherently incorrect because they are unwilling to look at the real world, which doesn't exist in black and white, but is a very gray place.

 

[axlryder]

The article you linked actually makes a somewhat understandably reached point if we're talking about motivations behind BDSM (a similar point to the one I'd concluded some time ago regarding both genders). I'm not saying it's necessarily based in reality, or, if it is, what percent of BDSMers it would be applicable to. I can understand where the article is coming from, though. As to the other stuff. Whatever you say, crazy misandrist lady.

 

[axlryder]

Mind control through blowjobs! what will they think of next?

I'm guessing the phrasing was a bit misleading. It's more likely that they're saying blowjobs reinforce a cultural mentality of female submission and the act of doing it further instills that mentality in the participant.

I doubt they're actually saying penises have magical mind control powers that are activated via fellatio. Although, considering some of the "feminist" literature I've read, I wouldn't be to shocked if that actually was the case.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

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It isn't a 'No true Scotsman fallacy' The thing is this person says they are a feminist but they aren't, look at Stalin he said he was a communist but he wasn't, he was a dictator. It was like a someone saying it they are a banana. They may think they are a banana but they are clearly not a fucking banana however much they may claim to be.

In the Scotsman example the person is from Aberdeen, that's an indisputable fact, but in this case this person may say they are a feminist but since none of their views are actually feminist they cannot be categorized as such.

Just because her views don't match third wave feminism, doesn't mean they are not a feminist. Andrea Dworkin doesn't get barred from being a feminist just because she isn't third wave/mainstream.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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It isn't a 'No true Scotsman fallacy' The thing is this person says they are a feminist but they aren't, look at Stalin he said he was a communist but he wasn't, he was a dictator. It was like a someone saying it they are a banana. They may think they are a banana but they are clearly not a fucking banana however much they may claim to be.

In the Scotsman example the person is from Aberdeen, that's an indisputable fact, but in this case this person may say they are a feminist but since none of their views are actually feminist they cannot be categorized as such.

Just because her views don't match third wave feminism, doesn't mean they are not a feminist. Andrea Dworkin doesn't get barred from being a feminist just because she isn't third wave/mainstream.

Feminism = Wanting equality with men.

This person doesn't seem to ascribe to that so she's not a feminist. Full Stop.

 

[RESURRECTION21]

*Snip

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All I want to say is thank you to both of you for making this thread far more entertaining than I ever expected.

Should see the show we do on other fetishes. I run around half-naked wearing mostly latex and butter on my elbows while Boudica juggles prosthetic feet.

ok then? that is a new kind of kink i do not ever want to see

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

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It isn't a 'No true Scotsman fallacy' The thing is this person says they are a feminist but they aren't, look at Stalin he said he was a communist but he wasn't, he was a dictator. It was like a someone saying it they are a banana. They may think they are a banana but they are clearly not a fucking banana however much they may claim to be.

In the Scotsman example the person is from Aberdeen, that's an indisputable fact, but in this case this person may say they are a feminist but since none of their views are actually feminist they cannot be categorized as such.

Just because her views don't match third wave feminism, doesn't mean they are not a feminist. Andrea Dworkin doesn't get barred from being a feminist just because she isn't third wave/mainstream.

Feminism = Wanting equality with men.

This person doesn't seem to ascribe to that so she's not a feminist. Full Stop.

Feminism=Women's rights. You can stop trying to tell me that third wave feminism is the only "true" form of feminism anytime.

 

[Sunrider]

That sounds painful. I'm not sure abusing myself is worth the hypnotising powers that you get through the dark ritual of having a vajayjay.

I've said this before (maybe not on this site, I guess), but vajayjay is the best word in existence.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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That's not what feminism means. You aren't a feminist if you don't believe in equality...you are something else, supremacist maybe :/